Naptown Lifer

February 16, 2014

I think they were better than either team you mention. Did you see what Seattle did to Denver? Hell, the Colts beat KC and what happened when they played Arizona?

This logic is a merry go round

Well what happened when the colts played the 49ersand Seahawks who had a combined 3 wins against the cardinals? So they are better than them and we'll just row that game out the window to use your logic

February 16, 2014

So.. IndyGal does the same thing you did to me and she's a "smart butt"? Come on. You're really grasping now

Oh, and the above that's bolded shows how. Correcting* me.

Huh

I wasn't chastising her for pointing out who did the report

I was chastising her because she said you should learn how to read or something like that and went on to say how I was wrong about a criminal attorney doing it and posted a link to the attorney which at the bottom credited him with being a criminal attorney (which she was making fun of me for saying a criminal attorney did it)

I don't know how the above bonded shows anything other than I was right but I don't think anyone understands that mumbled garbage you posted trying to sound smart so I. Not going to try to understand what "the above posted bolded shows how correcting me" means

February 16, 2014

You had just criticized me for saying he was a private investigator. lol

Yep and since you never read let me go back and restate everything

I said they hired a criminal attorney and maybe a litigation attorney was more appropriate

Indy gal responds with a smart butt ""oh maybe if you read they are litigation attorneys!!!" And posted a huge long link about the attorney in question. Sure enough at the very bottom it says he's also a criminal attorney

Now do you understand I'm tired of re explaining old posts so because you don't read them and therefore don't get the context in which I am speaking

February 16, 2014

If one reads the report, there is actually a section referring to witness privacy. It discusses why players are not named.
But if I understand correctly, you don't think the report is truthful anyway. There's really no point in engaging in any kind of discourse about this topic.
You don't like Martin and don't want the Colts to even consider him. You don't think the bullying story is true and that Martin is just a wimp.
Duly noted.

So you gotta find something new to say after the whole "he's a litigation attorney I so smaaaaart" statements I understand. I'm not exaggerating when I say that is the biggest fail I have ever seen on a forum I'm emailing it to everyone and showing people my friend just squirted scotch out his nose reading it just FYI. I don't want you to hurt yourself trying to make witty remarks

Everyone knows where I stand and no one has presented definitive evidence to change my mind. I think people are innocent until proven guilty, not guilty until proven innocent and that is the direction this country is headed and I'm sick of it.

I have personal reasons as to why I don't believe marti and am biased feel free to pm and maybe you'll at least understand why I am so passionate about it (it's loosely related and doesn't have to do with bullying or racism)

There's nothing definitive in that piece of junk to prove anything. A bunch if contradictory statements. You guys need to learn innocent till proven otherwise because that concept has started to go down the toilet with our society and the media. I don't think a bunch of masked faces saying contradictory statements proves anything definitively if you do then I pray you are not a politician

Everyone knows my stance I'm done defending it feel free to pm

February 16, 2014

Your attempt to make me look and/or feel foolish has failed. Nice try, though. :clap:

Oh so it wasn't you that went on a huge rant about how I should learn to read because I said the guy was a criminal attorney, and you said he was a litigator

And then it credited him with being a criminal attorney at the bottom of the page

Nice try though

February 15, 2014

IWhen we talk about these top QBs you can take two approaches. You can draft your franchise QB before you build the defense and the offensive line (Luck and Newton) or you can build your great defense and line and then bring in your QB on a rookie contract to run the team (Kaep, Wilson and Flacco). It is obvious that the 49er, Seahawk and Raven approach has gotten to and won Super Bowls. I personally think the plan of the 49ers, Ravens and Seahawks is the way to go.

We'll I don't know why you choose to bash the colts continuously for picking luck when all those people you mentioned picked a qb as soon as they took over that wasn't even close to luck

February 15, 2014

Considering the aging Mathis is the best OLB by far and the only real pass rushing threat at this point, OLB is a need.

Yes it is but it is a need that might already be filled seeing as how we invested a first round pick in a collegiate pass rusher

I'd rather fill needs that are pressing right now than fill needs that are going to be pressing in a few years that also have a good chance of not even being needs and just ignore the gaping holes we have currently.

February 15, 2014

Nope.

You're right teams that fail to make the playoffs are better than teams that do

How is u so smart??,!?

February 15, 2014

It's one part. Go read the rest of it, including the texts.

Oh I did did you?

What about the texts where incognito was supporting martin checking into a mental hospital and supports him and martin volunteers the info, why do that after you left to the big bad wolf?

He had no reason to keep talking to incognito after he left but he did, couldn't have been that bad huh?

And he says oh no drugs for me anymore during season, which shows his use during season, no thanks for all you colts fans that want him don't need another teammate suspended for that makes me kind of useless

February 15, 2014

It is objective. It constantly shows what many players thought throughout the whole thing, g

How can this possibly be an objective analysis of what players thought the whole time with this

Never did i say that players were quoted saying things and their opinions on the matter. But a large part of the report is constructed through the views and ideas of the players in the locker room,

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. Most of them reported that they did not believe that Martin had been singled out for harsher treatment and that, in general, they did not believe that vulgar language was used on the offensive line to harm or demean.
A few players said that they believed that Martin was treated better than other rookies because he was a starter

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February 15, 2014

Never did i say that players were quoted saying things and their opinions on the matter. But a large part of the report is constructed through the views and ideas of the players in the locker room, including texts between Incognito, Pouncey, Martin and other players on the offensive line. Most of these i can't copy and past into here because it is a family friendly forum. Specifically, players aren't named, like Dustin said, but please look at this small part:

"Other members of the Dolphins offensive line in 2012 and 2013 told us that they had heard vulgar language used frequently. Most of them reported that they did not believe that Martin had been singled out for harsher treatment and that, in general, they did not believe that vulgar language was used on the offensive line to harm or demean. A few players said that they believed that Martin was treated better than other rookies because he was a starter, and they reported that other linemen, specifically Nate Garner and Josh Samuda, seemed to “get it worse.” Some linemen recalled hearing comments about Martin’s sister, but most denied hearing such remarks made frequently.
On the other hand, several linemen, whose statements we credited, corroborated Martin’s account that he routinely had been spoken to harshly and said they understood why he was offended. And several players we interviewed from other units on the team suggested that the vulgar language Martin complained about was over the top and was not common elsewhere among the Dolphins."

Any way you look at it, the situation isn't good. Like i said before, this report heavily cites what other players thought of the culture, and it presents views from both sides of the story. Quit acting condescending and demeaning when you yourself only nitpick with the fact that i said he was a private investigator.

So it says un named players thought it wasn't a big deal, and other unnamed players thought it was, wow that is just definitive proof right there.... Especially with all the direct quotes. This just sounds so subjective of what the interviewer thought happened and isn't concrete at all. We don't know what the players thought, this is just the investigators interpretation. This wouldn't hold up in court at all.

How does this confirm what players thought all along when when this first broke everyone said nothing bad happened, and now there's highly conflicting views without even sufficient proof that anyone said those things to jump to those conclusions because there is no quotes.

February 15, 2014

i would love if we start our own leagin of boom, with Keith McGill ,and Stanley jean Baptiste

Ithat would be awesome in new to scouting players and probably suck, but I like skov he's tough and nasty and wraps up, good at run support which is exactly what we need

I did hear that McGill is good in press and baptiste not so much so McGill prolly fits our scheme better

I'd. Take McGill in the 2nd but we need bailey to fill our safety need so I chanced him falling to fifth but that probably won't happen because it seems his stock is rising

February 15, 2014

So did you drive your motor home to Miami, so as to keep up with this story. Or are you still in Texas?

Funny? I actually am in florida though

February 15, 2014

Kind of dumb, how many olbers do we freaking need? It doesn't even mention safety with bethea situation or ilb or d line. We should build our d through draft and fill the couple holes on offense with free agents, since chucks specialty is getting the most out of defenders

Maybe

2nd skov

3 Dion Bailey

5 Coleman/baptiste/McGill hopefully one of me is there still

6 boa

7 bpa

Then sign that center from Detroit to give Holmes someone to help his development or in case he's not ready, short deal

And sign Hakeem nicks or another receiver to a modest "prove it" deal

Arthur jones

We'd be set

February 15, 2014

Just a little homework from someone who hasn't read the full report: The people hired by the NFL are litigation attorneys.

Facts are not that hard to come by when one does a little reading. I recommend it be tried sometime.

From nfldolphinsreport.com:

On November 6, 2013, the National Football League announced that Ted Wells and the law firm of Paul, Weiss, Rifkind, Wharton & Garrison LLP had been retained to direct an independent investigation into workplace conduct at the Miami Dolphins and prepare a public report for the Commissioner.

From Wikipedia:

Paul, Weiss, Rifkind, Wharton & Garrison LLP is a law firm headquartered on Sixth Avenue in New York City. The firm has an well-established background in corporate, personal representation, entertainment law and litigation practices.

From paulweiss.com:

Theodore V. Wells Jr.
Partner
New York
212-373-3089
twells@paulweiss.com
LITIGATION FCPA INTERNAL INVESTIGATIONS PRODUCT LIABILITY M&A LITIGATION PROFESSIONAL LIABILITY SECURITIES LITIGATION WHITE COLLAR CRIME & REGULATORY DEFENSE

Maybe if you take you're own advice and read everything you wouldn't make yourself look so foolish when it says he's also a criminal attorney at the bottom of the page

February 15, 2014

Just a little homework from someone who hasn't read the full report: The people hired by the NFL are litigation attorneys.

Facts are not that hard to come by when one does a little reading. I recommend it be tried sometime.

From nfldolphinsreport.com:

On November 6, 2013, the National Football League announced that Ted Wells and the law firm of Paul, Weiss, Rifkind, Wharton & Garrison LLP had been retained to direct an independent investigation into workplace conduct at the Miami Dolphins and prepare a public report for the Commissioner.

From Wikipedia:

Paul, Weiss, Rifkind, Wharton & Garrison LLP is a law firm headquartered on Sixth Avenue in New York City. The firm has an well-established background in corporate, personal representation, entertainment law and litigation practices.

From paulweiss.com:

Theodore V. Wells Jr.
Partner
New York
212-373-3089
twells@paulweiss.com
LITIGATION FCPA INTERNAL INVESTIGATIONS PRODUCT LIABILITY M&A LITIGATION PROFESSIONAL LIABILITY SECURITIES LITIGATION WHITE COLLAR CRIME & REGULATORY DEFENSE

The media called them criminal attorneys

You realize law firms have a variety of attorneys ranging from criminal, litigators/personal injury, business/tax guys etc

I hope you also realize at the very bottom It says the lawyer who conducted the report is a criminal defense attorney as we'll but good job

I didn't realize he was also a litigator because the media said a criminal attorney conducted the case but I should've figured because many attorneys specialize in 2 things

So get your facts straight, the guy above you are defending said he was a private investigator anyways lol

Thanks for furthering my point people just spew stuff and act like they areinformed

February 15, 2014

And who would have been better than the Cardinals in the AFC? I agree with the original poster that they would have won any division in the AFC. What is it that you are saying "no" to, exactly.

The colts, pats, broncos, Kansas City, Cincy, and maybe chargers

February 15, 2014

Why is it so hard to believe that people have actually read the report?

Because they struggle to come up with any substance from the article besides the most publicized piece from the trainer, and when first asked they wouldn't provide anything wijthout time to put in a fast google search for quotes, and even then couldn't address my main point which was

Why don't the players speak out against mr racist if they are all black?

Then Dustin who read the report says you aren't going to get players named speaking out about this

And mr t.y haze comes along and says the report confirms what the players thought all along even though Dustin said thee were no quotes from named players

So someone didn't read the report and is pretending to because the two people saying they read it have said completely opposite things. Can't have it both ways

February 15, 2014

It is objective. And you saying you haven't read it just further proves my point. It constantly shows what many players thought throughout the whole thing, so instead of asking me to, how about you take about a minute to read a page or two before even replying?

And no, this report isn't just to make fans happy. If you think that, you're just plain ignorant. Again, the NFL hired a private investigator to do this, and it's really well put together.
wrong

This is why I don't believe people read it. Because they just make things up. It constantly shows what players thought throughout the whole thing...hmmm we'll that's interesting g because all the players said incognito didn't do anything too bad, and how does it show what players thought without having any direct quotes from named players about it?

How can you claim to have read something that shows what the players thought, when there is no quotes from the players named

February 15, 2014

That team had been down for quite a while but there are some decent players there. Arians got a good QB and he made it work with the people he inherited. The mark of a great coach. I also agree that they would have been the best team in the AFC.

No

February 15, 2014

Lol, you aren't even worth it. bye

I'll take that as you have no rebuttal to the fact you didn't read the report and presented completely false information

February 15, 2014

He does not want money. The assistant trainer did not want to be involved in this investigation, not because he was culpable, but because he was afraid. I seriously don't understand why you're trying to defend this. No one is out to get Richie. He is not a scapegoat.

You keep mentioning that "all these black players" didn't think Richie was racist. But you're failing to acknowledge that Pouncey was also involved in this situation, which makes his support of Incognito quite easy to understand. And the racial element is only a small part of this investigation anyway.

I disagree I think the media has made two main focal points racism, and bullying/harassment. If the assistant trainer didnt want to be involved in the investigation then he wouldn't have been. That seems like a lot of subjective opinions. Just because he didn't want to answer every question doesn't mean he didn't want to participate, it means he wanted to cover his a$$$ to not lose his $$. How would he lose anymore trust with the players then he alreAdy lost by doing it? That doesn't make sense.

February 15, 2014

No one is making any of this up man. It's not a joke or a poor attempt at humor. It's bullying and cruel. End of story.

Why did the trainer give them headbands to taunt him more? The guy wants $$$ that's all

It's no coincidence no players spoke out, you all can say OH players will never speak out or say something negative about the organization, just look at the Cleveland caveliers something is clearly going on there and everyone is speaking out about how they want out. Why would all these black players choose not to when the whole world is willing to side with them? What motivation do they have for not saying yeah Ritchie's a Bigfoot racist and the on,y one who does that stuff? If he was they would have all the reason in the world to speak out against Him. people love to pull the race card at any opportunity, I just can't get over the fact that not one player on the dolphins is speaking out when they're mostly black and the guy is an accused racist, and the texts between Martin and incognito just further my point.

February 15, 2014

So now that we give you actual quotes and page numbers you want something else. Seems like your just trying to get a rise out of people. You and I as well as the forum all know that the players were supporting incognito, the only problem is; they only saw they surface stuff, i'm sure that they didn't see the text messages or were aware of the vm that were left. Thats okay though, you live in your little bubble where you are right and everyone else is wrong. SMH

Also why would an assistant trainer give them Asian head bands to guys that hated him and mocked his race? This is the nfl if you think these guys aren't going to say this stuff to each other on the field being dead serious instead of joking like Richie u are mistaken. Guys say much worse stuff on the field about people's mother waves and MEAN it. If you can't handle some bad jokes in the locker room u sure as heck can't handle that.

February 15, 2014

So now that we give you actual quotes and page numbers you want something else. Seems like your just trying to get a rise out of people. You and I as well as the forum all know that the players were supporting incognito, the only problem is; they only saw they surface stuff, i'm sure that they didn't see the text messages or were aware of the vm that were left. Thats okay though, you live in your little bubble where you are right and everyone else is wrong. SMH

Yeah and u live in yours where you ignore martins antics as well

And from the beginning I said I wanted player quotes I didn't change my stance at all but you have proven you pick and choose what to read so yeah

Kinda funny how without reading the report I knew no players spoke out, that report doesn't prove squat

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