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29 minutes ago, NewColtsFan said:
His value was one thing last year. We got him after Baltimore bailed on a deal for 4/30.
His value is something different this year. Not sure what the problem is?
Baltimore bailed because he flunked a physical, and they had concerns about his ankle and toe IIRC. We ignored those flags and ended up with a guy who missed games early, mid, and late season because of his ankle, and toe...
Injury aside, he wasn't anything to get excited about in the first place IMO. His separation is subpar and his production, even among a mediocre crowd of WRs in Washington was less than mediocre.
So.... wasn't a fan of his value back then. Still not. It's not a problem. It's an opinion, which turned out to be correct.
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I read he signed for 2.5M for 1 year.
Another reason I wasn't big on the 5M 1 year we signed him to last year.
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2 hours ago, WoolMagnet said:
Agree. I like Rogers but he has a ceiling. I havent seen enough from Fountain to know what we have. Pascal has flashed but i see him as a #4 at best. Inman could find space enough and seemed to have a chemistry with Andrew.
I'd love to see a rookie come in with the attitude of pushing Funchess AND TY for snaps. But Ballard may have other plans. Maybe Ballard sees something in Cain, Fountain and Pascal. My guess is he's waiting for Inman to realize our offer is fair and I kind of expect him back unless Ballard kicks some other tires.
Rogers was tendered by the Colts last month as a RFA second rounder. That means another team can offer him more than the 3M and give the Colts a second rounder if the Colts declined to get in a bidding war. Not sure if he signed the tender offer, but I doubt any team comes in swinging and willing to give up a second rounder for him. So very likely he'll be here in 2019.
Cain is locked up and is a no brainer. Marcus Johnson was also tendered last month as an ERFA, which means he's locked up. Pascal has not been tendered (differing opinions here, but I can't find anything) so still a wildcard. Fountain is locked up until next year when he becomes an ERFA.
So with DF being signed, we have him, Deon Cain, Marcus Johnson, Daurice Fountain, T.Y. Hilton, Krishawn Hogan, Steve Ishmael, Jordan Veasy, and James Wright under contract... and likely to retain Rogers. I can see any of the bolded being let go, or pushed to the practice squad.
Guessing we're looking to draft a WR in the first 3 rounds since we haven't locked down Inman or Pascal (and letting Grant expire). Doesn't mean one or both may not be back. Just means we're taking our time and staying on plan.
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16 hours ago, akcolt said:
Tillery is the direction I'd like to see us go at 26. He would be a beast in our D. The kid can get after the QB at DT or NT and is effective vs the run. When you have trouble sustaining consistent pressure on the QB you don't pass on the opportunity to add a player with his pass rushing ceiling.
I'm not sure how anyone thinks the 3 tech is set. We've not seen Lewis play there and Autry will be 29 to start the season. The fact that neither guy could stay on the field should be considered. We need a pass rush for this D to go to the next level
Agree. I think adding Houston opens up the front 4 for a lot of movement, and a lot of different sets. While I think we'd be fine without a stud iDL, I think we'd be much better with one. In short, I don't really think we have gaping holes anywhere on the team, which is a good thing. The two places however I think can impact the point differential most, is iDL and WR......, which is why I'm big on Tillery, and a WR with either the 2nd or 3rd pick.
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14 hours ago, NewColtsFan said:
Irish.....
Not that you care, or go to sleep at night wondering.... but you're one of my favorite new posters.... you bring new ideas, views and energy here that I'm really enjoying. I know we've knocked heads a few times so perhaps my respect for you isn't always apparent.
That said, we disagree on how to evaluate the evaluators.... I think much of what you link is little more than click bait. Websites that live or die by trying to attract more readers to click on their link and read what they've written. And it's hard to attract many readers if what you're saying is.... "another disappointing class of wide receivers"... and the same applies to all the sexy positions that fans watch because we all watch the ball... so QB's and RB's are always included no matter what.
So, I try to pay attention to people who have a vested interest in trying to get it right and who take it personally if they're wrong. Kiper and McShay at ESPN. The analytics people as well. Jeremiah, Brooks, Zierlein and Casserly at NFL.com. I keep an eye on PFF and PFO because from time to time their analytics make sense to me. Not always, but sometimes.
And I do try to keep an eye on other sites, but that's just to be aware of what the industry is putting out. The NFL draft has become HUGE! TV ratings are thru the roof. Mock drafts are everywhere. It's all click bait because if you've got a favorite team, you want to know who they might take in the draft. It's all wildly popular stuff. But that doesn't make it good. Good news, exciting news about the sexy positions sells. But that doesn't make them right. And those in the know are basically saying this class is somewhat better than last year's.... but that isn't saying much. Last year's class was very poor.
And, forgive me, but you've got an approach on this issue, that is unmatched here on the website. In this post that I'm responding to, you've talked about Fantasy websites. You take them seriously. I'm here almost 7 years, and in all that time, to the best of my knowledge, you're the first poster to try and talk about how good a player or a position group is based on a Fantasy website. In another recent post you talked about several players going up in the draft rankings because you say their going higher in the mock draft simulations. Again, I've not seen this done by anyone else. I'm not going to try to talk you out of that, but my views here are pretty well known. Those sites are simply not credible. They're fun and addictive but they're not close to what goes on in the real world. What they're doing has no relationship to the reality of the NFL. And I'm not aware of any other poster who has done this.
Again, I'm an Irish fan. I look forward to more conversations, debates and discussions. But this issue, about who you use, who you value to rate talent, is as far away from my view as can be. We're on the opposite side of the moon from one another. That's a big divide to close. Wish it wasn't so, but it appears to be.
By the time you read this, we'll be inside of 3 weeks to the draft. Lots of interesting talks ahead. Looking forward to them!NCF
Mocks are just mocks. They're an indicator. I don't play fantasy football, but I do keep an eye on their mocks. Why? Because several of them have been more accurate than the two guys you listed, Kiper in McShay. ESPN is more entertainment and politics these days than substance. Kiper promised to retire several years ago if his prediction about Jimmy Clausen was wrong. It was very wrong yet he's still here lol. He's had a lot of whiffs.
In short, I think you put too much stock in guys like Kiper and McShay. Neither one made the top 10 in accuracy last year. Kiper didn't make the top 20. Who filled out the top 10? A lot of fantasy analysts and what you refer to as secondary sites. Out of the old guard, only Mayock of NFL.com made the top 10 at 7th. McShay a respectable 12th, and Kiper 23rd. I like Zierlein but he waffles a lot and is always bullish on lines (which is fine).
The ratings/rankings I'm referring too take into account 4 categories and is pretty thorough. I've added the link to the mock accuracy ratings below. Kiper needs to spend less time on his hair and more time revisiting his mock technique :-).
Not trying to offend you, but I'm a logic based guy. I too like the old guard and the old way of doing things, but I can't ignore that the new guys are dong a better job these days when it comes to mocks.
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20 hours ago, JPFolks said:
When we claim someone off the waiver wire, what does it mean? Do we pay anything/lose anything by doing that? If not, why not claim nearly every reasonably competent player available at your spot? I am just trying to understand, not advocating doing that. Thanks.
from nfl.com
QuoteThe NFL and NFL Players Association Collective Bargaining Agreement sets forth specific rules for how NFL clubs can claim and release players using the NFL’s waiver system. Here is how the process works.
The waiver system allows player contracts or, in certain cases, a club’s NFL rights to a player to be made available by one club to the other clubs in the league.
The waiver period runs from the first business day after the Super Bowl through the end of the NFL’s regular season. Except in rare incidents, the waiver period lasts 24 hours and all waivers are categorized as “no recall” and “no withdrawal,” which means once a club waives a player, it cannot take the player back or change the player’s status.
Once a club waives a player, the 31 other clubs either file a claim to obtain him or they waive their chance to do so (thus the origin of the term “waiver”). Clubs are assigned players on a priority basis. From the first business day after the Super Bowl until the day after the third regular season week, assignments are based on a claiming order that is the same as the order in which clubs selected in that year’s Draft. From the beginning of the fourth regular season weekend through the Super Bowl, assignments are based on the inverse order of their win-loss record. For example, a team with fewer wins will be awarded a player off waivers ahead of a team with a better record. If a player passes through waivers unclaimed, he becomes a free agent.
Once the waiver period starts each year through the trading deadline, a vested veteran — a player who has acquired four years of pension credit — is not subject to the waiver system if the club decides to release him. That means if a team decides to release a vested veteran, the league considers his contract to be terminated immediately and he is free to negotiate and sign with any other club. From the trading deadline through the end of the regular season, vested veterans are subject to the waiver process.
https://operations.nfl.com/updates/the-players/nfl-waiver-system-overview/
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Tillery has a lot of position flexibility. He's also smart (class prez) and tough (playing injured). I agree he's much better in certain spots, but the kid can just flat out play solid where ever he lines up. I'd see him as a starter getting at least 50% of the snaps by mid year. If we picked him up, I'd really love our passing downs line up...
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20 hours ago, NewColtsFan said:
I'll give you props for the first two.... the last one is from August of 2018. Before the senior year of these players even started. So that one is a non-starter.
Look.... I'm going to sound like a snob and elitest. But I'm 62. Followed sports for more than 55 years. Followed drafts of all types in all major sports for roughly 50 years.
I was a member of the media for 30 years. Covered drafts professionally here in Los Angeles for 20 years. I've learned over time who had a good understanding of the material and who.... doesn't.
The only people I feel good about are people who spend the entire year on the draft, 24/7/365. That's the people at NFL.com and ESPN.com as well as newer analytical outlets like PFF and PFO.
Most of these are people who could scout for NFL teams for a living, and some, like NFL's Daniel Jeremiah was indeed a scout for 9 seasons and 3 different teams. When posters here ask me why he doesn't still, I explain, he's likely making 5-10 times more and doing much of the work from the comfort of his home. He picks and choses when to go cover a game. He's got a better life now.
The rest cover the draft and do the best they can. But their level of understanding is far less than what GM's like Casserly and Polian or former scouts like Jeremiah and Brooks have. It's night and day.
So, I use website like CBS Sports and Bleacher Report just to see what their viewpoint is, but I don't put much stock into what they say. By the way, Spoiler Alert, I'm going to contradict myself in about a week or so, when I address the strength of WR classes that we've been disagreeing about for a few weeks now.
I just don't give the secondary or third level websites nearly as much credit as others here do.
I appreciate that you're likely to disagree with me. And that's OK.
Last thought: Let me ask you this... a few seasons back, 3 WR's, Corey Davis, Mike Williams and John Ross were pick 5, 7 and 9. This year, Metcalf has been mocked in the mid-teens. So has Hollywood in a few mocks, but he's also being mocked in the 20's. But most of the other WR's are being mocked in the mid-late 20's and 30's and 40's. If this class is supposed to the best since the famed class of 2014, then why are most of this class being projected so late in the first round or in the 2nd round. That doesn't make sense if it's true. The claim is not being supported by what's being projected by pretty much everyone. Just some food for thought....
The links i posted took an entire 60 seconds to find. The reason why I included the 2018 is to show that this was an anticipated WR class and was expected to be quality going into last year. There's also plenty of Fantasy Football articles that like the 2019 class, one saying that 4 of the top 18 WRs (over the last 5 years) are in this class. If you prefer NFL.com, there's plenty of talk there about the quality of and depth of WR (I watch it daily).
In terms of numbers going in the first. Several factors. 1) I'm sure you would agree that in general, WR has been devalued a bit, and DE/DT has been overvalued a bit. 2) if you look at the primary needs of teams (link below) this year, ~31 DE/DT vs ~10 WR. 3) There are more DE/DT positions (raw and specialized) than WR on the field at any time.
And nobody is saying this isn't a better DE/DT class than WR. I'm just saying this is a pretty decent WR class too. I think our biggest need is a legit X, but I'm in favor of taking and iDL with 26, even if there might be a BPA WR available. That's simply because I think there will be a big drop off after the 1st in DE/DTs due to everyone reaching, and there will be plenty of good WRs 34-59.
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12 hours ago, Chloe6124 said:
Reich loves to use TE. I think they will both be here for a few more years.
Agree if Doyle is reasonable. Ideally, would think Reich would want to draft a young TE next year to groom beside the younger Ebron. Having two TEs in the top 15 highest paid isn't really healthy for the roster. The Colts are ranked #1 in $ spent on the TE position. Probably not where we should be. Then factor in our second highest paid WR is really WR/TE combo or TE-lite, and you need to make some common sense choices.
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19 minutes ago, NewColtsFan said:
Who are these many talking heads? I can't find them.
QuoteThe 2019 draft class of wide receivers is the best since the famed 2014 collection that featured Odell Beckham Jr., Mike Evans, Brandin Cooks, Davante Adams, and Jarvis Landry.
While there isn't a receiver prospect clearly standing above the rest, the top-end depth is staggering, and there's an awesome amount of mid-round talent capable of becoming quality contributors at the next level.
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2817756-ranking-every-position-in-the-2019-nfl-draft#slide10
Rolling ranked the WR class 3rd behind DE and DT
https://thedraftnetwork.com/articles/top-3-deepest-positions-for-the-2019-nfl-draft
Draft Network ranked 3rd deepest as well.
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1 hour ago, Chloe6124 said:
If Doyle comes back and plays well they will keep both. Reich likes his TE. Luck also loves throwing to TE. Doyle won’t cost a huge amount being close to 30. Doyle Nd Ebron bring different things to the table.
If he plays well, he won't be too cheap IMO. If he is, I agree.
TEs can be productive post 30, so wouldn't be surprised if he tried to maximize his value one last time. If he does, I just can't see the Colts signing both.
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Love Tillery, and I'm fine with him higher in the draft...... but having him higher than Oliver is a head scratcher.
Isabella is going to make a team very happy. Savage and Arcega-Whiteside way high IMO. Ferrell way low.
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42 minutes ago, Stephen said:
The whole offense vanished that game
TY was doubled all game, we got down early and became single threaded, and Reich's short pass play calling was predictable.
Lessons learned, get someone opposite of TY that can stretch the D, get a pass rush, and add a little k gun 4 vert (what Reich ran in Buf).
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7 hours ago, Superman said:
Very well said.
To me, the question is about how long it takes to go from having one of the worst rosters in the league to having one of the best rosters in the league. When you're building through the draft and not throwing around money in free agency, it's going to take multiple seasons.
I think an ideal outcome is to get four players from each draft who can eventually be average to above average starters on a good roster. Between the lack of overall talent and the scheme changes, there was plenty of room for improvement, and because of the trade in 2018, we were able to come away with at least five players who look like solid NFL starters, or better (Nelson, Leonard, Smith, Turay, Lewis), plus another who is a nice sub-player (Hines), a wild card (Cain), and another couple who probably have a role in the NFL (Wilkins, Adams). Last year was a bonus.
Even though 2017 was a transitional year, scouted and drafted for/with a different coaching staff, we probably came away with three solid starters -- Hooker, Mack, Wilson, and one sub-level guy, Walker.
If we can continue to get 4-5 starter-level / sub-level players in each draft, then over the course of three seasons, we will have added around 15 players who are legit pieces of our core. That's a nice core of 20-ish guys from the draft alone, not counting established vets and UDFA/waiver guys.
To me, the question of rebuilding is about re-stocking the roster primarily through the draft, which takes three years when you're starting from where the Colts were in 2017-18. And that's if you draft well every year, which Ballard has so far, from what we can tell. And you can't rush a player's development, so even if you nail the draft three years in a row, it will take 2-3 years even for first rounders to really hit their stride as pros.
It's NOT about how long it takes before we can compete. We were competitive last year; having Luck and a good coaching staff is all it takes to win 10 games every year. It's about how long it takes to build a solid foundation for a perennial contender. That foundation is well on its way, but it has not yet been laid to the degree that is necessary to be a top dog every season.
And then, taking that big step from competitive to true SB contender is the hardest part. People think you can take that step by being aggressive in free agency, but more often than not, that doesn't work. It definitely isn't a substitute for laying the foundation with good drafting.
To that point, I don't think Ballard is ever going to be a big player for so-called A-level players in free agency. He's said several times, he thinks free agency is overpriced, he backs away when the money gets beyond what he wants to pay (I still don't get the Funchess value, but I believe Ballard when he says he has a number on every guy)... and I don't think that's going to change moving forward. Definitely not to the degree that anyone will consider him a big spender in free agency. He might pay a premium for one specific player from time to time, but he's shown an aversion to long term contracts with tons of guaranteed money, and I think that's philosophical, not situational. (His unwillingness to do four years, $52m for 26 year old Preston Smith is an example. The yearly average for Justin Houston at 30 years old isn't much lower, but the overall commitment and the reduced likelihood that Smith finishes his contract is something that Ballard finds off-putting, and he said as much at the owners' meetings.)
TL;DR -- I think "rebuilding" is about restocking the roster through the draft so the Colts have a foundation to be a perennial contender, not about how long it will be before Ballard feels comfortable spending big money in free agency.
Agree with all the above.
The next two drafts are critical and interesting. I do wonder how they look at the 33ish who have contracts expiring in 2020. That's a lot of potential turnover. I do think we will see more FA acquisitions next year, but not a bunch of big name or long term guys.
Guessing they'll pick from Ebron and Doyle next year, and will have a decision to make with AC. There are a few other 2020 questions that will be interesting, but I think those are the big ones.
As far as competitive vs contender, I think we're very close to being a contender. IMO, we're an 800-1000 yard X and an 8 sack iDL away now that we have Houston.
I'm never going to depend on other teams getting worse, but I think several will take a step back. If we make a few of the correct moves, I certainly would not be surprised at all to see us in the AFC championship, or even in the SB this season. I just don't see any world beaters out there right now in the AFC or NFC. We're 6th in Vegas odds to win the SB this year, and none of the teams ahead of us scare me.
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12 minutes ago, shastamasta said:
But can he do it on the same play?
yup, if he thumped the wrong guy without the ball lol
my buddy said basically he's solid depth, not a starter, that might be able to improve if he learns to wrap up instead of going for the big hit down low.
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1 hour ago, NewColtsFan said:
OK.....
First, today's argument is totally different than what you wrote yesterday. Than what I responded to. Today you're saying that at pick 26, the value of a WR, or another position might be roughly the same as the value of the 10th or 12th best DL which might be available at 26. That's a completely different argument, and I'm not sure I'd strongly disagree with you.
What I responded to yesterday was this.....
"It's as much of a WR draft as it is a DL draft, and I actually like the WR value on Day 2 better than the DL value on Day 1."
The above in bold is an entirely different discussion. And I confess that what I read that my eyes popped out and my chin hit the floor. And I don't need an emoji to make that point. It was astonishing. Because there's not an ounce of truth in what I put into bold. None. Nada, Zip, Zero. As you well know, this is being called an historical level of DL draft talent in R1. While the WR class is mostly being called another disappointing class in a string of disappointing WR classes that we've had. And while it's somewhat better than last year's class, that's a pretty low bar to clear.
There's no universe where this as much of a WR draft as it is a DL draft.
Just out today, is Todd McShay's draft by tier's. He lists 117 players with grades of 3rd round or above. That last's to the middle of the 3rd round. He lists 22 DL's with 3rd round grades or better. He lists 13 WR's with 3rd round grades or better. What link is there to support your view of the WR class being comparable to the DL class? I can't imagine there is one, I'd think youd've posted it by now.
A study done by Pro Football Outsiders says basically while it's another poor WR class, they predict the top WR is Hollywood Brown.... yet they say his average yards per season is likely to be around 640 yards. And he's the BEST WR in the class according to them.
Look.... maybe I'm reading too much into what you wrote? Maybe you didn't write it the way you wanted? Maybe you've got a different meaning to what you're trying to say. I'm open to most any explanation? But it's got to make sense. Because what I reacted to, NOT WHAT YOU WROTE TODAY, but what I responded to, doesn't make sense at all.
As to the when? I'd guess by Day 3 of the draft things will be pretty apparent. And the ultimate test will be roughly 3 years from now.... what can I tell you, that's when there's more concrete evidence to evaluate.
Many draft talking heads think 2019 is the best WR class since 2015, maybe even 2014. Keep in mind that historically we almost always (if not always) have more DL (DE/DT) going in the first round (or first couple rounds) that any other position. In the last 25 (through 2015) years, 170 (DL) vs 99 (WRs) went in the 1st. In the last 10 years, 73 vs 40.
From a pure numbers perspective, DL should always be deeper than WR. It's not just about 4 DL positions vs 3 WR positions either. DLs are probably the position most positively impacted due to the play of the entire front 4, and also positively impacted by specialization. It's also why DL is is one of the highest % positions in the bust category. It's why we have a guy like Dexter Lawrence likely going in the first round even though he had significantly less snaps that the other 3 along the Clemson front 4.
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from a bud of mine who's a Browns fan.
Big hitter, and big miss'er.
Can make you go wow, or wth, or both, on the same drive.
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15 minutes ago, DerekDiggler said:
I have always had end zone seats and love them. This yr though. We upgraded to 310 so I won’t complain. My opinion level 3 is the best seats in the house
Since I moved to the South, my big screen is my best friend during football season. Besides family, I really miss going to sports games. When I was in Indy, sat in a variety of places in the old Hoosier/RCA dome. I really love the Lucas.
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18 minutes ago, DerekDiggler said:
People can watch football for a hundred yrs and still know nothing about.
Bring some Xs and Os to the conversation you have my attention
my theory is never watch the ball at the snap. You watch the oline vs dline . It determines everything. You’ll see why a play is a success or fails You can always find the ball afterward.
IMO the best seats are endzone you see everything. Bad part is you miss a lot at the other end of the field
i remeber they they did a Colts (I believe) game from behind the QB. it was awesome
also why I like the All 22’s.
I may may not know as much as a few on here but I am a student trying to learn and not a ball watching casual fan
so appreciate the input
yup, I like the "high endzone" view myself. i don't like sitting there lol, but i like the play views, both from the O and D perspectives. i'm sure the NFL at some point will you a choice of All 22s, High Endzone, and standard via TV or stream. i think the NCAA did a bit in the championship games. ESPN gave you 3 or 4 options. I watched a little of the "Coaches Room", but the screen shot of the game was too small to stay.
agree on the lines. while not sexy, they generally dictate the game more times than not. was so pumped when they took Q. i'm and ND fan too, so that helped. very happy about picking up Houston. i think the addition of a good iDL will make the entire front 4 one of the best in the NFL.
on the debate and discussion topic, agree. give me stats and Xs and Os any day.
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Obviously you have to beat the best.. I'm just not sure who the best is anymore.
Not sold on Goff or Trubisky. Brady and Breez are trying to outrun time, and Brady just lost his favorite safety blanket. Chiefs who already had issues with the run D, now have lost huge pieces of their pass D. And Seattle has a QB that might prefer bolting to NY.
Anyway, add a pass rush and increased WR production to last year's team and we're just as good as any in the top 10. Houston will definitely help. A few more adds in the draft could put us right there regardless of year 2 in plan.
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On 3/30/2019 at 10:11 PM, akcolt said:
I like a lot of the players you selected. Montgomery is one of my favorite players in this draft and Brown one of my favorite small school kids. I love the Irish flavor. Barr and Boykins could be steals where they are picked. I think whete Mack goes is going to surprise you. I wish you could have found a way to get Tillery.
The problem I have is I don't see us taking 2 WR's. The draft is supposed to be one of historic proportions at DL a point of focus for CB. We only draft 1 that would really surprise me.
On the Clock came out with their composite board finally.
This time, got Tillery. Could go either way on Montgomery/Snell and Wilson/Mack. Coney was available so I grabbed a LB, but didn't get a G. I really love the 6th and 7th round picks lol.
26: R1P26 DL JERRY TILLERY NOTRE DAME
34: R2P2 WR DEEBO SAMUEL SOUTH CAROLINA
59: R2P27 S JUAN THORNHILL VIRGINIA
89: R3P25 LB TE'VON CONEY NOTRE DAME
129: R4P27 RB BENNY SNELL KENTUCKY
135: R4P33 TE CALEB WILSON UCLA
164: R5P26 WR MILES BOYKIN NOTRE DAME
199: R6P26 CB JORDAN BROWN SOUTH DAKOTA STATE
240: R7P26 OT RYAN POPE SAN DIEGO ST.
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19 hours ago, DarkSuperman said:
Is Draft Simulator free?
yes. and easy.
there's others out there that's i've tried, but this one has been my fav. i like that you can select different big board ratings (updated regularly and you can preview), and also from multiple team needs.
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1 hour ago, DerekDiggler said:
Too much logic for some folks on here. Keep posting. I may not agree with everything you say but it is intelligent conversation.
Thanks double D. I don't mind disagreement at all. I just like thoughtful opinion and chat. It's going to very interesting to see DF play this year. He's an enigma to me as to where he's going to play, and how they'll use him relative to the other WRs and TEs. Production and value aside, I just want to win, and hope he kills it.
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4 hours ago, Superman said:
I saw the slot as the YAC guy. I think/hope they see the X as the YAC guy, and that guy should come from the draft. I think it would be a mistake to rely on Cain to do anything, especially since he got hurt so late in the year. Even if he's ready to go full speed at camp, he still has never played a real NFL game.
Rogers and Grant combined for 124 targets last season. I could see Funchess getting 75% of those targets, so somewhere around 90 for the year. And if they use him right, I think a reasonable expectation is 60 catches, 800 yards. And that doesn't exactly blow me away, which is why I have a problem with the value on the deal, but that's decent production for a big slot who will be competing with two TEs in the middle of the field.
Ideally, I'd like to see X, Z, and slot as YAC guys, and the TEs as big possession guys. I don't mind at all having a TE-lite guy like DF moved around as a situational WR.
Rogers took a nice step forward last year with Luck back, and had a pretty good catch rate. Not bad for an UDFA. Don't think he's a long term answer, and only one year left under contract.
On Cain, yup, can't rely on him, or assume anything this year. Anything you can get out of him is just gravy.
Agreed on the production numbers and value. I just hope he's a compliment to, not a productivity thief from guys like Ebron or Doyle.
I think it was you that said you liked WR depth and value above. I think it's pretty strong too.
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