Bad Morty
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UNC fans file petition to overturn the results of the NCAA Championship game http://www.dukebasketballreport.com/2016/4/7/11383118/petition-urges-ncaa-to-reverse-results-of-2016-ncaa-championship
UNC fan Michael Kline posted it at www.change.org, saying this: "This game was poorly officiated from the tip off to the end. It was a one sided called game all the way through. The officials called fouls against UNC that should have not been called and never called Villanova for the fouls they committed. The officials never called Villanova for multiple travel violations either. Also I want a complete investigation into the officials as it was them that decided the game not who played better."
I'm convinced this is a millennial generation thing. You have this group of entitled kids who grew up getting participation trophies...now as they become fans of teams, they can't deal with the fact that some other team won a game...so therefore, it must be that the refs were terrible or that the other team must have cheated. It's kind of pathetic.
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4 hours ago, Restored said:
My point is that New England fans (media included) are unabashed in their support that extend beyond normal reaches of fandom. Look at some of the personal, berating insults that were flung by both fans (and NE journalists) at Bob Kravitz when Deflategate first broke. It's just a bad look since that most of the Patriots actions have been largely perceived to be the result of blind fanboyism instead of having legitimate cases.
I think you are basing that on a pretty limited knowledge of the fan base here. I grew up here...we are about as cynical as they come, particularly with our sports teams. Have you ever heard the soundbite of Rick Pitino during his ill-fated stint as Celtics coach? He went on a tirade about the fans and media that still gets dredged up from time to time. "I don't know what fans are expecting here, but Larry Bird isn't walking through that door. Robert Parrish isn't walking through that door...and if they do, they'll be old and gray...all the negativity in this town sucks". Even with deflategate, I can name a half dozen media folks here who are still in print and on the airwaves stating their opinions that the Patriots are guilty as charged (Felger and Masserotti afternoon sports radio hosts, Ron Borges (Herald), Ben Volin (Globe), Dan Shaughnessy (Globe), and Gary Tanguay (Comcast Sports).
Yes - in this situation, most fans think the Pats were wronged by the league...seriously wronged. Doesn't mean they ALWAYS side with the team and wave pom-poms.
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6 hours ago, Restored said:
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Again, show me a fan base that is stooping to this level. .
Your thoughts on 'The Asterisk Project', started by Colts fan Jim Purucker?
“We need your help so the NFL hears from their fans that we don’t want the Patriots’ cheating ways to fade away like Tom Brady’s punishment for Deflategate did,” Purucker wrote on his website.
The 51-year-old Indianapolis resident—and self-described diehard Colts fan—insists this initiative is no joke. And he has plenty of experience with moving the needle on a cause.
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5 hours ago, ColtRider said:
Wholeheartedly agree here. Neglecting defense is a casualty of NFL warfare. I've said it a million times. If Peyton and the Colts had a Top 5 defense to go along with their prolific offenses from 1999-2010? Oh baby! We're not talking about New England. We're talking Indianapolis Colts & their "Dynasty"! Period.
Colts had the #2 defense in 2005, #1 in 2007, #7 in 2008, #8 in 2009...so they did have some pretty solid defenses during that stretch.
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Just now, 2006Coltsbestever said:
Yeah I know who he is now. I had to think for a minute, the name sounded familiar but I couldn't place it earlier and he works for CBS. Wow 1 person. LOL
I almost had a second one for you (Will Brinson, also from CBS)...but then I read it and he's actually picking the Broncos to lose but cover. Though in reality if you are going that route with a 3 point spread, you are essentially calling it a tossup. http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-football/25456673/afc-nfc-conference-championship-game-picks-everyone-undervaluing-broncos
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25 minutes ago, 2006Coltsbestever said:
Who's that. I am being dead honest, I have never heard of him. He probably lives in Colorado
He doesn't work for ESPN or the NFL Network I know that because I would've heard of him. Until someone picks Denver from those 2 it's irrelevant who picks them IMO. I pick Denver too but it's irrelevant.
Pete Priscoe? He's the Senior NFL Analyst for CBS Sports.
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Pete Priscoe picked Denver, so there's that. As usual, I think the media are going way over the top with it, but that's what they do. They are making this out like it's going to be a mid-season Pats/Jaguars game, which is ridiculous. I think a lot of what you are seeing is the boomerang effect from how much love was being thrown at KC last week. That team was talked up so much (and understandably so given the 11 game win streak and the the beat down they laid on Houston the week before) that it's making the Pats relatively easy win over them seem a lot more significant than it was.
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12 minutes ago, OffensivelyPC said:
What Vegas does has nothing to do with who's the better team and who has the better matchups. Also, your guess on it doesn't mean any more than my thoughts on who's better between the NFC Champ and Patriots.
A) I wouldn't say Vegas odds have NOTHING to do with who the better team is...for example, I'm pretty sure New England was favored all season long against teams they were clearly better than.
B) Did I say my guess meant more than yours?
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1 minute ago, OffensivelyPC said:
Fine, they have a small chance. Don't really care. They're not as good as either team in the NFC, which is the point.
my guess is that if New England wins on Sunday, they would be installed as 2 point favorites over Carolina, 3 points over Az.
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21 minutes ago, OffensivelyPC said:
You realize there are more players on the field than wide receivers, right?
yeah...I've noticed that...but then again I'm not making the silly claim that the AFC contender has no shot in the Super Bowl this year.
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9 minutes ago, OffensivelyPC said:
It's not like it matters who comes out ofthe AFC, they'll likely be crushed by whoever comes out of the NFC. Patriots or Broncos, doesn't matter, neither of them can match up with the fire power of those teams.
Correct me if I'm wrong here, but is Ted Ginn Jr still the #1 receiver Newton throws to? I don't see either of these NFC teams as being dominant whatsoever.
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15 minutes ago, Kyle234 said:
I think its a fair statement. While the overall scores are close, the Patriots had 21 points through touchdowns and extra points, and 6 points from field goals. The Broncos had 15 points from field goals and 8 points from a TD and 2 point conversion. Others may disagree, but in my opinion the offensive performance from the Pats was ten fold better than the Broncos. The Patriots offense went out and dominated. The Broncos offense did what it needed to do to win the game.
The Patriots also scored their points against the #3 defense in the league (based on points per game) who by the way were coming off a shutout in the wildcard round. And as someone else pointed out, they did it while losing the time of possession battle 38 mins to 22.
Denver's defense is very good...they are perfectly capable of making life very difficult for the Pats offense. But I think when people handicap this game, it comes down to this...an elite offense (Pats) versus an elite defense (Broncos) on one side, a below average offense (Broncos) vs a good defense on the other. That tilts the odds towards the Pats in most peoples minds. Doesn't mean anything is a "lock" or that the Broncos can't win...it's just an objective handicapping of the two teams. My jaw won't be hitting the floor if the Broncos win this game.
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17 hours ago, dynasty13 said:
You think you know what Patriots fans think, but you really couldn't be more wrong. It's no different than what we said back in week 12 before playing the Broncos. Peyton Manning doesn't scare us. Stats aside, he just hasn't looked good. You make it sound like the Broncos were a rudderless ship losing left and right and then Peyton showed up and saved them and now we want no part of him. Nope, not the case.
Most of us don't care about the rivalry anymore. In our eyes, it's over. It's been over. If he beats us he beats us, but really we just want to go to another Superbowl. That's it. We welcome the opportunity to go into a place that we have struggled at and try to make that happen, but in no way are we 'covering up' our fears and our non-existent reluctance to face the supposed buzz-saw that is the Denver Broncos by saying we want to face Peyton. In all honestly though, Peyton Manning fans should be the ones with a little hesitation here. If he loses...at home...against the Patriots...and god forbid he looks bad doing it, well that does way way way more harm to his legacy and the way people view he and Tom in whatever debate it left.
The truth is that Peyton fans are treating this like one last chance to close the gap between the two in terms of how people perceive them. But Patriots fans just don't care.
I would amplify this sentiment further by saying that I am hoping....scratch that...I'm actually pretty certain....that Bill is spending time prepping for Osweiller this week...because it won't surprise me one bit if he ends up in the game and I frankly think that would give Denver a better shot.
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Just now, Surge89 said:
Yet the Patriots were willing to do anything to get the Steelers out of the playoffs... even give the Jets a win lolol k...
I think that's nonsense. Frankly, I think the biggest bullet they dodged might have been the Jets. That team always gives them fits (or should I say "Fitz"...get it?)
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4 minutes ago, 2006Coltsbestever said:
Most Pats fans seem to think Peyton is really washed up and done. Denver just scored 23 last week and was held to 5 FG's without a Defensive TD in doing so. The media seems to think the same thing about Peyton. I wonder if any of these people watched the Steelers game where Peyton threw at least 4 or 5 lasers for 1st down's and had no Turnovers with poor wind conditions even.
The Steelers defense was arguably the worst of the 12 playoff teams. I recall them having a couple of drops as well on what should have been easy picks. The opinion people have of where Manning is at right now is backed up by stats. He was statistically the worst QB in football this year. He had a 67.6 QBR, he threw 17 picks and only 9 TD's. Can he summon the past and have a great game sunday? Sure...I suppose. But don't make it out like the people who think he's done are coming out of left field. http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/stats/byposition?*=QB
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Just now, OffensivelyPC said:
You also said that Denver must hold the Pats to under 20 in order to win. Clearly, you weren't paying attention.
ok fair point. I thought you were trying to say that they scored 30 versus the Pats. Yes - they did score 24 on them in that game. My larger point is simply this...Denver is clearly a team that is built to win on defense. They aren't likely to win a high scoring game. I said if the Pats get into the mid-twenties, that's trouble for Denver.
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10 minutes ago, OffensivelyPC said:
And you want people to take you seriously...
I said in my original post that the Broncos had only scored 30 IN REGULATION TIME once. They did NOT score 30 in regulation time in that Pats game.
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27 minutes ago, OffensivelyPC said:
What was the score to first game between Denver and New England again?
24-24
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30 minutes ago, chad72 said:
I agree with that, it is hard to beat Brady when he scores 30 in a playoff game, only game he has lost is the 34-38 2006 AFCCG vs Peyton, I think. But I just don't think they have to be mutually exclusive. Besides, Pats did allow 30 to Denver the last time they met (though you will tell me they were banged up and I understand that, not going to deny).
That is why they play the game. We will see how things play out on Sunday.
not just that they were banged up, but that they only scored 24 in regulation. Believe me...I'm not one of these "Pas are going to DESTROY Denver!!" types...I just think based on what I've seen of both teams that the Pats are better than Denver and the better team usually wins. Not always, but usually. My only question about the Pats was answered Sunday, and that is "could they just flip the switch with guys coming back who hadn't played in a while"...they did, and now those guys have game reps under their belts, so I expect the Pats will look like they did in the midst of the 10-0 start.
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25 minutes ago, chad72 said:
Here is the thing I did not realize till after the game. It was mighty windy, with winds gusting up to 30 mph. That is why I have to commend McManus to be able to kick in those winds and for Peyton to grind it out. We all know how Peyton's throws wobble when it is windy. That is why, to me, it was a good performance from Peyton given the windy conditions, how patient he was and did not commit any turnovers.
If the conditions are not windy in the AFCCG, I think the Patriots and some fans might end up being surprised if Peyton hits 30 points, which I think he will.
30?! Denver has scored 30 in regulation time once all year (2nd game of the season). The Pats have allowed 30 in regulation twice all year. If Denver is going to win this game, it's going to take holding the Pats to under 20. If Chris Harris is as banged up as he appeared the other day, that's going to be a tall order. If the Pats get up into the mid 20's Denver is in trouble.
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2 minutes ago, 2006Coltsbestever said:
Steelers are banged up with Benny and Brown so this is a better draw for Denver. Pats get a redhot Chiefs team.
With no Maclin
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The league chasing a guy like Tom Brady to the ends of the earth while this criminal display is playing out in primetime...smh...this league is an embarrassment.
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36 minutes ago, JimJaime said:
No it was a roll of the dice that failed, I think most of us Pats fans just cant believe as you said you dont put the ball in the hands of the best player on BOTH sides aka Brady.. Man is as clutch as Big Papa. lol
Yeah...but he had so little to work with on Sunday. You can be as clutch as you want, but if you have no running back, your offensive line is struggling to protect, and your receivers aren't getting open, then it's not going to matter much. I guess if I were coaching, my philosophy would be to put my best unit on the field first. If the '85 Bears were playing today, I would argue that they should defer every time.
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I actually haven't even read Bill's "explanation" for the decision, and frankly even if I had, I wouldn't put a lot of stock in it. I kind of doubt he'd give the media a straight up answer to any type of strategy question. To me, the least confusing and most logical explanation is that he didn't like the offense's chances of scoring from the 20 (yes...I understand the possibility of a kick return and better starting point, but you know that that play has been pretty much eliminated from the game) and he thought his best chance to win was to pin them on a kickoff, force a 3 and out, get a better starting point via a punt, and then only need a short field to win the game given his kicker. Again - I can see disagreeing with the strategy in favor of "give Brady the damn ball"...but this wasn't anything close to Grady Little leaving Pedro in for the 7th or (not to jab at you Colts fans) the fake punt...neither of those decisions had any defensible logic behind them.
He doesn't work for ESPN or the NFL Network I know that because I would've heard of him. Until someone picks Denver from those 2 it's irrelevant who picks them IMO. I pick Denver too but it's irrelevant.
Pats fans file lawsuit for lost draft picks
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being a whiny beeyotch is being a whiny beeyotch. Back when I grew up, you won or you lost. You didn't cry about cheating.