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Just now, EastStreet said:
I thought jokes were supposed to be funny?
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48 minutes ago, EastStreet said:
Did you expect him to speak his inner truth, and say "the darn guy gets hurt too much, I need the QB to learn how to throw it down the seam, and I need the young guys to be more involved".
You are putting your own words in his mouth and calling it "his inner truth".
Before the season started Reich said that JB was a top 20 QB, but many thought it was just coach speak. But here we are 2 months later and most everyone agrees with that now
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12 minutes ago, Fisticuffs111 said:
People are talking about which WR will step up but I think Hines is about to get a lot of play now. He's second on the team in receptions and, along with Doyle, seem to be Brissett's security blanket.
I was just getting ready to post that Hines will probably be on the field more.
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I for one think this is kind of fun.
I'm interested in seeing if the Colts can overcome this.
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14 minutes ago, colt18 said:
Let’s calm down guys
I AM CALM
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Lewis was full practice....
But hurt himself in the shower. ...
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6 minutes ago, MPStack said:
Read entire post! Don’t be an egg head.I read it.
Now I have myself on my face!
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13 hours ago, MPStack said:
Could it be Brissett? T.Y. Hilton’s numbers are the worst in his career thus far in any season. Luck passed for almost 4600 yds 39 TDS with Hilton and Ebron being the main contributors. Who were the other WRs last season????
This is not a bash Brissett post, because I don’t believe he’s an above average starter. He’s a good game manager with limitations.The offense has a lot of weapons, it’s just a matter of Brissett taking what’s given to him, by making proper reads.
Thanks for your brand new take on things.
"Could it be Brissett"? ..... Hmmmm..............
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19 minutes ago, Superman said:
Not the single most important stat. Just an indicator that we're not getting big plays in the passing game. We can judge for ourselves whether that's a good thing or not, but yards/attempt is a legitimate indicator of offensive efficiency, and there are others that are relevant.
There have been and will continue to be good teams with pretty good offenses even though the QB isn't generating big plays downfield. But overall, QBs who continue to have lower yards/attempt are somewhat limited in their success and their longevity. I posted a stat breakdown on that a few weeks ago.
As a cherry picked example, you mentioned Carson Wentz. He was pretty good as a rookie, struggled in Year 3, and has had his struggles so far in Year 4. His career adjusted yards/attempt is 7.1. In Year 2, he had an MVP caliber season and his team was crushing everyone else. His adjusted yards/attempt that year was 8.3, he had a career high in TDs in just 13 games, a career high TD %, and he has not reached that height since.
So, MVP level Carson Wentz was very different than every other year of his career, right? And there's been a lot of questions about him outside of Year 2, including that he relies too heavily on Zach Ertz and doesn't get the ball to other receivers as effectively as the offense would like. Sound familiar?
Of course! I never said or even implied anything else.
I was only countering with my "cherry picked" examples that even good QBs can have entire seasons, and very successful seasons , with an ave per att like Brissett currently has.
And why "cherry pick" Wentz from my list and ignore the River's great year? And Eli Manning's SB winning year? And Rodgers? And Stafford just last year?
You know very well that my point is: 6.9 is not necessarily indicative of poor performance by a deficient QB.
And why do some assume that Brissett is stuck there at 6.9 in only the middle of his 2nd year as starter?
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23 minutes ago, SteelCityColt said:
I apologise for the implication that you said that. But also it's unfair to imply that people are only hanging their hat on YPA. It's one metric, an important one, but still only one. Without wider context to explain why it can be misleading. I don't think anyone has candidly said his YPA = X therefore he's terrible. It's part of the overall list of things that are of concern currently. It's part of the wider discussion which has included other things such as other metrics as well as looking into the All 22 and it's an ongoing discussion not a fait accompli .
To the list you supplied, a few challenges if I may. Again I'd rather look at ANY/A as it's slightly more rewards to QBs who are efficient and don't turn the ball over. But the one thing they mostly had in common was they were all snippets of a season, or part season. Goes back to the point I keep trying to make, it's not just about the here and now, it's about the long term. When you look over a "successful" QB's career (which by definition will be of decent length) their YPA & ANY/A tends to be of a certain level. The one that is interesting is Brady, but I think that's more a reflection of how well the Pats wax/wane their offense to suit the roster. His career average is still up there with the best of them. As I said before, it's not a silver bullet metric, no one metric ever will be.
That plays both ways of course, it's unfair to look at the sample so far of this season and dam Brissett, which again is really not what I'm doing.
No need to apologize. But thanks.
We are all looking for the same thing: How good is Brissett? Is he, or will he be good enough? I think by the end of the year, we'll all have a much clearer picture.
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9 hours ago, Superman said:
I don't care about the label, average, below average, above average, whatever you want to call him, doesn't matter.
I'm talking about the things I think he needs to do to help the offense reach its potential. And I'm specifically offering a counter to the 'there are no open receivers' argument that came up earlier.
Thanks for doing this. It actually helps to see how good the Colts can be if Brissett improves.
But has anybody actually said that there are never open receivers that JB is missing? Who would be that dumb?
We all know that there has to be times when he misses throws that he should attempt. And your analysis proves what we all should have known to be true. This is surely the case for every QB.
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5 hours ago, SteelCityColt said:
Now you’re putting words in my mouth.
The point I was making that volume stats and by extension per game stats need context. Why per attempt is better IMO.
i said exactly the same thing when comparing the Broncos D to the Steelers. How does this fit in your narrative of “people hate Jacoby”.
I never said people hate Jacoby.
But somehow yds per attempt became the single most important stat when judging Brisset. And I disagree with that.
It is strongly implied by critics that a relatively low yds per attempt (6.9) tells us that JB's game is deficient and the Colts are just getting lucky up to this point.
Remember in 2007 when the Chargers knocked Manning and the Colts out of the playoffs and barely lost to the Pats in the AFCC?
That year Rivers had a 6.9 yds per attempt on the whole year.
That year the Giants beat the Pats in the SB when Eli Manning had a 6.8 yds per att on the year.
Tom Brady has had a 6.9 ave or lower six times in his career.
Aaron Rogers had 6.7 as recently as 2015.
Matthew Stafford was less than 6.9 three of his first four years, and was 6.9 as recently as 2018.
Carson Wentz is 6.9 now. Is it because he stares down receivers? Lacks touch on his passes?
Can't get off his first read? Holds the ball too long?
No, no, only Jacoby Brissett has these deficiencies because one and a half years into being a starting NFL QB he has a pathetic, 6.9 yds per att.
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43 minutes ago, SteelCityColt said:
Yes... but on how many attempts?
As in what’s the Y/A for each?
Garopollo ... 7.9 yds per attempt
Brady ..... 7.3
Brissett .........6.9
Wentz ...........6.9
Does this mean Garopollo is better than Brady or Wentz? Of course not.
Does this mean that Garoppolo is better than Brissett? Of course it does!
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5 minutes ago, EastStreet said:
His AGGN% ranks 25th, which means he tries to fit it into tight windows more than 24 other QBs. This is likely due to his his over reliance on TY who is doubled a lot.
How does that mesh with the criticism that Brissett shys away from the more difficult throws and only hits the easy targets?
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51 minutes ago, Chloe6124 said:
I bet this is how Jacoby feels.
Garoppolo yds per game : 212.7
Brissett yds per game : 227.1
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19 hours ago, Superman said:
There is at least a third camp: Those who recognize that it's a mix of both. I think it's probably 70/30 in favor of Brissett not taking the throws that are there.
And that's not just a failure to see open receivers. Some of it is a lack of anticipation (people keep saying 'he can make all the throws,' and while that might be true from a physical standpoint, advanced passing requires a lot of savvy). Some of it is JB seeing receivers that are "covered" and not being confident the he can throw them open, which is another advanced passing trait.
Think about this. The Colts are running a conservative passing attack, not really throwing the ball down the field, taking short, high percentage passes. JB's adjusted yards/attempt is still 13th among QBs with 100 attempts at 7.5 (just what it was after a couple games, when people were initially pointing out how he wasn't going downfield). And still, JB's average time to throw is 2.86 seconds, fifth highest in the league. He hit 3.05 seconds yesterday, after being at 2.95 seconds vs the Texans.
So we have a conservative passing attack and offense, but the QB is taking nearly three seconds to throw the ball? Something's not right there. That's like being a slow driver with bad gas mileage.
In my opinion, the fact that Brissett is holding the ball long enough to hit deeper targets, does not necessarily mean that the receivers have adequate separation for him to throw the ball.
Your "70/30" guess may be close to accurate, or it may not. (based on TV viewing)
The fact that Brissett holds the ball long enough to attempt longer throws does not tell us that he should be attempting longer throws because we don't see (on TV) the deeper routs and their coverage.
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57 minutes ago, Superman said:
There is at least a third camp: Those who recognize that it's a mix of both. I think it's probably 70/30 in favor of Brissett not taking the throws that are there.
And that's not just a failure to see open receivers. Some of it is a lack of anticipation (people keep saying 'he can make all the throws,' and while that might be true from a physical standpoint, advanced passing requires a lot of savvy). Some of it is JB seeing receivers that are "covered" and not being confident the he can throw them open, which is another advanced passing trait.
Think about this. The Colts are running a conservative passing attack, not really throwing the ball down the field, taking short, high percentage passes. JB's adjusted yards/attempt is still 13th among QBs with 100 attempts at 7.5 (just what it was after a couple games, when people were initially pointing out how he wasn't going downfield). And still, JB's average time to throw is 2.86 seconds, fifth highest in the league. He hit 3.05 seconds yesterday, after being at 2.95 seconds vs the Texans.
So we have a conservative passing attack and offense, but the QB is taking nearly three seconds to throw the ball? Something's not right there. That's like being a slow driver with bad gas mileage.
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16 minutes ago, Nickster said:
I haven't got all 22 and don't buy internet crap. But I am fairly certain that JB is missing open recievers. The eveidence seems to suggest it. Same group as last year is the main piece of evidence IMO.
I'm sure he does sometimes as all QBs do. But to what extent is it too many times to where it is a problem specific to Brissett?
Your "evidence" that the Colts have the "same group" as last year does not persuade me. There were some games last year where the passing game was not good. (like the shutout against the Jags).. And some games last year where is was just good enough and complimented a great running attack (like the Cowboy game).
Also, Inman, when he came in mid-season became the 2nd best WR on the team.....and he was replaced by Funchess who has barely played.
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58 minutes ago, Superman said:
I think when people see the QB not throwing the ball they assume no one was open, but that's not what I saw, and I'm waiting for the All 22 to confirm),
There are basically two camps: Those who say the receivers aren't open, and those who say Brissett is not seeing them (or seeing them but not pulling the trigger)
Personally, I don't know because on TV the vast majority of the time the viewer cannot see receivers downfield while the QB has the ball.
I completely agree about Reich. The 2nd down play calling was so predictable. ....and I was very surprised he didn't go for that 4th and one.
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7 minutes ago, GoColts8818 said:
I was at the game up high and more times than not I saw Jacoby looking and looking and no one was open. He’s not Luck he’s not going to force it which is why he has fewer turnovers. It also means he’s going to have less completions down field.
I think this team’s biggest need is another WR to go with TY.
I agree 100%.
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40 minutes ago, EastStreet said:
I could absolutely see open WRs/TEs up the seam. They weren't 50 yards deep, but they were 10 to 20 or more and running behind the D up field. I recommend DVRing the game so you can pause live, and rewatch.
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7 minutes ago, EastStreet said:
If I had all 22 I'd screenshot a few plays where he had plenty of time, had open guys up the seam, but attempted to check down or simply locked onto his first read.
You could do this with 3 or 4 plays from any QB in any NFL game on any Sunday. And it would only mean that the QB had a less than perfect game, as is always the case no matter who it is.
If you watched the game on TV, as most of us did, you cannot see the receivers downfield.
Did you watch on TV?
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6 minutes ago, Jdubu said:
Fair enough. So that’s why in the thread I’ve said I’d like to see the routes in the all22 version because we can’t see whether anyone is getting open and JB is missing them or if the guys are just being blanketed. That was my whole point because unless someone has the whole field viewpoint and are posting here, none of us know this answer. I just find it extremely Odd that only TY can shake loose and get open but no other receiver can. It may be that way. It may be the routes they draw up aren’t freeing these guys up, it may be that JB isn’t reading coverages correctly. It could be a whole host of things. We just don’t have the answers here. We can, or should be able to agree that outside of the last drive, JB was a flop today as a QB.
As you say, when watching on TV we don't know if receivers downfield are getting open or not. I'm like everyone else who watches on TV, I can't see the receivers downfield. I don't know if anyone is open or not.
If Brissett was not seeing open receivers when he had time in the pocket, then he was a flop.
But if receivers were well covered, then not only was he not a flop, he actually played very well by not forcing throws and doing what he could to help win the game.
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1 hour ago, VaAllDay757 said:
Plus out MLB takes bad angles on those type of runs
Sometimes Walker seems too aggressive and just smashes up in there without seeing the ball carrier who just runs right by him.
TY Out Sunday could miss next 3 games
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Hey Andy did you hear about this one?
Charles Manson was the same way