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3 hours ago, stitches said:
Yeah... Richardson needs players who can separate and who can get open deep. IMO "give the inaccurate QB a contested catch receiver with large catch radius" is one of the tropes that hasn't proven to work well. Contested catches have about 50-55% success rate even with the best of contested catch receivers and with relatively accurate QBs... now if you think AR's accuracy is not good, drop that rate even more. The best way to give a relatively inaccurate QB better chance to complete passes is to give him a WR who separates and and who is open so the QB would have more of a margin for error to throw the ball a little behind or ahead or a little higher or lower than ideal. (we are not talking about uncatchable balls here... those will be uncatchable for anyone really). In that regard, one thing I would agree about is - we need WRs who have good hands and have good ball skills.
And this is ignoring that AR has indeed been pretty good with his accuracy on passes at intermediate and long range. His biggest problem coming into the league was the short stuff and he was already showing improvements in that deparment before he got injured.
And Worthy is the WR who created the most separation from anybody in this draft :
Not to mention as bad as ewers threw him the ball at times he knows how to adjust to badly throw footballs
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2 hours ago, Moosejawcolt said:
I don't think Worthy is a good fit for Richardson's skill set. Think tall with a large catch radius for Richardson to be successful. I don't think u pair a smurf wr with a qb who may have accuracy issues. That's just me
Richardson accuracy on deep balls is his strength. Hence why you pair an elite deep threat in worthy.
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1 hour ago, stitches said:
They are arguing about Worthy I think... about his weight... one of the scouts said "that's why we have strength staff and resources"... Ballard doesn't believe he can get much bigger.... 10-12 pounds... that's pretty much in line with what you hope he will gain...
I think so to worthy also seeks contact at times which is silly seeing a wr that small trying to run over someone
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1 hour ago, Dobbinblitz said:
No doubt Ballard likes Mitchell's 9.98 RAS. I also recently read where Bob McGinn a longtime beat writer for the Packers spoke to scouts about Mitchell. Some Scouts raised concerns to him about his Maturity, Coachability, and his Health. ( I also read His Diabetes may have played a role in some of this.) One scout said he almost uncoachable. I did not think he would be up there on Ballard's board.
Yea I'd prefer to pass on him for Brian thomas, worthy.
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1 hour ago, stitches said:
I really like AD Mitchell's talent. He has some exceptional reps... he gets open all the time... when he actually decides to run his route to the end.
And Burton is pretty good too... he's just a headcase of some sort it seems. He's changed like 7-8 schools since high school...
I like his route running, but for 4.3 guy he plays slow to Me. I feel like he should be running away from guys with that kind of speed. Also he is supposed to be 6,2 but he seems shorter than that.
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3 minutes ago, stitches said:
Here are a few more Reception Perception charts for the WRs:
AD Mitchell:
Jermaine Burton:
Javon Baker:
Ja'Lynn Polk:
I'm not impressed with those guys they don't pass the eye test
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6 minutes ago, krunk said:
Depends on how you're using him. If you're using him how they did at Texas it may work out better. A lot of quick hitters, screens, in the slot, out of bunch formation and what not to go along with your deep shots. Continue using Pierce as the primary deep threat for the contested catches.. I'm not all the way sure I take Worthy in Rd 1 though. Maybe later in Rd 1, but I say 2
Again worthy is so fast he is not being used for contested catches. He is the type of guy that will have elite separation a d score. If you use him for contested catches you not using him right
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1 minute ago, stitches said:
I think you are underestimating Worthy's WR technical proficiency stuff. I think he's better route runner than given credit for. I think he has very sharp and crisp cuts in and out of his routes. I think even thought he's small, he actually plays much more phisical than his size would suggest. I think a ton of his problems and limitations stem from just... being small. And you will have to work around those and that's why I have him as a second rounder and not 1st... but.. yeah. If he gets jammed, he's done... if the defender is there with him at the catch point he's probably not coming away with the ball in that contested ball situation. You will have to move him across the formation, you will have to create free releases for him, you will pretty much never want to put him at X where defenders can put their hands on him before he's even made a step or two... but I think he can be really dangerous and dynamic player if you have a creative offensive coach that can use his strengths and try not to put him in compromising positions where his weaknesses are highlighted. IF we draft him, I have no doubt Steichen will have a good plan and idea about how to use him.
Worthy pair with Richardson arm would be a nightmare for rest of nfl. If Chiefs get him the entire league will regret letting it happen.
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19 minutes ago, Dobbinblitz said:
Yet another team looking to move up in round 1. If Ballard is intent on trading back, he should have plenty of suitors.
From the Athletic:
Chiefs eager to trade up in first round
KANSAS CITY, Mo. — His plan for the NFL Draft remains the same. Brett Veach, the Kansas City Chiefs’ general manager, wants to make another deal, a splashy trade that he hopes will allow the reigning champions to acquire another star player.
If chiefs trade up for worthy it is over for rest of nfl.
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8 minutes ago, Superman said:
I get it. But that's basically saying 'I've stuck to my principles all this time, now I want to be reckless just this once.' That's fine, when it's acknowledged. But it's all about falling in love with one prospect. And since he's not a QB, the risk is not justified.
I guess you're right, their testing and size are basically the same. But BTJ has all the explosive highlights, and Mitchell played with Quinn Ewers.
That's it. He's an extreme outlier, but at least he has a physical trait to make up for it. Bryce Young's compensating trait was supposed to be his processing, but it's not a physical trait, and it's still a projection. At least with Worthy we know he can run fast.
There's just one size comp, and he just got $25m/year, so it can work. And just like with Mitchell, his QB was a problem. You've projected him into Steichen's scheme, and I can't argue with your viewpoint there. I just don't see the proficiency from him, and while I'm adjusting my preferences with WRs, I still like to see some technical stuff.
My issue with Mitchell is although he runs good routes he seems to go down easy and his tope end doesn't look as impressive as nabors, Brian Thomas jr and worthy. I watch film on Mitchell and worthy back to back several times. Mitchell doesn't seem to get much yards after the catch. Worthy was taken screens to the house and running away from defenders. Mitchell is missing something in his game. Can he be a good wr yes, but the upside is higher with worthy and brian thomas.
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40 minutes ago, Moosejawcolt said:
Worthy cannot contest for 50/50 balls. He brings as specific skill set. The scary thing about Worthy. If you go down the top 10 of receivers who have posted below 4.3, their success rate in the NFL is notta!!
If you draft worthy it is for his game changing speed not 50/50 balls. Pittman and pierce are for those. Worthy is the home run guy that can score from anywhere on the field.
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3 hours ago, PRnum1 said:
I wonder if Ballard is thinking of taking Arnold at 15 and converting him to FS
Take dejean at 15 if you going to do that
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2 minutes ago, richard pallo said:
If you have a fast good FS that takes care of that concern. We don’t rely on press man corners to do the job. Fast zone corners can get it done. We don’t require elite speed.
We don't have a great fs
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3 minutes ago, throwing BBZ said:
Arnold would be a great "2" corner. I watched a lengthy interview with Arnold and he couldn't be more impressive.
Watching his tape he bends, twists, runs with tremendous agility. But he has to grab and live off being physical because he can't run with the big boys. A perfect Chris Ballard guy.
Sorry but we desperately need a guy that won't get out ran.
I agree that's why I'm opting for the faster cb. Brents already fills the Arnold role. Last thing we need is a secondary full of 4.5 guys who will get burned by worthy, thomas jr, tyreek Hill, and tank dell
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1 minute ago, throwing BBZ said:
Huh! Flowers is big but did run in the high 4.3's. The rest of our corners are all Wilson's. Big and slow, running in the 4.5's.
Ballard has 7 years of proof that he and Dodds live in the past regarding roster building.
Steichen getting through to them and Ownership is where our hope lies.
Yea that's why I don't want Arnold. If we are adding a cb they need to be sub 4.5 speed. Wiggins 4.2 speed is appealing along with Mitchell 4.3. Dehean is 4.4, but atleast he can play safety if we don't want him at corner.
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42 minutes ago, DougDew said:
Us giving up a 3rd and a 5th, or a 2nd and getting CHIs 2025 3rd, is peanuts in terms of what we get back. A generational (by pundit prediction) Move TE......whereas if we just stood at 15 we'd probably have to settle for a Corner, A FS, a somewhat redundant WR, or a non elite EDGE.
But if Bowers is that good, I would think CHI would want him to pair with Williams at QB. OTOH, they could get a second tier WR at 15 and maybe another piece at 46, could be what they would be thinking.
Idk worthy has game changing speed.
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If we go cb give me Wiggins, dejean, or Mitchell. Arnold is too slow.
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2 minutes ago, Dobbinblitz said:
Mine as well.
Depends on who is there in second. Sometimes guys with first round grades are there at the top of the second.
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2 hours ago, NewColtsFan said:
From your lips to Gods ears. I hope something like that happens.
NFL.com just had their final mock with Jeremiah and Brooks. And they had Mitchell falling to the Colts and we take him. I don’t even want the Colts to use a first on a corner, but if it’s Mitchell, I’ll be over the moon!
Mitchell was voted the top corner of the Senior Bowl. Then he tested thru the roof at the combine. In 2.5 seasons at Toledo he has over 50 pass break ups! That’s not a typo, over 50! The only negative are his 31 inch arms. But the exception is that’s what Gilmore has, 31 inches. If you can play, you can play. He screams Ballard pick!
I’m worried some team will grab him early thinking he’s on the level of Sauce Gardner. Sure hope not. We will find out soon!
It will be what it will be but we better not draft another quincy wilson.
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1 hour ago, dw49 said:
Hard to see 5 QB's going before P 15. 4 yes but IMO 5 is highly unlikely. So I'm thinking there aren't going to be "desperate " teams making moves that enable a great player falling to P 15. The more realistic hope is that a couple teams really are enamored with an OT and the highest rated CB or 2 drops from 12-13 to 15. Bowers is a possibility but I think for Turner or one of the top 3 Wrs falling to 15 is a pipe dream . It will take a trade to around P 8 to get Turner or one of those WRs.
We need to draft worthy. He is the next tyreek Hill. His speed truly jumps off the tape especially after watching adonai Mitchell beforehand. Mitchell is a more polished route runner, but his top end speed doesn't compare. Plus worthy is better at yards after the catch. Pair him with Richardson arm and continue to improve his route running and it will be like manning to Harrison.
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5 hours ago, TheEdgeis1 said:
I’m good with that, and if we still have a 2nd I would love to land Xavier Legette. That kid looks like a beast and might be steal of the draft.
It's risky to pick him as he broke out late.
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6 hours ago, richard pallo said:
It’s rich alright. I can see him throwing bombs to any number of receivers in this class.
I understand the fastest wr with the qb with arguably the biggest arm. He on the small side though.
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27 minutes ago, BProland85 said:
Why deal Pierce away when all you get is a 6th rounder out of him?
May a 6th round wr who is just as good lol
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On 4/20/2024 at 12:33 PM, BProland85 said:
For me it depends on how the Colts view Thomas in terms of his route running ability. If he can run numerous routes well he can be a great all around WR. If his routes are limited to deep routes similar to what Pierce is best at, then it’s probably a wasted pick.
Not really we could draft him and trade pierce
Colts have the 15th pick in the draft. (MERGE)
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Unless they draft both brian thomas and worthy