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I hate it when people can’t admit they made a mistake.
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18 hours ago, LuckyHorseShoe§ said:
Chalk that up to differences in personality. I love AV and all he has done for our community, I wouldn't want him to retire anywhere else, especially not with some bum a## team like the Texans. He deserves better than that. The guys that play for us, especially the ones you listed, aren't just players, they're part of the Colts family. At least that's the way I see it, and I think most here see it like that too.
It was a joke image. I was bored. I didn't call anyone on here a Monday morning quarterback, I posted a South Park joke. Don't read too much into my #hitposts on here.
Yes, they’re part of the Colts family...who all ended their careers elsewhere. That’s kinda my point — they don’t stop being part of the horseshoe just because they go elsewhere, whether by their choice or the team’s.
I’m not saying I’d have preferred Vinny go elsewhere. I just think the PTBs always need to do what’s in the best interest of the Colts. And hanging on to Vinny as his decline set in wasn’t in the best interest of the Colts.
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2 hours ago, Barry Sears said:
Mixed emotions on this, but they at least need to see who's available. I know some of the misses haven't all been AV's fault, but he has missed kicks that an NFL level kicker should miss.
He may be the GOAT, but he's not the greatest of right now. We have 3 big divisional games coming up and can't afford to lose any of them due to missed extra points and makeable FG's
There’s no reason for mixed emotions. I mean, I get being sad about it being (past) Vinny’s time to go. But don’t let that convince you that it isn’t (past) his time to go.
Sometimes doing the right thing feels wrong. It’s still the right thing.
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19 minutes ago, Happy2BeHere said:
However, you’ve got to have someone who you feel has more potential to do better for this to happen. Which by all accounts is reasonable and what many have stated on here. Who is to say that management hasn’t looked around or discussed making a change at least once this year? They very well could have, certainly we don’t know.
I don’t know who they looked at this year. But last year we had Money Badger on our preseason roster and cut him to keep AV. He had kicked well for us and he’s gone on to be a solid (though injured) kicker for the Chargers.
We didn’t need to put ourselves in a situation to have to find somebody else mid-season, and shouldn’t have. Water under the bridge now, I know.
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1 hour ago, LuckyHorseShoe§ said:
To be fair, Vinny was obviously not retiring and most people didn’t want him to retire anywhere but here and were hoping he’d retire after one more good year. Also, even though he regressed towards the end of the year, it did not at all look like he would regress this much. A lot of people also gave him a pass because that KC game was garbage for everyone on the team, and it was snowing.
Not making excuses, just providing reasoning
It wouldn’t have bothered me a bit if he had retired somewhere else.
a) Some of our best players have (Manning, Saturday, Freeney, Harbaugh, Edgerrin, Hinton, Dickerson, Brooks, Wayne, Faulk...all of whom are in the Ring of Honor).
b) He’d be yanking PATs and short FGs for some poor occasional opponent rather than us. Maybe the Texans could’ve signed him? That would’ve been fantastic for us.
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7 minutes ago, IinD said:
I don't think predicting a 50 yr old kicker would 'fall off' at some point makes anyone a football savant.. Lol
It sucks, but it is what it is.
Heh...true.
But it does, at least, put that person one up on our front office and coaching staff in this instance.
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24 minutes ago, ÅÐØNϧ 1 said:
Wow what a bunch of crybabies . AV went from G.O.A.T to Scape Goat thanks now get lost & on most teams that might be the case .
Irsay Ballard Reich & the Indianapolis Colts seem to have more CLASS that & its there opinions that matter thankfully .
Coming from a fan base that BOOED Andrew Luck after all he went thru & AV struggles & no he is not the reason our COLTS are losing ? He is but 1 of many reasons we have lost .
Christmas Wish list New QB & Kicker
This is mostly nonsense. About the only thing you said that is correct is that AV is one of the reasons we’re losing games we should be winning.
What you’re calling “class” only goes so far in any business — and professional football is a business.
Case in point, Irsay handled letting our franchise’s all-time best player go with a lot of class. Held a joint press conference, flew him on the team jet, built him a statue, retired his jersey...all class.
But let him go, he did. And it was almost universally seen as the best decision for the team.
It’s Irsay’s job to do what’s best for the team - same with the GM and coaching staff. And sometimes that requires tough things — like letting your icons go...which can be done in a classy and respectful way.
It was a mistake to retain Vinatieri going into last season...compounded by doing so this season.
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4 hours ago, LuckyHorseShoe§ said:
There are people here who were clamoring to replace AV before he started losing games for us.
There are obviously a lot more doing it now, of course. I don’t know if the OP was saying this before or not. But we can’t lump everybody in as a Monday morning quarterback.
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8 hours ago, EastStreet said:
I don't blame them for bringing him back this year, but I do blame him for not making a change after things became pretty clear, and also for not having clear/quick go-to back up plan.
I think it shows they're too sentimental. Either that, or they just refuse to admit they were wrong and willing to die on the hill.
I don’t see how anybody can say “I don't blame them for bringing him back this year” and then, a few sentences later, say “it shows they're too sentimental.”
If the latter is true (and it obviously is), then how do Ballard & Co. escape blame? Fans are supposed to be the sentimental ones. A GM can’t afford to be - and this situation is one of the best examples why that is.
We had a golden opportunity going into last season to sign a solid young kicker in Badgley. And it apparently wasn’t even considered. When the idea was broached on this board, the overwhelming opinion was that it was unthinkable to replace AV.
I could at least understand that sentiment at the time. But, in retrospect, I can’t see how anybody would think it was the right decision.
In fact, I bet even Ballard himself realizes he goofed. And now we’re stuck with the dilemma of either keeping our fingers crossed every time AV lines up or trying to scramble mid-season to get a kicker who heretofore couldn’t make anybody else’s roster.
This was a self-inflicted unforced error.
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35 minutes ago, ojsglove said:
I never thought Vinny would be the type of guy who would stick it out, knowing he is hurting his team. How he can walk into the locker room, and look his team mates in the eye is beyond me.
I think he’s always said he’d keep playing as long as he was helping the team.
Apparently he didn’t actually mean that.
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31 minutes ago, Mr.Debonair said:
Don't boo Vinny. Boo Ballard for not recognizing the decline or Reich for the blind faith.
Oh please. I’m sure Chris Ballard recognizes the decline. The problem is that he has heretofore declined to do anything about it.
To answer the OP, I think sports fans have the right to be boo-birds. But I also think that it’s tacky and stupid. I would never boo my team.
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3 hours ago, MTC said:
Do I think Colts should move on from Vinatieri? Yes.
Do I think it will happen? No.
The problem trying to do this now is that any kickers worth a darn are on rosters.
We should’ve replaced Vinny before last season when we had our hands on a solid prospect. We didn’t — and for the wrong reasons.
I’ve been on the “move on from Vinny” train for a long time. But even I am skeptical that now is the best time to do it. It’s possible we could do even worse. Then again, that would be hard to do.
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Just now, Happy2BeHere said:
Everyone can keep saying that we lost this game because of all these other plays, well that’s crap to say the least. We lost this game because our kicker can not do his job well enough to be a professional kicker anymore plain and simple. He cost us the chargers game plain and simple and he cost us the Steelers game plain and simple.
someone saying we lost because of other things is irrelevant at this point, make the kick despite all the other garbage and we likely unequivocally win this game. Bottom line.
Vinny was far from the only problem today. Both of our feet are full of self-inflicted gunshot wounds.
Football is the ultimate team sport. And games are 60 minutes long.
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9 minutes ago, masterlock said:
Dude misses a kick practically every game. Odds of him making the kick are basically the same as a coin flip.
Even a lot of the ones he makes are poorly struck.
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1 minute ago, 21isSuperman said:
I've been defending Vinny all season, but he's really showing his age. Wouldn't be a bad idea to look at some alternative options
I can’t understand why anybody has been defending him. He’s been a growing problem going back to last season. It’s painfully obvious.
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Just now, Fisticuffs111 said:
Look, I don't trust Vinny much either, but the laces were in. Not many kickers are gonna make that at all.
I agree. That miss is more on Sanchez than Vinny.
But it’s still past time for Vinny to hang it up.
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1 hour ago, Shadow_Creek said:
Not sure if anyone posted this but Cromartie says Colts let him go due to him Kneel back in 2016 pretty odd that he would come out with this now instead of back then
He’s comparing flipping the bird to the country to expressing support for their coach battling cancer? That’s...bizarre.
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1 hour ago, Nadine said:
Yeah, I almost went to bed instead of watching the rest of this game. It was very late and I had to work the next day and we were losing badly.
SO, glad I stayed!
https://www.colts.com/video/top-moments-in-colts-history-the-comeback-in-tampa
I did go to bed, had a staff meeting early in the AM.
I came into work the next morning assuming the Colts had lost. Before the meeting began, several people were talking about the game in a way that was...strange. I made a comment that suggested the Colts had lost and a guy said “You didn’t watch the end, did you?”
Talk about mixed feelings - thrilled that the Colts pulled it out, kicking myself for not getting to watch them do it.
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1 minute ago, King Colt said:
In contrast, watching the Stros dominating Washington with two out in the bottom of the ninth the hometown fans stayed until the last out. Maybe those Colts "fans" are having trouble accepting JB as the new kid in town. "some broken hearts never heal."
I certainly wouldn’t consider this scientific evidence, but I’ve yet to run into a Colts fan who has had a negative word to say about Jacoby. And I’ve had dozens such conversations since Luck’s announcement.
I’ve heard people say they think we’d be better with Luck. And that’s certainly understandable. But nobody who was down about Jacoby.
I suspect people were leaving because it looked like a loss and the team just didn’t play their best game yesterday.
Fans do those sorts of things, and often regret it. I know a Cardinals fan who left Busch Stadium in the middle of the 8th inning of Game 6 of the 2011 World Series — the Rangers were up 3 games to 2 and led the game 7-4.
He said he just couldn’t bear to watch his beloved team lose the WS at home. He’s never stopped kicking himself ever since.
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I think it’s way too early to be making this kind of judgment — on Rock, Greedy, or any other rookie.
Obviously, Rock made a number of very costly mistakes today. But he also drew the assignment of defending their best receiver in Desir’s absence. Let’s see what Coaches Gannon and Williams can do to make him a better player. I think there’s a lot of potential there.
Remember the clip from when the Dolphins threw in the towel on Vontae Davis?
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2 hours ago, New Zealands #1 Colts Fan said:
if you didnt know the score and read this thread you would think the colts lost and are 0-7
I think it’s to be expected that people would be concerned about how poorly we played today. It’s not a 1 game season.
If this had the Super Bowl, and all that mattered was whether we won or lost, I suspect there wouldn’t be too much criticism. But we’ve got a long way to go...and the way we played today isn’t going to get it done against better competition.
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2 minutes ago, Colt Overseas said:
We will take the W and agree to forget about this game like it never happened.
Good point. It reminded me of the Jags game last year. Only this time, we found a way to win....which is good.
And I do think film should offer the coaches a whole lot of opportunities to spot and address mistakes....especially penalties.
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Just now, mahagga73 said:
I was responding to the one you responded too. Sorry. Messed up.
I get it.
Thank God we came out with a victory. Denver’s D was terrific today. We simply couldn’t get the ball downfield very often. Their pass coverage was fantastic.
Hopefully, we can use this game as a learning and growing experience for our younger guys.
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53 minutes ago, Jdubu said:
We have certainly let a few good ones go but AV wasn’t this bad or even a 1/132 of this bad. Wasn’t time, now it’s definitely time. AV is still a HOF guy. He is just a huge liability now and have no trust he will win that clutch game anymore.
One I’ve seen today was iffy but most should have been called. Thing is, the other side was not getting called for these things and other fouls.
The warning signs with Vinny have been evident for quite some time.
Yes, I’m ecstatic that he hit the game-winner. But let’s not forget why it had to be a game-winner.
We shouldn’t have to be holding our breath on PATs. But we are. And anybody who says this is a recent thing hasn’t been paying attention. He just seems to be making iffy contact too often....and that was the case most of last year, too.
Are the Colts starting to crumble?
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I generally agree with all this. We were dealt a big blow to begin the season and the injury bug has bitten us worse than what might be considered normal. We’ve been thumped not only by the “who”, but also then “when”, the “what”, and the “how long”.
But I also think we should (but won’t) consider other options at QB in the off-season and should’ve (but didn’t) wish Vinatieri a happy retirement some time ago.