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Oh, and 3 out of 4 Colt balls were found under the legal limit. Why do people deliberately lie about that?
You tell me, why are you lying?
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Oh, it matters little buddy. Otherwise, you wouldn't be here pleading your case. LOL!If you turned in a science paper to your professor, the goal of which was to prove that a set of footballs deflated by more than the ideal gas law would suggest they should have, and you provided a set of halftime measurements for each ball but then said "I didn't record the pressure of the balls before the game and I don't really know which gauge I used to test them...but I'm pretty sure each ball was at 12.5PSI or thereabouts and while I thought I used this gauge, my friend says I used the other"...what grade do you think you'd get?
This is a sting, and here's why...*s like Kensil thought that proving this case would be as simple as measuring balls at halftime, seeing that they were below 12.5, and saying "A HA! GOTCHA!". It's painfully obvious nobody in the league office had considered the fact that balls will deflate on their own in cold conditions. Why do you think they are NOW putting a procedure in place to test this? So they measured balls, found them a pound or so deflated, leaked a story that said they were all TWO pounds deflated just to get the public all riled up, and THEN they had their "uh-oh" moment when they realized that pressure drop occurs naturally.
As for the pathetic schadenfreude many of you exhibit who claim that the destruction of Brady's legacy impacts ME in any way, wow. That is about as pathetic as it gets and speaks to the psychological harm the Patriots have inflicted on you all as a fan base. Brady's legacy damage does nothing to me whatsoever. I live in Boston. Everybody here believes the guy is being railroaded and he will receive the loudest ovation you've ever heard when he makes his first appearance this year, whether it's game 1 or game 5. So what you think or what people in Tuscaloosa think doesn't matter a lick to me. The impact of this lies squarely with Brady himself. He's the guy who was unfairly targeted by a league he did so much good for. That's going to be Goodell's legacy and I hope he chokes on it.
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Somehow I take pleasure in knowing that you think Brady's legacy is destroyed. I know he was involved ...and I really don't think his legacy is destroyed. He's a great football player that just happens to be a liar and a cheater . Big deal .....he and his team got their just punishment.
I mean Ty Cobb was the nasty , no good guy that some think went as far to commit a murder. He's still looked upon as one of the all-time great baseball players.
I love the fact that every Pats fan is crying about Brady's legacy. Everytime they try to convince someone that he is the GOAT, they know deep down inside that no matter how much they shout it from the roof tops...no one believes them! Hahaha...it's awesome! We all know one of the best parts of being a sports fan is bragging about how good your guy/team is. Well, they lost that. They can say as much as they want they know he is the best and it doesn't matter what anyone else thinks, but ah...it does...it does.
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This team wants playmakers, of course he doesn't fit. It's not rocket science.
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And how long has ESPN been swinging from Tom Brady and the Patriots nuts? Now, all of the sudden ESPN is out to get them?
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I'm curious to why you think they are estimates and not real numbers because they were not written down? Are you saying they forgot the real numbers? Are they lying? If the latter, would it really matter if they wrote it down since they would have written down false numbers anyway as part of your imaginary sting operation? Contrary to popular Bostonian belief, everyone is not a liar and a cheat.Not having beginning measurements by definition means that statements regarding the change in pressure when the balls were measured at halftime are estimates, not actual numbers. I would think that would be a somewhat critical omission of data that the league should have considered before destroying a guy's legacy the way they have.
Them NOT recording the numbers is actually proof that this wasn't a sting operation. It's more than likely something that fell through the cracks and normally wouldn't have mattered...except they were refereeing a Pats game, you better cross your I's and dot your T's because they are willing/probable to cheat in any facet of the game.
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@BOTT. Yes Marvin played with Peyton. And J.Rice played with Joe Mantana. What's your point.(waiting.....) If numbers don't matter, then Peyton wouldn't even be considered a top 3-5 QB of all time. Juse saying.
And because numbers does carry leverage including contracts, etc. Players get paid, and Manning is considered a top 3-5 QB of all time. HOW many rings does Peyton have? Younger brother Eli have more. (Didn't mean to)
What is this? LOL! If only numbers matter then Moss wins anyway (more yards). And let's be real here...what do you think Moss' numbers would have looked like if he played with Peyton his whole career? Look at what he did in the 1 year with Brady.
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(WARNING: This post is extremely long. I've tried to sum-up the case and demonstrate how hard it is to believe Tom Brady and the Patriots are innocent as they claim. It's a very, very long post. Read at your convenience.)
In order for a fan (outside of New England) to believe that Tom Brady and the Pats are Snow White innocent and that the NFL is out to prove them guilty and have bungled the case from the get-go, here's what you'd have to disbelieve or dismiss outright......
-- You'd have to dismiss that when the Colts intercepted Brady back in the November game in Indy, the players thought the ball was soft and gave it to the equipment staff. They tested the balls back then and they were found to be BELOW the legal limit. When the equipment staff notified Grigson they said the view among staffs around the NFL was that NE played fast and loose with the rules. That's how ALL OF THIS got started. The Colts notified the NFL back then. This did NOT start at the AFCCG.
-- You'd have to dismiss that the balls were tested prior to the AFCCG and put into proper compliance, yet the Pats equipment guy disappears for roughly 70-100 seconds. I read this week that the NE franchise admits the guy was gone with the ball long enough to lower the pressure in the balls. But you'd have to believe he didn't do anything illegal, that he went to the bathroom to do his personal business. A pure coincidence, even though he's not supposed to take the balls to the bathroom with him.
-- You'd have to dismiss that the balls were re-tested at half and 11 of the 12 were found to be below legal limits. The fact that they weren't all 2 pounds below the limit is meaningless. They were below. While the Colts' balls (4) were all legal.
-- You'd have to ignore the fact that the NE franchise was uncooperative. They stopped the NFL from doing more interviews with the two equipment men. The Patriots felt they had cooperated enough and felt another round of interviews was excessive. Except it's not the Patriots who get to determine that. The NFL gets to decide. And this came after NE publicly expressed they'd cooperate fully.
-- You'd have to ignore the fact that Robert Kraft, perhaps the most powerful owner of all 32, publicly called out the NFL and said he'd expect an apology unless the NFL had "incontrovertible proof of wrong doing." Except he knows full well that "incontrovertible proof" is NOT the NFL's legal standard. The NFL's standard has always been a much lower one. More likely than not. The NFL does NOT have subpoena power. They can't demand things. But if accused don't want to cooperate, the NFL can and will factor a lack of cooperation into their rulings.
-- You'd have to ignore the fact that Tom Brady said he couldn't remember the name of one of the equipment guys. And he said he hadn't talked to them in roughly 6 months. Yet, the day AFTER the AFCCG, he made roughly 6 calls to one (both?) of the guys lasting a total of nearly one hour. That's all innocent? Seriously?
-- You'd have to ignore the fact that TB wouldn't let his own agent/lawyer take out the texts to submit to the NFL. The NFL NEVER asked for Brady's phone. A claim that continued to surface here on this website for months and months. Brady never had to turn in his phone. The NFL even said they don't have to be the ones to examine the text records. They'd be satisfied if Brady's lawyer did that. The NFL would trust Brady's representative to be honest. Yet, even THAT wasn't enough.
-- You'd have to ignore that Brady's phone was requested early in the process. It was destroyed before he testified in March. But he didn't mention that. And it wasn't until FIVE DAYS before the June appeal that Brady's reps alerted the NFL that the phone was destroyed months prior. A matter of routine, they claimed, and NOT a cover-up. Except they also admitted (in one story I read) that Brady's phone from late 2014, the phone PRIOR to the one in question was still intact. Not destroyed. Talk about destroying your own alibi and reasonable doubt?!
-- You'd have to ignore Kraft's incendiary comments about the NFL. Remarks that frankly should've gotten him slapped with a huge fine. He's doing the exact same thing he's accusing the NFL of.... publicly spinning facts to influence the court of public opinion. It's apparently OK when Kraft does it, but not OK when the Patriots do it.
-- You'd have to ignore that after Brady's appearance at the appeal in June, his representative's, both private and those from the NFLPA publicly raved about Brady's performance. Said he cooperated fully. They gave him an "A+". You think those public comments weren't spin? How do you think the NFL's legal team felt about Brady learning just 5 days before that he had destroyed his cell phone in question?
-- You'd have to ignore that with nothing new to help Brady's case by this week, and the only new info being the damning news of Brady having destroyed his phone, Kraft and the Patriots roared their outrage that the NFL hasn't changed the penalty. What was new that the NFL should've done that? It came out that the NFLPA wanted the news of Brady destroying his phone to be permanently sealed. They knew it would look like a cover-up and a lack of cooperation to the public. Yet they can't understand why the NFL didn't reduce the penalty.
-- You'd have to ignore that the NFLPA leaked that Brady would only accept a penalty of NO GAMES MISSED. NO SUSPENSION. Only a token fine for lack of cooperation. That's it. They expected FULL EXONERATION. No compromise would be accepted. And anything short of clearing Brady would result in a lawsuit by Brady and his team. And yet, with that as a back-drop they can't understand why the NFL didn't reduce the penalty. As far as I can tell, Brady was NOT asking for an apology! (I think...)
-- You'd have to ignore that all current and former NFL quarterbacks have gone public think Brady cheated.
-- You'd have to ignore the idea that the two equipment guys "went rogue" and acted on their own initiative to help Brady. That Brady didn't make his wishes clear and they were simply acting on their own without orders. All current and former NFL QB's have said no equipment guys would do this on their own. They'd only do this with the knowledge, direction, and approval of the QB.
-- You'd have to ignore the fact that the NFL has gone after Tom Brady hard. Why would they do that if they weren't convinced of his guilt? He's the poster boy for the NFL. Their greatest marketing tool. He's right out of central casting. A winner of four Super Bowls. Male model good looks. Married to the most famous supermodel in the world. A happy father. Everything the NFL wants fans to like. What is the incentive for the NFL to go after Brady like this if not unless they feel he's guilty of cheating, but, most importantly, he's guilty of the cover-up. Remember, in most cases, the cover-up is WORSE than the actual crime. But if you believe NE fans here, the NFL has completely blown and botched this case. Brady is innocent. New England is innocent. Except Brady hasn't cooperated, and neither have the Patriots.
I get that New England fans are simply NEVER going to accept this version of events. Never. But I think most of the rest of the NFL has. Owners appear to be supporting Goodell and the NFL. Fans appear to have had their heads turned over the news about Brady destroying his phone. Who destroys evidence and expects that doing so will help them? Who? No one.
There are just way, WAY too many things to ignore to believe the Patriots and Brady are innocent. It's just a landslide of evidence. The Natural Gas Law ONLY shows that things COULD have happened differently. It does NOT prove anything else. Only that things MIGHT'VE gone differently.
There's way too much circumstantial evidence that screams otherwise.
Sorry this went so long, but I wanted to address as many points as I could. If there are other points that I missed, please feel free to add them here......
Nice post...thanks.
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Deflection much? Just another Pats fan blaming the league. If there was a sting...why would that be? Would it be because someone was doing something, i dont know, like cheating? Hmmm.But if a high level official did leak such information, he did so with Goodell's backing.
Remember, this was a sting operation against the Patriots. Never before has a team not been warned to do something , with the NFL then launching a sting investigation MIDGAME.
Colt fans, think about it: if the NFL head office thought that the Patriots were cheating, then they ALLOWED THEM
TO during the first half! Instead of sending a memo like they normally would, they decided to launch a sting operation.
If you still can't see the blatant bias here, it's not worth discussing anymore.
"Waaahh, it's your fault we cheated, 'cause you tried to catch us...waahhh!"
*In case you were wondering, Waaahh is the sound a baby makes when they cry.*
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You keep forgetting it was Brady who turned this into a national story. Self explanatory.
Please don't confuse AM with facts.
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Patriots arguement..."Yeah we cheated, but not as bad as originally reported...we should be exonerated!
Unbelievable....Hahahahahahahaahahaha
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I will be impressed when I see a 1000 yard rusher behind this Oline. Something we haven't had in 8 years. Even in a pass happy offense it shouldn't be that difficult with the added attempts per carry. We will see this season just how much Gore has left in the tank.
What if we had 3 guys with 600 yds each?
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I guess I'm just a "hope for the best but expect the worst" type of guy. I sure hope we're able to finally beat them
That sucks for you.
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I see us winning week 6 !!! I think we finally get over the hump and send the pats home with a loss !!!
I agree.
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Can you share the "huge bombshell"? Since it's being ignored, I'd like to learn about this.
So, I went and searched for whatever you think is a "huge bombshell".... you mean the e-mails that the Pats released? The e-mails they sent to the NFL? You think those are a "huge bombshell"????
Believe me, if they were, they would've been released months ago when they might've made a difference in the case.
It's not close to a "huge bombshell".....
The claim that the NFL was trying to spin the matter through ESPN is no different than Bob Kraft standing up at the Super Bowl and demanding an apology from the NFL. Or stating that the NFL could only punish the Patriots if the NFL found "overwhelming evidence and conclusive proof".... As one of 32 NFL owners, Kraft knew full well, that conclusive proof was NOT the standard that the NFL needed to achieve.
But Kraft did all that to spin matters and try and shape the argument. Spin.
More proof of the Patriots lack of cooperation which continues to this day... especially this week when Kraft blasted the NFL yet again. I tell you, if this were the NBA and Mark Cuban was saying the same things Kraft was, the NBA would fine Cuban millions and say his comments were not in the best interest of the NBA.
But Kraft knows that won't happen to him, so he says things that no other NFL owner does. Once again, pure spin.
What you think is a "huge bombshell" is not even a 4th of July firework.
Bwahahahahahaha! So let me get this straight...an e-mail from the Patriots complaining about ESPN reports about them cheating and the NFL says they didn't do it is a huge bombshell? LOL! Talk about grasping at straws...
What planet are these guys from?
I find it hilarious that even the Patriot organization blames it on everyone else and refuses to take any responsibility.
You did the crime, now do the time...
Hahahahahahahaahahaha!
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I think we are just getting trolled by these Pats fans. There is no way that they can be this dillusional about their boys innocence. I remember a time when AM admitted that Brady was guilty...
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I swear....if a conversation between Brady and "amfootball" went down it would be like this....
Brady: I did it...I just didn't want to own up to it. I had the balls deflated it was all on me.
amfootball: The investigation was a total sham just like Yee said. They duped you into you really thinking you did it but you didn't do it.
Brady: Seriously...I really did do it. It really was me
amfootball: Tom...no it's not true. You've been brainwashed...it wasn't you and you didn't do it. I promise you didn't do it.
Best post ever? Yes.
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I don't know who we will lose to but I do know we will beat the Pats.
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Being wealthy is NOT a license to Lie, Cheat and/or Bully. There are plenty of wealthy people, with Morals, who still understand right from wrong.
Makes you wonder what a certain poster teaches her kids.
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So you are saying... Brady isn't a martyr and isn't doing this for all his peers and the integrity of the game?!?!? You mean.. he is just being selfish and self centered and an adamant liar???? THE NFL PLAYERS DONT SUPPORT CHEATING?!?!?!
I need to hurry and tell AM and Vir... wait... nvm..
Lol Brady is looking so bad and the fact that some fans (who will remain nameless) have the audacity to think that the NFL is to blame and the one looking bad. HAHAHAHA
What's worse is those same fans also blame the Colts!
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Our corners are going to be nasty...
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Thanks for posting the link to that legal dictionary site.
If we look at the very first paragraph we see why I am troubled but what the NFL did is a proper use of a seeking a Declaratory Judgment.
The first paragraph leads off in pertinent part as follows:
"Individuals may seek a declaratory judgment after a legal controversy has arisen but before any damages have occurred or any laws have been violated." (emphasis added).
So as I read that particular definition of the declaratory judgment relief it can only be sought prior to any damages incurred and/or violation of a law. The problem with the instant case is that they have damages (Brady's/Pats reputation and lost games) and laws violated (if Goodell violated labor laws by hearing the appeal, etc). Now for the moment I am not saying 100% this are true, but if there are deemed to have happen by a court of law in Brady's law suit, then they happened and happened at a time prior to the filing of the paperwork by the NFL.
If the NFL is deemed to have violated labor laws by having Goodell hear the appeal, they violated this law at least as soon as today and frankly back when he decided to hear the appeal. As for the damage to rep that could far back as not responding to Mortenson's 2 psig below spec report. but either way both of these actions occurred prior to today's filing.
Things might stand on a different footing for me, had none of this been made public and there were private meetings between the parties and there was a legal dispute as to what Goodell could hear and what suspension could be imposed, and there was a legal dispute as to what could be done, nothing got resolved and prior to going public and making a decision the NFL went to a court to seek guidance on the matter, maybe things would be different as you would have a dispute and before any damages or labor law violations one party sought an opinion from a court.
Gets back to my point about painting Supes' house. If we have a dispute on a clause in the contract, I might have an option to seek an opinion from the court, but if just ignore it, think he is wrong, don't paint his house and he has to find another painter costing him $1000 over our contract price he can come after me for $1,000 in cover damages. I can't then seek an opinion from a court imo.
So once the damage is done, be it not painting a house, breaking a pianist's hand, or violation labor laws/defamation, I do no see how a declaratory judgment is something that can be sought.
If this is true, which I think that it is, it would kind of ironic. The NFL, teams and fans talked about integrity, fairness, and loopholes when they were referring to what the pats did and their formations, the NFL then outlawed the formation much to the praise of fans and teams of other cities. Now the NFL itself is trying to use a remedy not for what it was originally intended in the hopes to get favorable results. I find that ironic and frankly hypocrisy.
Holy crap you are reaching. You can't possibly believe any of this, right?
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Two things I've learned today...
1. 95% of the members on this forum are lawyers...I mean WOW!!!!
2. The Patriots and their fans really love science...I mean really love it!!!
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Yeah, I don't know why he thinks will hear the loudest ovation in history in Indy.