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1 minute ago, ColtStrong2013 said:
"I do think there is a shot he's there at 15..."
Well, that really narrows down folks. I'm pretty confident I know who "he" is. I'll let you know late Thursday night, alright?
I don't think it really means anything.
I just think it is a good troll job by Chris.
It was a great cliff hanger, they could've been talking about some one that would clearly be there at #15 BTJ, Kool-Aid or something.
Doesn't have to be a guy we are thinking about trading up for.
Like I said I just think it was a great troll job by Ballard to leave it out there like that.
Provokes conversations.
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5 minutes ago, Superman said:
The 'I think there's a shot he's there at #15' comment? Yeah, you could be right. And in light of Ballard's 'we're gonna trade back' comment, that's interesting to me.
I find it interesting as well, because Ballard puts out there what he wants out there.
So what did that mean?
He literally it out like that on purpose.
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Ok when they were talking about strength and weight, I would say Worthy or Wiggins.
When they were talking about comparison is on the team and then compare player A vs player B in the draft. This is the "seeks contact" part as well.
I think that was about Murphy and Newton, obvious team comparison is Buckner.
Murphy 5 athlete, Newton a 3.
Just my thoughts
I thought the west Coast guy could of been pulling for Bullock
Should be fun. Under 72 hours now.
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1 minute ago, Solid84 said:
I was actually thinking a later round guy like Malik Mustapha. He’s a VERY down hill kinda guy. Wants to tackle.
I think they were talking about multiple people throughout?
IDK, thought I might of saw a couple Easter eggs in there going to have to go back and pay attention to everything.
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1 minute ago, bertjones7 said:
.could be Bryon Murphy DT.
Was my thoughts
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That cliff hangar at the end....
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Irsay refutes overdose rumors.
“It wasn’t an overdose,’’ Irsay said. “I don’t know why when you have your name in the paper in the past, people throw that out there quickly. I don’t pay attention to it all that much, but I don’t think it’s fair.’’
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25 minutes ago, Dobbinblitz said:
Yet another team looking to move up in round 1. If Ballard is intent on trading back, he should have plenty of suitors.
From the Athletic:
Chiefs eager to trade up in first round
KANSAS CITY, Mo. — His plan for the NFL Draft remains the same. Brett Veach, the Kansas City Chiefs’ general manager, wants to make another deal, a splashy trade that he hopes will allow the reigning champions to acquire another star player.
Don't want to drop down that far personally. Deal would probably have to look something like this though.
Chiefs rec: #15
Colts rec: #32, #64, #95 and 2025 2nd/ or 3rd
Would have #32, #46, #64, #82, #95, #117
And an extra 2025 day 2 pick
Not saying I would do it, just checking out what it might look.
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1 minute ago, DougDew said:
What is also plausible about it is that it sticks to Ballard's value system. Drafts a FS, ILB, DL and OL, and rolls another season with the young Corners and Receivers.
I don't know how the 4 picks would work out and not trying to crunsh your dream sceni here.
Bottom line is we would be getting (4) top 82 players to round out some of these positional groups out would be nice.
Trade to #22 and I think it would look like this
WR/CB
WR/CB/LB
CB/S/OL
CB/S/OL
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2 minutes ago, DougDew said:
Fantasy stuff, but plausible.
Not that far fetched.
Probably better odds of that happening, than most the stuff posted around here
I would say my odds as I sit here now.
60% trade back
35% stay put
05% trade up
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Just now, DougDew said:
Ok, my bad. Yeah, DeJean and pick 53 for our pick 15. Play him at FS. Could get Cooper at 46, EDGE Marshawn Kneeland at 53, then the OT with the 36 inch arms from Yale at 82....hopefully still there.
Philly could trade up for Mitchell. Probably a better pure corner than DeJean at 22.
Fantasy stuff, but plausible.
Also, Philly has some CB concerns with Rodgers not being reinstated.
Not sure when he will, but they have to go into the draft expecting him to miss some time this season.
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4 minutes ago, Dobbinblitz said:
Eagles:
Eagles General Manager Howie Roseman has been making phone calls to get an idea of what teams picking higher than the Eagles would be looking for to swap with Philadelphia, which has the 22nd overall pick. The Eagles own two second-round picks (their own and the Saints’).
Seems to be somewhat of a consensus out there that there are 18-21 or so 1st round caliber players in this year's draft.
Yeah and I think 22 might be as low as we want to go if we want a 1st round guy.
Our 21 isn't everyone's 21 so good chance a couple guys would be available that we had on our 21 at #22.
Of course we have the benefit of counting actual spots and prospects left when we are in the clock. So easy to know then.
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14 minutes ago, DougDew said:
BTW, I'm thinking DeJean at FS, reasoning for the trade down to 22 and picking up #83. He doesn't have to man up cover. Just be instinctive, quick, tackle. and make plays.
They don't have #83, they have #53.
#22 + #53 is pretty close to #15 value. We might need to add #117 to make it work. I could see that deal though, even more talk today about Eagles trying to move up.
That would give us:
#22,#46,#53,#82
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3 minutes ago, stitches said:
About why MHJ and not JJ... because the cost of MHJ is just the picks and rookie contract. The cost of JJ is the picks... +30M a year salary. You can do A TON with 23-24M(the difference in salary) a year for the next 4-5 years... and I think MHJ is very low risk prospect. In essence I think the difference in $$ is well worth taking the risk.
Yeah broke those numbers down in a different post. It's definitely a big part of the discussion. Like I said really just something to talk about, which led to couple additional questions.
I think JJ could be had for #15 and 2025 1st at the most.
MHJ going to cost #15, #46, 2025 1st + 4th and 2026 3rd
Save big money per year on unproven guy while giving up 2-3 additional premium picks, or pay big money but less capital for proven commodity.
Lot to think about with those 2 options.
End of day neither is going to happen.(More than likely)
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51 minutes ago, w87r said:
So would anyone do that if it was actually on the table? Not what we think Ballard would do.
3 minutes ago, stitches said:Ballard would not do this ...
And now there is a new question or 2 attached.
1. Would you be mad if they made the deal?
2. Would you rather just trade for JJ if going to put big trade package together?
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Seems as though Irsay won't be in the draft room this year.
https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/jim-irsay-wont-be-in-colts-draft-room
“The main thing is I’m just following my doctors’ orders and just making sure the bottom line is just to get back to 100% and to do the things they say,” Irsay said. “I’m just being a good patient and trying to make sure I can get back sooner than later. I’ll get back on the golf course sooner than later.”
Irsay said he’ll be connected to the draft room virtually, and that he plans to defer to G.M. Chris Ballard in any event.
“I’ve always kind of sat back and watched,” Irsay said.
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Just now, Defjamz26 said:
They’re probably out on the 1st round QBs. It makes sense though because since they cut Wilson, the dead cap hit makes it kind of hard to draft a rookie QB. You’d be paying Wilson and a rookie QB contract.
Could be a smoke screen to make teams think they won't be taking one early as well?
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3 minutes ago, Superman said:
I don't know... It's a late round pick swap, and the Jets are paying part of his salary.
Yeah, I agree, I was thinking it could potentially be a smoke screen to make the Raiders think or some other team think they won't be taking one.
Wasn't necessarily saying it took them out, but even if it is a smoke screen, I guess it still effects their 1st round draft plan.
It was poorly written by me.
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1 minute ago, ShuteAt168 said:
Mel Kiper just did a TV spot and he said this is the most fascinating, interesting, uncertain draft since he started in the business. Things could get crazy. I know a lot of people don’t like Kiper but I love how he brings the energy and passion.
It is, although I watched the '83 draft yesterday. That one gets me every time.
Elway drama, commissioner potential interference not letting Al Davis trade up to be able to trade with Colts for Elway. Fascinating stuff that year no doubt.
I don't know which way it will go this year, I do know that I think most people will end up happy with whichever WR we end up with in round 1-3. A lot of talk now about certain this certain that, but there are so many options that we should be happy with whichever it is.
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2 minutes ago, Superman said:
Not trying to derail your hypothetical, but when healthy, JJ averages 1,600 yards, 8 TDs, 15 yards/catch. MHJ is an unknown. We can project what we think he'll do, but no one is bust-proof. So while I'd cover my eyes and push the button on a big trade for a proven NFL performer, I couldn't bring myself to give up that kind of haul to draft a rookie WR, not knowing often WRs bust. That includes the difference in player salary.
Just sticking to your parameters, I can't do it. We know Ballard would never do it. If Ballard's body was suddenly taken over by an alien being and he made this trade, I'd shake my head at the cost/risk, and root for the player to be a huge success.
Yeah, it's all just for the sake of discussion.
I wouldn't do the trade either, if they did it I wouldn't be too upset, but still feel iffy about it. Story would be good.
I would also just rather trade less than that package for JJ.
#15 and 2025 2nd might bet that done.
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Zach Wilson just got traded to the Broncos probably effects their 1st Rd QB plans
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5 minutes ago, Superman said:
I would voice my disagreement clearly, and then hope the player we get turns into a multiple All Pro.
I'd rather send those picks to the Vikings for Justin Jefferson, and even then I'd be wincing at the cost. But that's a better way to get your game changing playmaker.
I agree , although that contract for JJ is going to be serious. I'm only assuming that move would only be for Harrison.
So that's the only part that makes it tough.
Harrison 4 yrs around $7-$8m per season + 5th year option probably at $30m by then($12m(ish) for 5yrs)
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Jefferson 5yr $160m deal(guestimate) $32m for 5 seasons
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6 minutes ago, Dobbinblitz said:
Would only so something like that to secure my next franchise QB. Beyond that, no.
5 minutes ago, Superman said:I would not. This isn't even a hard decision for me. I'd only give up that kind of haul for a high level QB prospect that checks all of my boxes.
I wouldn't either.
I do think it would take something along those lines though.
Let me ask it a different way.
Would you be upset if we actually pulled this trade off, even though it wasn't something you would of did?
What is Chris Ballard MOST LIKELY to do in the 1st Round of the 2024 NFL Draft?
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Yeah, I know you weren't thinking that, just some other post in the other thread were trying to say something like that.
I'm not reading too much into it, thought it was interesting at first, but just think it was a perfect way to leave it and Ballard nailed that.
Can get people talking on all sides of it.