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He's a cool owner, not one without his mistakes (who is?) but I digress.
I'm one of the few that thinks he should have canned Grigs/Pags way sooner (after the 2014 AFCCG) but I can't be too mad at where we are now. I just pray that Luck gets healthy, we fix the OL and defense sooner than later. I can see us being a perennial contender for years to come, but the pieces have to come together like the Eagles.
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Nelson. If we do trade the #3 pick to the Jets, I hope we get Wilkerson.
Sign Malcolm Butler in FA.
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Nice result. McDaniels' offense produced but the team still lost.
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19 hours ago, J@son said:
I never said other teams rely heavily on the RPO. Please don't assume things I never said.
What system specifically are you referring to that he allegedly hasn't shown any success outside of?
Then you shouldn't have brought up RPO usage with other teams. It's an unfair assumption to make that Foles would be successful with other teams just because they have random plays that utilize RPO.
Aside from having an elite infrastructure around him, Foles needs to be in a system that asks him to throw the ball quickly and not far down the field, pretty much a WCO. The Eagles offense was much different from when Wentz played to when Foles came in after his injury.
Unless Foles has played somewhere in a system other than the heavy WCO of Reid/Pederson, he has never been succesful in another system, which makes him a system QB.
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2 minutes ago, J@son said:
I brought Kaep up because he is a system QB. Foles is not. I can somewhat see why you would think that based on what you've seen of him so far in the NFL.
You keep saying he's a system QB because he needs the RPO...that's not a scheme or system, that's a particular concept that can be implemented regardless of scheme (Air Coryell, WC etc). And as I said, over 90% (if not 100%) of the teams in the league have RPO built into various plays in their playbook so if you say he requires RPO in order to succeed, then he could succeed with about 90% of the teams in the league if not more.
No, I say he's a system QB because he thrives in a particular system (of which the RPO is a part of) and hasn't shown success outside of it. Also, 90% of the league does not heavily rely on the RPO. The Chiefs, Bengals, and Panthers are examples of teams that implement the concept, but it is nowhere as common as you are making it seem.
Btw, I never said the Run-Pass option was a scheme. Please don't assume things I never said.
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11 minutes ago, J@son said:
I've seen enough of Foles to know he's not by any means a "system QB". He can play in any system so long as the coaching staff and playcalling are remotely competent. Colin Kaepernick was a "system QB".
All that said though, I do agree we don't need him here. If we were to find out Luck would never return to 100%, i would rather have Foles than Brisset, but as of now we certainly shouldn't give up the draft picks it will require to obtain Foles.
Foles is the textbook definition of a system QB; up to this point, all of his success has come from elements of one system. Kaep was another case of that, I don't know why you brought him up.
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3 minutes ago, J@son said:
I'm not going to explain anything until you do a little research on your own so you'll have some sort of clue what you're talking about. In what way did Foles suck with Andy Reid in KC? He started 1 game and played in 3. He completed over 65% of his passes with 3 TDs and 0 INTs. How is that sucking?
The only place he "sucked" was with StL and he's hardly the only QB to have sucked under that coaching staff. The team was a dumpster fire at the time.
Okay, "sucked" may be a bit of an exaggeration for his time in KC. He played three games, started one against the Jags. Didn't play all that well in his lone start, but okay he didn't suck there.
He definitely sucked in STL, we agree on that.
I don't think it would be a good idea to overpay Foles to backup Luck when he's only been great in a system tailored to him. He's a system QB, and we don't have a system yet. I think we should figure that out first.
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9 minutes ago, J@son said:
you do understand though that about 95% of the teams in the league have implemented RPO into their playbooks? Chip wasn't the first by any stretch. The pats have been doing it for quite a while.
Oh? So explain to me why Foles has sucked everywhere besides Philly? Even with Andy Reid in KC?
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6 minutes ago, J@son said:
then explain please how Foles was also successful in Chip kelly's system? He also played well in Andy Reid's system, though admittedly there likely isn't a whole lot of difference between Pederson's and Reid's.
The Run-Pass Option came from the Chip Kelly system. Pederson, being the good coach that he is, took that from Kelly's coaching and implemented that around Foles.
You pretty much answered your own question.
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Bad idea.
Philadelphia is the best possible team for him. He has a head coach that tailors the offense to his QB, a good OL, a good platoon of backs, playmaking WRs and a great defense.
He has definitely earned looks at being a QB1 but he's only good in that Philadelphia system. The Colts would be very dumb to have him back up Luck on a team that still has to build their foundation.
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I'm excited to hear about his progress.
There's been too many people hating on Luck, including some Colts fans. He's been counted out since the beginning of last season, I need to see my guy back and this team back at the top of the division.
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15 hours ago, JimJaime said:
In retrospect he made a lot of smart moves in Denver. Trading Cutler was brilliant as it is obvious he sucked now. His issue is he is not the best evaluater of QB talent as he thought Tebow could go in and take his place.
I agree. Getting rid of Cutty and Marshall were good moves, as Cutty isn't good and Marshall is a headcase.
I'm not sure why he believed in Tebow.
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He was injury prone and played out of position. Which is strange because Pags was supposed to be a good DB coach.
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I think it's on McDaniels. He had a bad tenure in Denver and is mostly looked at as a potentially bad head coach. I think he will do much better this time around, just because Ballard is actively trying to create a better environment as well as a winning culture.
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3 minutes ago, JColts72 said:
If Luck is throwing 50 a game, must mean the running game is bad and trying to outscore teams from poor D play.
Either that, or we replaced the running game with screens and RB dumpoffs like Brady.
Which I wouldn't be entirely opposed to.
Just now, Jared Cisneros said:Well, a lot of passes would be short, screen passes to the rbs and he should be avoiding contact. That's the hope anyway. If McDaniels implements it is another story.
Ah, I see. Thanks for that. Now I understand, and I agree.
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11 hours ago, Jared Cisneros said:
Then Luck won't be as big of a centerpiece as he should and we'll be a balanced team on offense with no defense. It will be somewhat similar to the Peyton days with Peyton and James, except no Mathis or Freeney. McDaniels offense works perfectly with mid-tier RBs like Dion Lewis, James White and Rex Burkhead. We can duplicate their offense and have a respectable pass rush with Chubb, as opposed to using Barkley as much as Luck and shedding the magic of Luck being a Franchise QB. Luck should be throwing 40-50 times a game, not handing the ball off to the RB. Barkley would be a luxury. RB's are easy to implement in McDaniels system. The pass rush is almost non-existent with only 25 sacks last year. The answer to me is simple.
I'm not so sure we should have Luck, who's coming off a major shoulder injury, should be throwing 40-50 times a game...I mean we had him doing that with Grigs/Pags and we saw how that lead to the injury in the first place.
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I'd like the Pats to win for two reasons:
1.) It'd be great for our next head coach to be coming off of a SB win
2.) I would probably suffocate from all the happiness that would encase my city if the Eagles win...sorry but my friends are all Eagles fans and laughed at Luck's injury. I can't have them win the SB even after losing Wentz.
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On 1/22/2018 at 10:47 AM, jshipp23 said:
We should have won 3 or 4...We choked against, Chargers, Steelers, and Jets off top of my head. ..I love Manning he is top 3 all time, but he didn't play his best in the playoffs and that's the truth..
Peyton being a playoff choker is such an old fallacy....
Even Brady has had playoff games. The difference is that even when Peyton plays his best, many times his defense let the team down.
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On 1/22/2018 at 4:56 AM, Jaredfor3 said:
Speaking of the Eagles, CB Patrick Robinson did nothing when he played for the Colts. He goes to Philly, and is a fringe pro Bowler.
As as far as the number three debate goes. Barkley, may not even last to pick number three. If that occurs, you know several nfl teams will be calling the Colts for Rosen or Darnold. As long as Luck is throwing a football by April, I hope Indy trades with a team like the Jets and we land a good player like G Quenton Nelson, ILB Roquan Smith, DE/LB Arden Key, or OT Orlando Brown. In addition we get the Jets high second selection and a future 2019 pick.
We played Robinson out of position and he was also very injury prone during his time here. He's succeeding on the Eagles because he's being utilized correctly.
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I couldn't be happier as a Colts fan.
I like McDaniels more than Nagy and Toub, mostly because I honestly thought hiring the guy was a pipe dream (like Harbaugh). I hate the Pats more than any other team in the league but I'd be lying if I said I didn't think he could take us to the next level.
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I couldn't be happier as a Colts fan.
I like McDaniels more than Nagy and Toub, mostly because I honestly thought hiring the guy was a pipe dream (like Harbaugh). I hate the Pats more than any other team in the league but I'd be lying if I said I didn't think he could take us to the next level.
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10 minutes ago, Superman said:
No, they didn't. They benched him after he got hurt the first time. He had himself evaluated sometime after that season and chose not to have surgery. That's his choice, not the team's.
Blaming the Colts for his recovery is nonsensical. It's easy to look back and say 'they should have shut him down and forced him to have surgery' two years later, but you know what they say about hindsight. Besides that, no one can know that he wouldn't have had the same issues with his recovery even if he had the operation way sooner.
So no, the organization didn't screw up his shoulder or his recovery.
Do you have a source saying he close not to get surgery before 2017?
Also, some quick points where the organization messed up:
- He first got hurt during the Colts-Titans game, during which he wasn't benched. Luck would later admit that his shoulder pains first started during that 9/2015 game (https://www.sbnation.com/2017/4/17/15328144/andrew-luck-shoulder-injury-surgery-2015-titans)
- Luck then got a lacerated kidney plus abdomen muscle pulls against the Broncos. He never came out of that game either.
- the labrum concerns came about during the 2016 preseason. Grigson said he was fine. Irsay said he was fine. Irsay even continued to promise that Luck would play during the 2017 season. Amid all these reports and setbacks, Luck was put on IR.
Irsay made it seem like he was completely unaware of the severity of Luck's injury. Luck starting on the PUP list wasn't in the plans according to Ballard.
It's not 100% true to say the organization didn't mess up the handling of his injury.
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9 hours ago, Superman said:
Why is everyone so insistent on blaming the Colts for the way Luck's recovery has gone?
Are you saying that the organization didn't completely screw up the management of Luck's shoulder injury from the beginning?
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On 1/13/2018 at 7:15 AM, CopenhagenColt said:
Give me a break. If you had replaced JB with Luck thisyear,do you think we would beSB contenders? Really?
Come on man. Our defense is among the worst in the league. Our O-line IS the worst in the league, and other than T.Y. we have no players on offense that anyone not completely blinded by their love for the team would ever claim was truly elite in the NFL, Other than our kicker perhaps. Same goes for the defense. Some talent, sure, but no Watt, Von Miller, Ngata, Lewis, Reed,Kuechly, Sherman level players.Zero.
I love Luck, but even Peyton at the top of his game would not have been able to make this team a SB contender. Even Peyton had some top notch players around him.
Get real.
With Luck? This year? No. Not SB Contenders. Not with the 2017 coaching staff. That's one of the big differences between this year and next.
I do think Luck would've been able to put this team in the playoffs, though. The defense wasn't as bad as advertised, it was mostly let down by a sub par offense that often failed to put points on the board. We don't have a star defensive player but we do have several solid pieces and a couple promising rookies. I think a lot of cap space, healthy Luck and a top coaching staff (McDaniels would be a pivotal piece) would do wonders.
Most optimistic I've felt about the Colts in a long time.
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Same!!
I haven't been this optimistic since the seasons leading up to 2006. And this is before FA and the draft. I can't wait.