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6 hours ago, LuckyHorseShoe§ said:
I said this earlier in the game thread and I’ll say it here: Don’t dwell on the what-ifs. We could shout into the void for eternity about what-ifs for the last two years of Colts football alone. It’s not worth the time and negativity.
Having said that, yes AV struggled. But are we really going to let one lousy game serve as grounds to exile him like some seem to want? He played a poor game, so what? Peyton played poor games too and lost us some as well. And for those saying it started for AV back in KC, do you remember anyone who played well in KC? Luck sure didn’t, and most others didn’t either.
Give the man another week or two before we kick one of the best of all time to the curb, if not for principle than at least for what he’s done for us over the years.
A) It hasn’t just been one bad game. His previous game was bad, too. And even prior to that, many of the kicks he did make were marginally struck.
B) Two of the kicks he missed yesterday were chip shots.
C) If the guy we’re talking about was named Sam Jones, it wouldn’t be a debate. It shouldn’t be just because he’s who he is.
D) Vinny himself has long said that he’ll continue kicking as long as he’s still good at it. So if he’s not had thoughts that maybe that day has come, he should be.
What matters in this game is a player’s effectiveness right now....for the next game...for the upcoming season. What you’ve done up to this point, for however long you’ve done it, can only get you so far.
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2 minutes ago, Superman said:
AV has always been prone to a bad miss or two. His entire career.
Those misses today were killers. Probably the difference in the game. And maybe he is done. But so far, it's just one bad game, which we've seen from him at times throughout his career.
It’s actually two bad games in a row — each with costly misses.
And, beyond that, he made a lot of kicks that were marginal last season. Yes, they went in. But it was kinda like watching Peyton throw ducks in his last season at Denver.
Vinny needs to hang it up. Should’ve done it either before or after last season. There’s a real chance he’ll continue to hurt our team this year if he hangs on.
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3 minutes ago, 21isSuperman said:
Did you also want to cut Peyton Manning when he threw 6 picks against the Chargers? Bad games happen. These guys are human. If he has multiple bad games, then maybe it's time for him to retire or for the Colts to move on. But one bad game doesn't mean he's done. I'm not saying he's still elite. I'm just saying it's too early to say he's done.
Too early? He’s 46!
He’d never have missed those kicks 10 years ago and everybody knows it.
And combine it with his misses in the KC game.
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5 minutes ago, jvan1973 said:
That's right. I wouldn't be surprised if he doesn't miss another kick this year. They should have let him kick in the preseason. We will see. If he has another game like this, they will bring in some kickers
My point is that it’s stupid to retain any player who obviously isn’t the best option anymore, just because they’re the GOAT.
What they’ve done in the past has nothing to do with how effective they are today.
And it’s been obvious for a while that Vinny isn’t a very good kicker anymore. It happens to everybody at some point.
They should’ve let him go a year ago.
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1 minute ago, jvan1973 said:
That was in the off season, not after week 1. He was also coming off of spinal surgery. Terrible analogy
But your reasoning for him not being cut is that “he’s the GOAT.”
And besides, we’ve passed up not one but two chances to move on from Vinatieri during the past two off-seasons. Why? Because he’s the GOAT!
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1 minute ago, jvan1973 said:
He is the GOAT. He isn't getting cut. Here may retire, but I doubt it. He knows he had a bad game. He won't go out like that.
Don’t forget that we let Peyton Manning go. He didn’t retire then.
The fact that he’s the GOAT has clouded everybody’s thinking — including, apparently, Irsay, Ballard, and Reich.
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24 minutes ago, Detectacon said:
He absoultely let everyone down today. He lost this game single-handily....IMHO.
Its just not the way I’d put it. If he’d have made a stupid penalty or something like that, I’d use that term.
But he just shouldn’t still be kicking. He should’ve been released when they set the roster last season — and we should’ve held on to Badgley. Then he should’ve been released after KC.
They’ve held onto him because of who he is rather than him still being the best option for the team.
I’m more angry at Ballard for hanging onto him than I am at him for missing kicks.
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2 minutes ago, FanFromtheWasteland said:
This loss is on him plain and simple.
Or on Ballard for keeping him. It’s not Vinatieri’s job to set the roster.
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Just now, Nesjan3 said:
i can't help but think its one of those cases where a hall of fame player, grade A guy just stays in the game too long
Fans can afford to be sentimental. GMs can’t. It was a mistake to keep Vinny going into last season when we had our hands on a good up and comer in Badgley.
Now we’re probably stuck with AV for the rest of the season. It’s Ballard’s only major personnel mistake, IMO. And it lost us the game today.
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19 minutes ago, Detectacon said:
Vinny let everyone down regardless of how this ends.
I’ve been saying we should get rid of Vinny since even before the KC debacle. Today’s debacle only solidifies that opinion.
But I wouldn’t say that he “let everyone down.” He just shouldn’t be out there anymore. It’s obvious and has been for a while.
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4 minutes ago, SteelCityColt said:
Conjecture.
Well, yeah. Thus the word “probably.”
But, if he wouldn’t have retired upon being asked, they could’ve released him (or just not extended him).
Either way, they should’ve gotten a new kicker. That’s the bottom line.
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Just now, SteelCityColt said:
Vinny is an interesting case, everything historically points to him being long done, but even on a down season last year he was better than a lot of starting kickers.
it would be tough PR for the Colts to cut him, better he had bowed out on his terms.
If they’d have asked, he probably would’ve. But they didn’t.
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3 minutes ago, jameszeigler834 said:
Time for a new kicker.
It’s past time, actually.
Badgley kicked well for us in last year’s preseason. Should’ve cut Vinny then. Then we had a second opportunity after the KC fiasco. Signed him again.
Its the biggest personnel mistake of Ballard’s tenure so far.
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1 minute ago, MPStack said:
My only gripe thus far, is the Colts needs a new kicker.
I started a thread to that effect toward the end of last season. Most posters here treated me like a heretic for it.
The time comes in every athlete’s career. And AV’s came some time in the last 12 months or so. We could’ve had Badgley last year — and should’ve.
It was a mistake by Ballard, rooted in sentimentality.
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This sounds like somebody trying to make a “bold” and contrarian prediction so as to stand out from the thundering herd.
But, that said, here’s to hoping he’s at least in the ballpark. I’m not quite that optimistic. But I’m also not as pessimistic as many people are — both on Jacoby and on the Colts.
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12 minutes ago, Qwiz said:
No one is untradeable. Unless your name is Patrick Mahomes or Aaron Donald.
Unless they fall off in a big way, you aren’t going to see Bakhtiari, Whitworth, or Tyron Smith (to name three) on the trading block anytime soon.
It’s as critical a position as there is on a roster. And guys that good are really, really hard to come by. Their names may not be as well-known as Mahomes or Donald, but GMs don’t care about that...nor should they.
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1 minute ago, csmopar said:
Yeah and they got an RB and a stud at LT, question becomes, is that enough to protect Watson, seemed to me they had more issues than just LT
That’s true — except for the part about Tunsil being a “stud.” He’s a good LT with a better upside. But if he was actually a stud, Miami would never have let him go. True stud LTs are gold in this league.
That said, it’s a significant improvement over what they had.
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1 minute ago, PrincetonTiger said:
You trade 2 future 1st Rounders and a 2nd Rounder for 2 guys over 25
It reminds me of a MLB Trade Deadline Desperation deal
Deshaun spent a lot of time looking at the sky last season. With what ended up happening to Luck, you can see why they would do almost anything to help that.
I’m not defending the trades. They got fleeced, hard. But with reason.
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3 minutes ago, PrincetonTiger said:
BOB just leveraged the future on a few years
True. But Clowney (and their lack of a solid OT) put them in a no-win situation.
That said, they should never have been in that situation. And that’s probably got a lot to do with them firing Gaine.
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...on second thought. Maybe not.
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3 hours ago, 1959Colts said:
I’d be happier with Hoyer than all the ones they’ve considered thus far. He’s only 33 (and already been on about 7 or 8 teams).
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1 hour ago, shastamasta said:
My theory...Tua ends up in MIA...and Lawrence somehow ends up with the Raiders...just in time for the move to Vegas.
I would have put Herbert in SEA to replace Wilson...who was traded...but his contract extension basically ensures he is a Seahawks for a few years before trading him is viable...though I suppose he could always agree to rework his to facilitate a trade.
Lawrence won’t be in next year’s draft. That doesn’t mean he won’t eventually end up with the Raiders, of course.
The early view for 2020 is that Miami, Cincy, and the Raiders will be looking to draft QBs — the Top 3 being Tua, Herbert, and Fromm. TB and Jax may be looking too, depending how things go with Winston and Foles this year.
But that’s all very dynamic, of course.
Point is: if things don’t work out with Brissett and the other two, we aren’t going to be the only ones in the QB market. And we may not be well positioned to get one of the top 3 in the 2020 draft.
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On 8/26/2019 at 12:28 AM, shastamasta said:
Sure would have been nice to have known this back in March...hindsight and all. Could have just signed Foles and still had a legit shot at having a great season IMO...or who knows what the draft would have looked like.
My hope is that Brissett is not plan A. I will gladly take some lumps this season to have a legit shot at hand-picking a franchise QB in the draft.
We might have a shot at Fromm. But I think it’s unlikely we’re going to be bad enough to get a shot at either Tua or Herbert...not without spending a lot of draft capital, anyway.
And it’s likely that several teams (Dolphins, Bengals, Raiders maybe) are going to be doing everything they can to get either Tua or Herbert.
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2 hours ago, Dudley Smith said:
There is no one available that we could get short-term (that we know of) that would be worth trading for.
But that’s the rub, innit? Why do you think that guys like Fitzpatrick, Flacco, Keenum, Cousins, Bradford etal always seem to end up finding gigs? And what makes you think we have a better magic wand than the teams that have signed them?
You make it sound so easy to draft a franchise quarterback....as if we should just decide to do it next year if Jacoby doesn’t make the grade.
This is what I mean when I say that Colts fans have been spoiled having Manning, and (to a lesser extent) Luck, and even Harbaugh all these years. Do you realize how hard it is to find the franchise QB and how long some teams have been looking for theirs in vain?
I don’t mean to be a Debbie Downer. But we may now be walking into a storm that many teams have been stuck in for quite some time and we haven’t been in for decades.
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Adam Vinatieri (Merge)
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“(Vinatieri) is the one guy I’m not worried about. We have the greatest kicker of all-time.” — Frank Reich
This is a troubling comment from Coach Reich. You know, Morten Andersen is in the Hall of Fame. Why not bring him out of retirement to kick? Why not put Robert Mathis on the DLine to help our pass rush?
Simple, because they can’t do today what they used to do very well.
Just because Adam has long been able to reliably kick a ball through the uprights doesn’t mean he still can be relied on. We all may hope he can. But hope isn’t a substitute for a sound plan.