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17 hours ago, PrincetonTiger said:
It might be time but the problem is that the guys available are not good
I get that too...
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47 minutes ago, MikeCurtis said:
SAD
WE ARE MISSING EXTRA POINTS!!!
Time to move on from an over the hill player........... Vinny has GOT to go
What does he say to the kids that are playing their hearts out
Time to move on.....
Our defense over all, played well enough to win
Lots a holes on the offense
You could make a case that AV has cost us three games. He's the GOAT but it's time and I think he'd be the first to admit it.
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On 11/8/2019 at 7:05 AM, lollygagger8 said:
I agree it's a small sample size, but Jacoby also didn't play that much in the Steelers game.
I wrote this comment in the comment section because I believe it's true (as much as I hate giving props to Tom):
Jacoby learned how to escape the pocket from Luck
He learned how command a huddle from Brady
Now he needs to learn anticipation from HoyerIn this "we need everything right now" society, I think we all forget that Brissett really hasn’t played that much. He’ll get better.
Anyways, on with the story:
In Brett Mock’s most recent Quick Reaction article, he ruffled some feathers when he wrote:
One final thought, if those who have been confused about the quarterback debate heading into this game don’t now understand the reason for the debate, I don’t really have much I can say.
Then he proceeded to say a lot.
His point wasn’t whether one QB is better than the other, but rather that they both have different strengths and weaknesses that makes it difficult to say which one would perform better on the current team.
It now comes down to the question of — would the ultra conservative, slow to get through progressions, mistake avoiding Brissett give the Colts a better chance than the more aggressive, more productive Hoyer.
Who knows? But the debate about whether Brissett is the long-term answer shouldn’t be difficult to understand at this point.
I’m not sure why there was so much blow-back to those fairly innocuous statements, but one specific point he made resonated with me:
Brian Hoyer showed . . . the ability to throw players open before they break on routes.
This has been my main knock on Jacoby Brissett. He tends to only throw to receivers that are already open, resulting in short throws. He seems hesitant to stretch the field.
Open up the link to read on. I included one pic from each QB from the article - you can see the rest here:
JACOBY BRISSETT (4/5 59 yds, 0 TD, 0 INT)
Notice that on all of Brissett’s passes, the receiver is wiiiiiide open.
Pass 1 - 1st Qtr, 1st & 10 (Shotgun) J.Brissett pass short left to Z.Pascal to PIT 27 for 8 yards (S.Nelson).
No defender within 5 yards and that is the last pass attempt on this drive.
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BRIAN HOYER (3/5 39 yds, 1 TD, 1 INT)
Pass 1 - 2nd Qtr, 3rd & 11 (12:02) (Shotgun) B.Hoyer pass short middle to J.Doyle for 11 yards, TOUCHDOWN.
Doyle was just starting his break and about to lose his defender when Hoyer starts his wind-up. I think this is a pass that Brissett eventually throws, just not nearly as early as Hoyer did.
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I'd call this a decent start to understanding quarterback ability to survey the field and make throws. I think a great system schemes guys open and Coach Reich is off the charts good at it as is Sean Payton (as two examples). I see four types of throws designed for completion by degree of difficulty. I went a head and added a skill set level to each for fun.
1. Open Receivers, we make this completion in the back yard (novice).
2. Timing routes, throw to a spot with anticipation (expert).
3. Throwing a receiver open (master), example maybe a back shoulder fade or a corner route thrown opposite should on an otherwise covered receiver.
4. Through a window (legend), This ball is thrown into a very tight window to a completely covered receiver such that only the offensive player can make the reception but for all intents and purposes the receiver is completely covered and nobody would see this an an opportunity except for the elite passer.
Brissett will improve right now he does play at the novice level but there are plenty of flashes of him doing 2 and 3 well. However, he almost never attempts level 4.
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1 hour ago, NewColtsFan said:
The Colts still have a legit chance at winning and teaching the playoffs. As long as that hope remains alive yiu cant use Kelly as a starter as an experiment simply because you’re curious.
If the Colts start losing, with either Hoyer or Brissett, and you mathematically are eliminated, THEN you can put Kelly in the game as a starter. But not before.
As long as we’re in the hunt, the Colts owe to all the players to start their best. And right now, that means Hoyer.
By the way.... I know you’re curious. Honestly, me too. And I also appreciate your post was fair and reasonable.
Yeah, I know Hoyer is the right answer, if I were the Coach, I'd start Hoyertoo, BUT as a fan... It's why I have a day job! Thanks for the input...Until next time!
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1 minute ago, MikeCurtis said:
I would put myself in this category as well
I WOULD like to see what CK can do.
But.....
I am NOT in the camp that says start him over JB....... (at least not this year)
JB is STILL growing and hopefully keeps getting better.
But...... I am an impatient sort, and do believe that we need a bit more explosiveness to our offense...... I hope that JB can get us there........ BUT.... he hasnt proven that yet IMHO
I think Hoyer did a good job last week
(everything that was expected of a backup QB)
He is a backup however, and his "best" will to be to not lose you games ...... he didnt lose the Pitt game. He looked good enough ....... and.......We are his 8th team.
If we are up by 14 in the 2nd half...... I'd throw CK in the game.......
I'm with ya.
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3 minutes ago, 2006Coltsbestever said:
Watch Hoyer get injured in the 1st Qtr and Chad Kelly come in and throw for 300 yards, 3 TD's, and no INT's
. The people in this forum that love Chad would have a 20 page thread again about him. If that did happen I would be happy as long as we win but no matter what happens I still think JB deserves to be the starter the rest of the year. He's earned it IMO.
There is no doubt, I feel partially responsible that there's become a groundswell of Kelly fandom. That's probably not fair to him either because the failure boomerangs doesn't it?
The only big idea that matters is the Colts have the best possible version of themselves on the field. The old saying used to be the most popular guy on the team is the back up QB. That seems to be manifesting itself here, we shouldn't let it become a negative, which for some it is, and for others he's the next big thing which very well may not end up being true.
Perhaps losing Andrew suddenly gave us a savior complex. Nevertheless, we all want the same thing, Colts win. I don't see a purpose for beating each other up on the forums over the idea that Kelly MIGHT be good. I guess the assumption insinuates we think Brissett isn't and that's just not true, he's doing well. Maybe it's better too root for Kelly than to discuss some eventual return of Luck.
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4 minutes ago, coltsva said:
Here's the thing, IMO:
Brissett is the Colts starting QB for the remainder of this season.
Hoyer is the Colts backup QB for the remainder of this season.
The Colts like Kelly and don't want to lose him. Getting him significant time today only serves to showcase his ability and makes him more susceptible to be claimed the next time they try to get him through waivers and back on the practice squad.
The only way Kelly gets time is if Hoyer gets hurt. Should that happen early in the game and Kelly comes in and looks real good, the Colts may have to carry 3 QB's the rest of the season, which would hurt depth at another position and/or special teams. That would not be good.
That's an interesting point, the allure of his potential is a bit intoxicating.
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18 hours ago, NewColtsFan said:
Kelly isn’t starting. He’s not ready. And one bad throw from Hoyer last week isn’t the reason why the Colts lost. On balance, Hoyer played well.
You're right on all counts. Thing is, we know what Hoyer is at his best..a 4 / 10 QB (or pick whatever number you like he's sub par on balance). I think of all of the people, including myself, that see some real upside in Kelly this seems like a perfect opportunity. His talent may not materialize, I understand that, but this is exactly the kind of game (at home, feature the run, not amazing opponent) where we could find out about the kid. To be honest, I really like this team but I fear we'll be an average playoff team which doesn't make me all gooey inside. This, for me, could just be a tale of curiosity killed the cat, I understand that, but to be honest, I'm super curious!
Go Colts!!!!
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On 11/1/2019 at 12:47 PM, csmopar said:
My question is, how did our OL with the same players go from the best in the league to the 22nd ranked OL in the league? Does changing the OL coach really make that huge of a swing?!
We've played several good defenses, sometimes the opponent has something to say about it.
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On 11/1/2019 at 5:11 PM, Jdubu said:
Denver may not be a good team offensively but their defense is one of the best we’ve played this year.
Top 5 D, just no O.
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19 hours ago, Imgrandojji said:
It seems to me that this roster is really well built for a couple 22 packages because it's a personnel suite that plays well to our current strengths.
For those who aren't sure what I'm talking about, 22 personnel is 2 TE, 2 backs (2RB or RB/FB), and 1 WR. The patriots used it heavily when they had Gronk and Bennett or Allen a few years back and they famously used 22 spread (22 personnel spread out and the backs positioned as receivers) to devestating effect in the latest Superbowl
Since our WR corps is a bit thin after TY at the moment, and we have very strong TE and RB groups, this is a personnel package I'd expect to see out there a lot, taking advantage of Ebron, Doyle, Mack and Hines each being among our top weapons and solid depth at both TE and RB. And I think 22 personnel might be a package that could allow us to making the best possible use of TY without exposing our issues with WR depth.
Both 22 tight (22 run blocking formation) and 22 spread (receiving formation) are offensive formations we could and should be working from, given the way the roster is built, but I haven't had the chance to see every game and I don't know how much we've actually seen it. Has anyone gotten the all-22 and can tell if we're using this formation?
Not as much as we should, one of our deepest personnel groups is TE. We can actually run 22 personnel with 3 TE's with the addition of Cox who could fill the FB spot. So in short no we probably don't do it enough and yes I like the idea of running it more and leveraging our TE depth. Typically 22P is used as a short yardage, goal line, 2pt conversion formation so it won't be a big play type alignment. NE uses it to great effect because of their patience with the short passing game. Good post.
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On 10/28/2019 at 1:35 PM, HOZER said:
I was given tickets to the game yesterday as a very nice Birthday gift. I went into Lucas feeling pretty confident that we would easily beat this this team, and that the Trap game stuff I read on here was just crazy talk.
After the first Field goal miss and as our offense began to struggle against a very good Broncos Defense, I started to get nervous. When they scored after halftime I really started to get a bad feeling.
The last 3-4 games I’ve been to, they’ve lost, really was starting to get a complex, lol. By the middle of the fourth, some fans were starting to lose faith and shuffle out to beat traffic. The thought never crossed my mind to leave early, but I was having a hard time staying positive and cheering for the team and making noise while the Broncos offense was on the field.
Then I looked over at my 9 yr old son. He never lost faith, was screaming off the top of his lungs and saying, “WIN FOR DADDY, WIN FOR DADDY,” lol! That was awesome and got me fired up, then Brissett shrugs off Miller and makes the amazing throw to TY!!! Not going to lie, I shut my eyes when Vinny was kicking the eventual game winner, so glad he redeemed himself with that kick!!!! What a emotional roller coaster of a birthday gift, but thanks Colts!!!!!!
Moral of my rant, NEVER LOSE FAITH, at least during a close game!!!!!
GO COLTS!!!!
I drove 10 hours to the Houston game, first one at Lucas Oil, stunning place, I was really impressed. Then, I was shocked at how many fans can't be bothered to stand and cheer on third down..or even fourth down. Stadium wasn't full for a first place divisional showdown. Colts fans are not the best unfortunately...
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On 10/27/2019 at 5:19 PM, Chucklez said:
Even before today’s game, I have not been convinced by Ya Sin’s play in the secondary. I know Sutton is having a breakout year of sorts, but Rock was pure and simple picked on today.
I just don’t understand the hype he was getting in camp and there was even a thread earlier on this week about how good he had been... but I just don’t see it.
Am I missing something? Quincy has been better than Ya Sin...
It seems to me he's losing at the line of scrimmage and since he doesn't have great make up speed he's doing a lot of reaching in man coverage which is an easy PI call. He needs to leverage his strength at the line which will allow him to keep his leverage. He also needs to learn to be disciplined with his hands. It may be that he's used to being able to clean up poor point of contact in college but in the NFL these guys are too good, too fast. Hopefully he learns, tough day for sure, makes you appreciate Desir a little more...
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22 minutes ago, BlueCollarColts said:
We need Funchess back BIG TIME. Wouldn't mind taking a look at the trade market to see if we can add someone else.
Agree, Funchess should really help.
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10 hours ago, runthepost said:
Zack Martin - Him and Nelson will build a new IHOP center downtown. Indianapolis House of Pancakes .
Gilmore - Elite corner in zone and Man coverage.
Tyreek Hill - Moves him or Hilton to the slot and let the race begin
Donald - Best player in the league
Khalid Mack - Him and Donald on the line at the same time will be fun
SOLID!!!
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2 hours ago, throwing BBZ said:
Sheard is 100% effort and smarts. He has cleaned up containment on his side and makes a difference when they move him inside.
The guy earns his $$$.Yep! Pay Sheard!
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1 hour ago, Peterk2011 said:
He is not. The 5 oldest are Arians, Reid, Carroll, Belichick and Zimmer. And there is Fangio, etc. Reich is not a young guy of course, he is in the Garrett, Marrone, Payton, Gruden, Harbaugh, Rivera, etc. group. Mid fifties. So, purely by age, he can coach for at least a decade if he want's to and his health allows him to. However, I'm a bit scared that he is similar to Dungy or Luck, for who'm coaching/quarterbacking is not the only thing in the universe. So I can see him (Reich) retiring from active coaching earlier than those "football is my life" type coaches (Carroll, Belichick, etc.). I hope he won't though.
Hopefully since he started later by design, this is the thing he wants to do...
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14 hours ago, stitches said:
In one of Brissett impressions threads @SteelCityColt asked about who are the QBs you would take over Brissett right now? I gave my answer there but I wanted to refine the inquiry into something that IMO has more of a practical significance for our evaluation of Brissett going forward. I want to see what people think are the QB tiers in the NFL and how good Brissett needs to perform in order to fall into the tier that makes him a franchise QB worthy of long-term contract and worthy of not losing sleep over knowing he's your QB.
I've decided to simplify the task at hand and separated the tiers into only 3 buckets -
-"franchise QB" - This one will be kind of broad and I wanted it to just signify a list of QBs for which you are not looking for replacement(if they are healthy), you don't waste a high pick in order to replace one of those.
-"not a franchise QB" - you are in QB purgatory and you need to upgrade your QB if you want long-term success. You should be willing to spend good draft picks(1st rounder +) in order to address the QB position if you have one of those.
-"wait and see" - this one will be reserved for young QBs who are still finding their way in the league and we don't yet know if they will be good enough in the long run.
I decided to separate them like this because in a lot of ways this is the decision we will need to make if not at the end of this year, then at the end of next season. We will need to know where Brissett falls in those lists.
So here we go. My list(not in particular order):
Franchise QBs:
Tom Brady
Russell Wilson
Phillip Rivers
Patrick Mahomes
Deshaun Watson
Carson Wentz
Ben Roethlisberger
Cam Newton
Carson Wentz
Jimmy Garoppolo
Aaron Rodgers
Matthew Stafford
Aaron Rodgers
Drew Brees
Matt Ryan
Jared Goff
Dak Prescott
Not-Francise QBs:
Andy Dalton
Kirk Cousins
Derek Carr
Joe Flacco
Nick Foles
Marcus Mariota
Case Keenum/Colt McCoy
Mitch Trubisky
Ryan Fitzpatrick
Jameis Winston
Ryan Tannehill
Teddy Bridgewater
Wait & see:
Josh Allen
Sam Darnold
Josh Rosen???
Drew Lock
Lamar Jackson
Baker Mayfield
Gardner Minshew
Daniel Jones
Dwayne Haskins
Kyler Murray
Will Grier
Kyle Allen
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Jacoby Brissett
This is my list. If I have to be honest, right now I think Brissett falls closer to a non-franchise QB than to a franchise QB for me. The hardest to peg for me were Dak and Goff... Goff has shown already he can play great football if he has good protection and run game, so I'm willing to put him in the franchise QB category, although he's been pretty underwhelming when facing more pressure this year. I'm still not sure Dak is what he was in the first several weeks of this season, but I will give him the benefit of the doubt here. From the franchise tier he was the closest to dropping out, from the non-franchise QBs, it was Derek Carr that was closest to making it for me and both of those would be a natural line of separation for Brissett. On what side will he fall after this season or next season? The answer to this question IMO will decide whether I will be happy with giving him a long-term contract and locking him in as our franchise QB or turning to the draft to seek a solution there.
So what are your tiers?
Brissett is wait and see for me. I don't like Goff as a franchise QB, I'd put him in wait and see. Interesting list.
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5 hours ago, Coffeedrinker said:
Fair enough
What do you consider depth? The Colts have two guys that have 47 starts between them ( I don't know the exact break down) with greater than half those starts at right and left tackle. I'm not a Clark nor Haeg fan but Clark played well last year when called upon... not great but didn't make any major mistakes and Haeg is a solid guy at all positions who has reached his ceiling on effectiveness.
But this post seems to be a far different concept (no depth at the position) than your original post where the Colts have only one true tackle. Which both Clark and Haeg were tackles in college so I guess they are both "true tackles: as well.
You're going to sell us on Clark as depth, c'mon, stop trying to win an argument. Again, I think Smith has developed beautifully and is a wonderful talent. I'm not convinced he couldn't be even better at Guard, but that's again not even my point. Our depth at tackle is easily the thinnest position on the team, Haeg is a guard as well who can morph into multiple roles which is his value and I like Joe. The thing that concerns me is the quality of the next guy up. Look no further than our record last year when AC was out for proof positive of that concern. There's nothing more I can add. Go Colts.
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2 hours ago, Four2itus said:
Spot on. I think people have a hard time when the square peg doesn't fit their square hole. I saw him as our starting right tackle before the preseason was over.
It was one of the defining moments for me with the new staff when they rolled him out at RT. They didn't follow others information, they went with their strength, which is their own pool of knowledge and experience. In the 80's, the Cowboys did this a LOT.
Then we have two tackles, you comfortable with that while we have 6 safeties, 7 receivers etc? It's a gap...get over yourselves. They didn't plan to play him at tackle, he had to because our FA's were terrible and he had played some T in college and it's worked great. We need depth that's not debatable, why are we looking for a fight on this?
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5 hours ago, Coffeedrinker said:
Making it work through athleticism is an incorrect statement and does a huge disservice to Smith. Smith is making it work at tackle by working hard and becoming a tackle. I'm not sure what makes a "true tackle" but to me a guy that plays tackle and plays it very well is as much of a true tackle as anyone else.
As far as AC (or AT if you prefer ) aging... yup, every player on the team is aging so that is not a shock. But he is still just 30 and tackles often play into their mid to late 30s so that is not much of a concern. Not to say they won't draft a tackle in the next couple of drafts, but I doubt they will try to find a starting tackle in the next couple of drafts.
Spare me the soap box nonsense, I know very well how good Smith is and how hard these guys work that's not at all the point. We need more talent at tackle, we have zero depth at the spot. This isn't controversial.
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On 10/15/2019 at 8:16 AM, Coffeedrinker said:
I don't like PFF grades, especially for olineman. of course I don't base my evaluation of the line on PFF either.
Nelson is making AC's job easier but on the flip side AC is making Nelson's job easier as well.
This makes no sense to me. For one reason, the Colts have one of the best olines in the NFL, that does not mean there are no weaknesses or any place for improvement, it just means they are one of the best units in the NFL so why mess with it? Second, this philosophy would weaken three positions; RG would be weakened by moving someone there who has not played that position in the pros. Then you weaken the RT position by playing a guy there that is not as good as the RT you just moved to guard and then in the future you weaken the LT position by moving a RT who will have to undo all his RT muscle memory and relearn the LT muscle memory.
Olineman can typically have long careers in the NFL and barring a major injury I can see AC playing another 4 or 5 years (he's not like Glenn where weight is an issue). So there is no reason to draft his replacement anytime soon.
We're playing with fire at Tackle. We have one true tackle and another guy through pure athleticism is making it work. Our one true tackle is aging, and I'm one of the few on this board who constantly stood up for AT when everyone bailed on him a couple years ago. This team needs a young legit OT in the next draft. We won't be this lucky forever...
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QB, RT, C, LT, DT, WLB, DE I think...
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1 minute ago, fahlman said:
What did you do during the '72 - '74, '78 - '86, and '88 - '94 seasons? These are good times compared to those seasons.
87 was sketchy too, not some dream season...hahaha!
. The people in this forum that love Chad would have a 20 page thread again about him. If that did happen I would be happy as long as we win but no matter what happens I still think JB deserves to be the starter the rest of the year. He's earned it IMO.
Go Colts!!!!
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