IndyBarb
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That expression on his face was priceless.
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Looking at the photos of TB...my temperature rose about 10-degrees!
Seriously; my expectations are for New England to pull out the win!
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congratulations, Reggie!
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No, the debate would still rage on. That hypothetical would mean that Wilson was simply on the most successful team.
You are correct about the debate; however, I'm sure it would shake a few fans up!
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I agree that Russell Wilson is at this time flying under the radar. If The Seahawks make the playoffs and the Colts and Skins do not; this whole argument on which quarterback is better will then be a moot point.
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Titans - a win +10 pts
Texans - a loss -12 pts
Chiefs - a win + 4 pts
Texans - a win + 2 pts (sticking my neck out a bit) just a hunch...
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Ok after lurking here for a bit I cannot take this.
Does no Colts fan realize how fortunate the situation they are in to have their record? The Colts are 30th in the league with -16 turnover differential and a -41 point differential and have an 8-4 record. This is unheard of. The Patriots meanwhile are 9-3 with a +24 turnover differential and +170 point differential. One win separates these two teams and you have the nerve to say greats QBs find a way. How about just happens to have easiest current strength of schedule in the league? Last year doesn't matter, you need some perspective. Lets just throw in the Redskins stats for comparison. They are 6th in the league in turnover differential at +11 and have a +11 point differential which is at right where you expect a 6-6 team to be and a little low for turnovers.
The Colts meanwhile with their differentials have twice the record you would expect from these numbers and FootballOutsiders has the stats to show it. http://www.footballo...m/stats/teameff based on statistical averages they are ranked the 28th team in the league, this is more indicative or actual performance. Look at the majority of wins the Colts have, they are from teams in the bottom third of these statistics, the same as which the Colts posses. Meanwhile the Redskins are right around the top of the mid range with most of their wins against team in the mid range.
The Redskins have had TWO games all season where the defense gave up less then 20 points, TWO! Not coincidentally they have won both games. Now lets look at the Colts. The Colts have had SIX games of 20 or under points given up, all wins. Now factor in how many turnovers the Colts have had and you guys certainly do not give the defense nor schedule enough credit. 20, 13, 13, 20, 10, 13, are the scores in those six games. MOST quarterbacks could win with the defense holding teams to that few points. The fact Luck has had to have so many come from behind victories is actually not in his favor, it says he isn't playing well enough throughout the ENTIRE game to put these teams away earlier.
Look I really like Luck alot, love his game, his personality and I think he will be a great QB in this league throughout his career but the simple fact is his play and and record is overrated proven statistically. He has a bottom 4 passer rating in the low 70's and has 21 turnovers on the season with 4 games to go. If any QB in the league is getting too much credit it is Luck. You can argue you can only play who is on your schedule but realistically if you had a tougher schedule you wouldn't have these many wins. Most coaches in the league will point to turnovers as the #1 statistic in deciding games. The fact you colts are bottom three worst in the league and have an 8-4 record shows just how favorable your schedule is and how much the defense plays a part.
I'm not even here to try to prove Griffin's worth, I'm just tired of the "record" argument I've seen Colt's fan have the nerve to use. There is alot more that goes into your record than 70 passer rating quarterback with 5 come from behind victories. The only argument I'll make for RG3 is that if the Redskins had the same schedule or defense capable of holding teams to that few points in wins, that he would AT LEAST have the same record as Luck and the Colts.
perhaps you would not be so upset if you would just quit "lurking".
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The Redskins already beat the Giants and should have beaten them the first time, too.
And the Colts should have been 4-8. Just could not resist that one! ;)
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Enough already....
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And that's fair enough, you should be 9-3 and I give the Colts all the credit in the world for that. I'm not here to discredit Andrew Luck and his accomplishments at all. It's funny, though; another Colts fan in another thread posted that Vince Young's rookie record should be ignored because no individual player wins a game.
If you are not here to discredit Andrew, then why are you here?
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5 fourth quarter ties or leads blown by the defense will do that to you. Redskins could realistically be sitting at 9-3 right now if the defense didn't perform so terribly in the first half of the season.
How many threads have I read on stat's from the Redskin's fans, yet....when it is posted on a win a loss statistic, that is somehow not accepted? The colts "should have" won the first Jacksonville game which means we "should" have been 8-3. Is that what show's up in the stats. No. We are 8-4 and considering how we were predicted to be bottom feeders, that record has made more than one reporter shake their head's in that disbelief. Credit needs to be given where credit is due. The Colts are playing as a team, and when they need to come through they normally do.
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Pagano needs some of the credit for calling both Reggie and Donnie. Very pleased with both of their contributions.
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A member posted a "Luck vs RG3" thread which opened a whole can of worms.
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I love how QUIZBOY always jumps into the arguments and supports anything that is against the colts. Now he's an expert on the Skins. LOL!!!
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Was "lucky", and found it at the local Books of Million bookstore. Nice article. I love Andrew's work ethic and down to earth attitude.
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Lollerskates at the CONTINUED effort to bring up SINGLE games in a 16-game season to try and define a team. Friggin' hilarious. Well you know what, if we're gonna do that I'm going to define the Colts by what the JETS did to them earlier on. Seems fair.
Lollerskates...that was a new one for me...had to look that one up!
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Redskins fans will always be for RG3 just like Colts fans will lean towards Luck. That will never change, even with a 1000 more posts, each making their own arguments with stat's, etc. Until that is accepted by both, this thread will continue on and on.....
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I would rather the media talk up Russel Wilson just for a change and keep quiet about Luck and RG3. Patriots fans always accused the media of crusading for Manning because he was Mr. Popularity and to some extent they were right.
Peyton was and is a very first class individual. I still miss him.
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Yea but it's not just ESPN singing his praises, it's
CBS Sports, Fox Sports, NFL.com, heck, even other teams news papers chime in. RG3 is a once in a generation player. Thats not a knock on Luck, who I've said many times on this board is an absolute beast. I think Luck has the potential to be the best Elway.
But RG3 has more upside becasue of his athleticsm. We've never seen a quarterback with RG3's skillset. Sure, we've sene quarterbacks that have
1. Big Arm
2. Accurate Arm
3. World Class Speed
4. Intelligence
5. Toughness
6. Poise
7. Leadership
But we've never seen 1 quarterback that has all of these in 1 package. This is why people are so high on RG3.
Like Steve Young said last night after the game "Some players just transcend the numbers". RG3 is that player.
But he has the numbers to back it up as well.
Again; Media hype!
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There is no comparison between College hype and "pro" hype. When you post on an NFL board to vote for RG3 to get into the probowl, that is beyond being fair. That is media biased.
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1. No
2. Reggie Wayne
I have a Colt's ornament on my tree. Not too much, but a little something.
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If I wanted to stir the pot I would be chalking up my team's record, path, hard work and other things
And your signature reads.....Houston Texans 2011 AFC champions. Is that not stirring the pot a bit?
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You have just as much a right to post here as Colts fans, but please show some respect when you do it. Many times when I read your posts you just seem as if you are here to stir the pot. I don't know if that is the case, but it certainly seems that way. If I am wrong I apologize in advance.
Thanks! You stated that much better than I did!
Go Colts 
Luck vs rg3
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Why is this thread being kept open? Wasn't the Manning vs Luck thread closed down due to QB comparisons?