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    Deflategate Central (one thread, merged, moderated)

    in NFL General

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    That's real... http://m.nbcsports.com/content/“conduct-detrimental”-vs-“equipment-violation”-brady-vs-nfl

     

    Consider this: If a player were caught using stickum to help him catch the footballs thrown by his quarterback (or, to make the facts more aligned with the Brady case, if the player knew that the equipment managers were applying stickum to his gloves for him), would he be committing conduct detrimental to the integrity of the game?

    Perhaps, but the NFL already has agreed that the fine for a first offense would be $8,681.

    I believed you. I meant that the punishment was too lenient. I think there should be harsher punishment for cheating.

    Deflategate Central (one thread, merged, moderated)

    in NFL General

    Posted

    I agree. I am glad everything got put out there for everyone to see.

     

    Also, not sure if you saw but Kraft resigned from Viacom's board of directors this week citing "other obligations" he needed to take care of, http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-08-07/new-england-patriots-owner-kraft-resigns-from-viacom-s-board

    While the company doesn't have a direct tie with the NFL, its sibling company is CBS, who has broadcasting rights to Thursday Night Football and local broadcast of Pats games. And we know there was the partnership to bring the first CBS scene restaurant to Gillette.

     

    I wonder if this is the first domino to fall in Kraft walking away from the broadcast stuff for the NFL, if so that is huge for the other owners.

    Are you kidding me? Now you are correlating Kraft's business moves to being mad at the NFL? LOL

    Cable is a sinking ship and well, you know what rats do... :)

    Nothing more satisfying than settling the Colts with a loss

    in Colts Football

    Posted

    This is the NFL. There is cheating going on every minute in every place. Anyone that thinks there is integrity, honesty and fair play also believes in fairy dust. Common, 50% of the draft picks are felons. They later become coaches. What do you expect? Stop the whining already. By showing interest, all you are doing is perpetuating the media's ability to make more money writing and reporting this nonsense. There are starving people in the world, dentists hunting endangered animals, pending nuclear disasters and this is what the NFL chooses to waste press time with?

    There are also our servicemen being killed in our own country by cowards, yet you want to waste your posting time to cry about a lion that just so happened to have a name?

    But guess, what? This is a football forum and we talk about football stuff.

    Nothing more satisfying than settling the Colts with a loss

    in Colts Football

    Posted

    50% is probably conservative .... 75% for the guys from OSU. All I can say is the NFL gives a 2 game suspension for knocking out your GF and 4 games for doctoring your own balls. What they pump out to the press after that becomes totally laughable. As a fan I don't want to hear such nonsense.

    How many days off of work would you get for beating up your GF? How many if you falsified documentation? See the difference?

    *For the record, I do not condone the beating of one's gf.

    Deflategate Central (one thread, merged, moderated)

    in NFL General

    Posted

    Rodgers admitted to trying to sneak over inflated balls past the ref. That is textbook cheating.

     

    I never said pro sports did not see equipment violations as an advantage the issue here is the degree and subsequent punishment. In hockey for example a curved stick is a two minute penalty basically on par with an unsportsmanlike conduct penalty. Never in any sport has a team been docked draft picks, fined a mil dollars and a player suspended for a quarter of the season ...

    Yes, Rodgers admitted to inflating over the limit before they tested.  Did he have some ball boy sneak the balls in the a bathroom with no toilet to inflate them again after the refs corrected them?

    Deflategate Central (one thread, merged, moderated)

    in NFL General

    Posted

    Really?  You're going here to make your point?  Build a nice straw man then knock it down and claim your victory?  What if it didn't go as you state. What if it went something like this-

     

    Investigator claims all scientific test have assumptions.  We do here as well, but later we will test the assumption.  Then go on using the fact the Ref was told 12.5 was the minimum for all balls, so 12.5 can be assumed as the low figure in the calculations.  After all is said and done the point is brought up that there were two gauges.  and one of them makes it look like most of the Pats balls fail the ideal gas law, and thus tampering could be a factor.  But with the other gauge, most of the balls measure in a range the ideal gas law predicts.  So Pats fans say that one was used, all is good.  But  now it it time for another test, the test of the original assumption.  That 12.5 psi measured on the lower reading gauge can be used for determination of pregame levels, even if not written down.

     

    Pats equipment manager measured and set all balls to 12.5 (his testimony!).  Colts equipment manager set all 12 of their balls at 13.0 psi.  Walt Anderson testified all Colts balls measure fine pre-game, no adjustment.  Anderson reports 10 of the 12 Pats balls were at least 12.5 psi.  How can we tell which gauge Anderson used to measure pre game?  Compare all gauges to a calibrated gauge!  This is just what the NFL did. In addition to measuring with the 2 gauges Anderson used, they measured them with the calibrated gauge.  The calibrated gauge closely matched the lower reading gauge.

     

    Pats balls using their gauge, balls set to 12.5.  Only 2 were low and adjusted

    Colts balls set to 13 psi, and were fine, no adjustments needed

    Calibrated gauge matches lower gauge Anderson had.

    It is hard to see both Colts and Pats gauges matching the higher reading gauge, which did not match the calibrated gauge.  Only one gauge matching the calibrated standard, and 3 of them not?   Hmmmm.....  I don't think so...

     

    Based upon this data, it is more reasonable to conclude the lower reading gauge was used pre-game, matching Calibrated gauge and those of the Pats and Colts equipment guys. . Also, I feel had the higher gauge been used, it is also reasonable to believe none of the Pats balls were to need air.  And possibly a ball or two of the Colts would need air let out of them.  And they would not read pre-game where the Equipment managers say they put them.

     

    It is totally reasonable to determine that the Pats gauge, Colts Gauge are nearly the same as the lower reading and calibrated gauges (which matched).  It is easier to determine the higher reading gauge is the outlier.

     

    Seeing as how most every test end experiment includes assumptions, as U.C.Berkeley agrees here-

     

    http://undsci.berkeley.edu/article/howscienceworks_13

     

    So having done the full calculations before (in another thread) and identifying my assumptions for those calcs (above), and then testing them, I think I'd score in the relativity well area with the relatively low effort I gave them (trying to be accurate at all costs though). Well enough to destroy your straw man, at least.

     

    (I think I should add this testing of my assumptions to my original post, what you all think? )

     

    Nice post!  Thanks!  But don't worry, the Pats fans will be here to tell you that you're wrong because they saw a blog post by some dude on a Pats website that says differently. 

    Deflategate Central (one thread, merged, moderated)

    in NFL General

    Posted

    To your red - if they don't then they need to educate themselves as the NFL in its history has never punished such a violation by anything more than a warning or a fine. And further, a deflated football has disadvantages too as it does not travel as fast (velocity diminished) or as far (distance). That is why it is a preference thing where some Qbs like it on the light side for grip and feel while others like Rodgers like it on the higher side for distance and velocity.

    To the blue - it is not irrelevant because we are talking about degree of competitive advantage as that is the main reason why the NFL has never come down hard on it or any pro sport for that matter because the advantaged gained is minimal and the fact that Brady scored MORE points with the pumped up footballs in the second half of the AFCCG when the weather worsened shows just how insignificant it was in terms of a competitive advantage on top of his blistering performance verse Seattle in the SB.

    Your Red - While one likes it high and one likes it low...only one changes the value after the balls have been tested which is illegal.

    Your Blue - oh really? Pro sports don't think modifying equipment causes a competitive advantage? Tell that to Sammy Sosa and his corked bat? What about scuffing baseball's or Vaseline on baseballs?

    Seahawks Release DT Tony McDaniel

    in NFL General

    Posted

    I'm curious about the whole "scheme fit" thing, off the top of my head I don't know what Seattle runs, but outside of that I can't see why Grigson wouldn't at least explore this.

    I just Googled it because I didn't know either...lol. It looks like they run a 4-3 base with 3-4 sprinkled in. I saw another thing that said they 4-3 with 3-4 personnel. So I have no idea, maybe someone else can chime in.

    Deflategate Central (one thread, merged, moderated)

    in NFL General

    Posted

    How pathetic.

    I've never seen a fan base try so hard to convince themselves that an opponents' rep is ruined.

    Or did you miss the vast number of NFL players who have said the EXACT opposite? Heck, even Pollard said so yesterday, and he hates Brady.

    Hilarious, I'm not trying to convince myself of anything. In fact, it's the exact opposite...Pats fans everywhere screaming from the rooftops to get their points across, it's ugly.

    Want proof? I'm not on a Pats forum trying to convince others to think like me, where are you at right now?

    Deflategate Central (one thread, merged, moderated)

    in NFL General

    Posted

    Too much protestation coming from our New England brethern. Too much. And we know what that means, don't we..

    Which I don't understand because a couple of them have admitted that they thought Brady was guilty. Now they're singing a different tune? And everything this AM guy says has to be a joke. Like I said before, I believe we are being trolled, nothing more, nothing less.

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