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I don't know where people are getting the idea that Belichick wanted to trade Brady, but was told to trade Garopollo instead. If anything I think he wanted to hang on to both of them, but he's probably not buying in to the idea of Brady playing until his mid-40s. At least not at a high enough level to keep him entrenched as the starter.
I'm not sure if I even believe the notion that Kraft mandated the trade to Belichick. That would certainly be inconsistent with everything Kraft has ever said publicly about how he runs his team. If you've followed this team closely, you're probably inclined to agree. Kraft doesn't meddle, he learned his lesson with that when Parcells was here.
Either way, the Patriots are a team that has no equal when it comes to playing through distractions. No matter whether it was one of the "gates," the Aaron Hernandez arrest/trial/etc, or whatever... we've heard this narrative before. Eventually it will be accurate, and the Patriots will be "just another team." But until it happens, I wouldn't bet against them.
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You can't trust a guy who looks like this.
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Just now, aaron11 said:
they have, but this thread said they could never do it
I honestly wasn't aware of it before and had to look it up.
I would think, in this day and age, they'd be less likely to pull it off. I mean in 1963 most NFL players had second jobs they worked in the offseason.
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The "college all-stars" have gone a long time without a win...
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3 hours ago, crazycolt1 said:
Maybe but Brady really didn't use him to his strengths. I do agree he didn't fit into the Pats offensive system but he might with the Rams. We will see.
Don't get me wrong here. I didn't say Cooks is not a good receiver. I just said that he's not in the same category as the league's dominant guys (OBJ, Julio Jones, AJ Green, etc).
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On 4/5/2018 at 5:57 PM, crazycolt1 said:
I can't agree with your assessment of what Cook can do.
67 catches for 42 first downs. Averaging 16.6 a catch tells me he is capable of going down field.
Brady has shortened his passes by using more passes to the RBs and 5-10 yard quick passes. The majority of his longer passes go to Gronk.
With Hogan in the picture Cooks was expendable while dumping off Cooks contract.
Hogan's been in the picture since 2015... he's more of an outside guy but he's not exactly a consistent deep threat. But with Cooks, this is one of those cases where stats can be a little deceiving. I'm not saying he's bad, I'm just saying he's not in the top tier group league-wide, IMO. I'd maybe put him in my top 15.
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Cooks was productive but he's not the type of WR who can take over a game. He disappears for long stretches and doesn't handle contact very well. He's obviously a burner, but even with his top-end speed, he doesn't track the ball well on long throws the way a typical deep threat would. He was deadly on those WR sweeps inside the 10-yard line, and a nice piece to have in your offense. But he wasn't a dominant, bonafide #1 receiver, and will probably get paid like one after this year is up.
This isn't a case of my mind changing about a player that my team traded. I would have given the same assessment of Cook at this time last year. I happened to own him for two seasons in a FF league with keepers, so I followed his production pretty closely with New Orleans. A lot of times he was a feast or famine guy. That continued last year in NE.
I read that he'll probably get around $14M/season when his deal is up. Maybe LA tries to extend him, I don't know. But there's no way the Patriots would pay top dollar in this case.
So, they dealt him when they were able to sell high.
Their 1st rounders, by formula, could get them as high as pick #9. They have two seconds as well (SF's and their own) so there's a chance BB moves up. But I doubt they'd go all in and trade three (or even 4) picks in the first two rounds to get just one guy. They need some youth. And they only drafted 4 (IIRC) players last year, not all of whom are still around.
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4 minutes ago, 2006Coltsbestever said:
14-13 isn't that bad in reality, 14 wins is a lot and our record is above .500. Regarding the Pats they blocked us twice from going to the SB in 2003 and 2014 otherwise we may have 3 SB wins is how most of us look at it.
Oh yeah I agree, any playoff record that's >.500 is pretty dang good. Those wins don't come easy.
I was more just saying that "those dastardly cheating Patriots" have really only knocked your team out those four times, twice in the Manning era (avenged in '06 and during PM's time in Denver) and twice in the Luck era. Those last two were not really even close.
Haven't the Chargers eliminated the Colts just as many times? Or the Steelers? I honestly can't remember and don't want to look it up at the moment lol...
Hope you're enjoying the offseason. Only a little more than five months to go until 2018! Haha...
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The Colts are 14-13 in the playoffs since the 1999 season. Only four of those 13 losses came to the Patriots.
You can say what you want about 2013 and 2014, but the combined score of those two games was 88-29. I don't think any objective football observer would have a hard time telling you in either case who the far superior team was.
Not sure you can really blame New England for Indy's postseason woes.
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1 hour ago, dgambill said:
Yep...never know when a guy will become available 4,5,7 years down the road...or in a trade. Plus Bill is a defensive genius....who better to put him through the drills for teams to get a sense of his talent then Bill. He knows a pass rusher when he sees one. LT, Willie McGinnest etc.
Exactly, sir!
At the very least he gets a chance to scout (in person) a player who could be a top-10 defensive guy in the league... it's not always just about who you're drafting.
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1) It’s not all that uncommon for or teams to meet with players they have no shot at drafting. You’re scouting them for future reference and for the possibility of playing against them.
2) The Patriots don’t have the ammo to go from 31 to top 5 without trading Brady or Gronk.
3) As others have pointed out, maybe this guy is a free agent in 4 years or doesn’t work out for the team that drafts him.
4) All due respect for the past, but do you really think Belichick spends much time thinking about the Colts right now? I mean no offense, but c’mon. Things are trending up for you guys but there were two playoff teams in your division last year that currently stand as more of a conference threat right now.
5) Even 1st round holdouts are rare these days with slotted salaries in place.
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9 hours ago, Jaric said:
From here on out, this thread will be about the activities that would be a more realistic theory of what Belichick is doing with his time than scheming ways to sabotage the Colts.
I'll start.
Converting both offensive and defensive playbooks from English to interpretive dance.
Jazzercise.
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Making a list like this without considering post-season accomplishments is beyond stupid. How can you judge someone like Michael Jordan without considering his playoff resume? Or Wayne Gretzsky? Or basically any top player from any sport?
The reason guys play the game is to win championships. That is the goal of every player, on every team. Tell me any QB in history wouldn't swap careers with Brady...
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The Patriots need some help in the front seven. Shelton won't make a difference all by himself, but he'll provide depth and is a good piece to have moving forward. As they usually do, the Patriots won't go out and sign or draft one player who is a difference-maker by himself. They get role players, and Shelton will have a role. He's basically their replacement for Branch.
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This happens a lot. I think the last time the Patriots had a top-12 pick it was Jerod Mayo, which was a pick they picked up in a trade with SF. But Bill often meets with (and works out) players who are top 20 picks who have no chance of falling to the Patriots, who are usually picking in the last four spots.
Whether it's just a matter of getting scouting info on players (as opponents) or research for possible future acquisitions, I don't know and can't say.
But it's not at all uncommon.
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On 3/5/2018 at 10:30 PM, NFLfan said:
@GoPats Would you be interested in participating? The Pats are still available.
@Track Guy Hope all is well. It's been a while since I last crossed paths with you here... Would you be interested in playing in this mock draft again this year?
@GOZER Are you interested in playing with us again this year?
Hey there! Thank you, but I'm all over the place work-wise these next few weeks. Have fun with it!
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16 hours ago, southwest1 said:
Most definitely. Bill is extremely close to the vest about his real plans moving forward about himself or Brady. However, when an HC parts ways with Chandler Jones, Lawyer Milloy, Logan Mankins; & he doesn't allow Malcolm Butler to play in any quarter of the last SB--nobody is untouchable even TB12.
If Joe Montana & Peyton Manning can finish their HOF careers elsewhere, no field general is invincible or bullet proof anymore. Trading Jimmy G. almost guarantees Brady will finish his career in Foxboro yes, I will admit. But, you never know either.
I wouldn't say Brady is untouchable, but he did just win the MVP and was one of the league's top QBs wire-to-wire. I don't think BB was in any hurry to get rid of him. If anything, he may have wanted to keep Jimmy G. around for another 2-3 years, but that wasn't feasible of course.
It would shock me if Brady is given the same treatment as Milloy, Mankins, etc. Don't forget, not all of the "old" Patriots went out that way. Tedy Bruschi, Troy Brown, Kevin Faulk... those guys all retired under amicable, mutually agreeable terms. It's not like BB sends EVERY single vet packing at some point.
I'll predict, boldly or otherwise, that Brady falls into the later category when it's time for him to hang 'em up.
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1 hour ago, midwest said:
Not trolling at all. There was a ton of people on here saying that the Pats should be losing draft pics after coaching fiasco. Thought it was interesting that it was exactly the opposite of what people were thinking.
I didn’t click the link but I assume this is about a compensatory pick? That’s just a formula based on free agent losses and gains, there’s nothing subjective about it.
There was never ever any chance that the Patriots would lose picks because of the McDaniels situation.
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On 2/20/2018 at 4:06 PM, Finball said:
Both of them actually played in an offense designed by the same guy: Kyle Shanahan.
For RG3, Kyle couldn't run his regular scheme. He scrapped it completely and basically inserted RG3s Baylor offense. Lot of zone reads, half-field reads etc. RG3 made the most spectacular plays with his legs, Not with his feet or mind. He wasn't good enough at reading the defense, go through his reads, throwing the football accurately nor did have good enough pocket presence to run an actual NFL offense, let alone, something like Shanahan runs.
Garoppolo did most of his damage from the pocket. He was poised, accurate, moved well in the pocket, didn't make a lot of bad decisions and played like one of the best QBs in the league after he got the starting job. His #1 receiver was Marquise Goodwin. Even for Matt Ryan it took about an year to get comfortable in Shanahans scheme. For Jimmy it took few weeks.
9ers won't go 16-0, it's still a small sample size but I see basically no way that Garoppolo isn't going to be successful. There is no adjusting for defense (like there was for Kaep and RG3) when the guy is a an accurate pocket passer and makes smart decisions. He was anything but carried by a supporting cast, as he had crappy weapons and the team was like 1-10 when he took over.
This is all true and I think my earlier post came off wrong... I didn’t intend to make it sound like I thought JG would be a bust or anything. He looks like the real deal for sure.
Durability may be a concern but time will tell.
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On 2/20/2018 at 4:03 PM, southwest1 said:
BB was gonna go with Jimmy G buddy starting this upcoming season had Kraft not put his foot down & said trade him pronto. That's the only thing that really mattered. Okay sure, part of it was wanting to win without Brady just to prove Bill's greatness. You know, that he can win a ring without TB12.
I agree that there is some inflated hype around Jimmy GP, but the kid does make good decisions late in games; a trait he clearly has & inevitably learned from Brady.
Yeah I didn’t really mean to bash Jimmy G there, he’s been fantastic and it looks like he’s got a very bright future.
Regarding the bolded part though, I wouldn’t necessarily believe everything you’ve read about BB’s intentions with his QBs. Belichick is insanely private and secretive and the notion that anyone butbhim knew what he had planned for 2018 is hard to swallow.
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Honestly, I don’t think this is unusual for the Patriots. I don’t think they always send their coordinators to the combine. Belichick doesn’t have a lot of regard for the whole process and seems to get more out of going to pro days at various schools. Not trying to defend McDaniels here but I think this is only a story because of what happened with the Colts.
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I like Garoppolo and always have, but...
There is less film on him than there was on RG3 when the later was the "omg look at this kid he's the future of the league!" popular.
I don't think Garoppolo will hit a brick wall next year but I also don't think the 49ers are going to go 16-0. It's still a small sample size, no matter how you look at it.
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On 2/14/2018 at 3:08 PM, Dilger85 said:
No, but I would imagine that conflicting or unconfirmed information contributes to the retraction. I would make the assumption that they shouldn't have ran the story in the first place as they might not have had enough confirmed evidence.
The point still stands though, just because they didn't get caught doesn't mean they didn't do it.
That last statement is perfect. Just perfect.
So, just because an allegation is unfounded and unproven, it doesn't mean the Patriots didn't do it?
lmao.
Do you have any idea how messed up that statement is?
I hope you're never on jury duty if I have to go to trial...
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27 minutes ago, Dilger85 said:
Says Goodell, not a great track record. What's Walsh going to say, "I know you didn't catch us red-handed like you did with the Jets, but we did it to other teams also". Didn't the evidence get destroyed in that case without anyone other than Goodell and the Pats knowing what was on the tapes? Not being caught is not the same as being not guilty.
Do you understand what it takes to have a major newspaper print a retraction?
Just asking you an honest question here.
Hilarious Phillip Dorsett article
in NFL General
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Considering how thin the Patriots are at the WR position right now, it's not as much of a stretch as one might think. Someone's got to get the targets.
Aside from that, haven't you guys spent the last few years complaining about Pagano? If a guy is coached up right, it can make all the difference in the world. I don't think anyone is predicting 90 catches, 1200 yards, and 10 TDs for him, but I could see Dorsett catching at least 50 balls and ending up somewhere in the 800-yard range with a handful of TDs.