VocableLoki
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I don't even consider myself the most ardent Chuck supporter. I just cannot understand the lengths people go to tear him apart.
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3 minutes ago, BOTT said:
I wasn't equating them. They are just two things that are a matter of record that no one takes seriously. Well, one person does....
Not taking them seriously, just responded to an earlier conversation on his record.
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1 minute ago, bababooey said:
Take away year 1 when he did not coach and hes 11-5 twice and 8-8 twice. Horrible record outside of our division, now record within division is tanking. Same mistakes. Same unpreparedness. Terrible at his specialty. Actually its getting worse. Hes like a nice Rex Ryan.
No he's not, look at how Ryan just left Buffalo. You think we have dysfunctional problems...
To your point: he had a 3-3 division record this year and a 4-2 one last year. Hardly "tanking," yes his record within the division is better than out. So? You need to wrap up winnable division games to compete.
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In general, I would think we should look towards established coaches more than a high risk/reward guy. We want to maximize Luck's upcoming prime years.
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1 minute ago, BOTT said:
What's he supposed to say about his friend that was battling cancer? "Naw, it was all me"?
The record books also show USC didn't win the national championship in 2004 due to being stripped by the NCAA. Nobody gives to poops. Everyone knows USC won the title.
I don't equate a team being stripped of wins for violations with a coach getting credit for wins with a team he put in place.
It's not letting like he had to say anything. Players were inspired by Pagano's fight, the Green Bay game that year seemed to propelled by that inspiration. It seems perfectly reasonable that those wins are on his record.
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3 minutes ago, Corndog said:
Frank is a class act and a worker, have a lot of respect for what he does. Hope he gets to the promised land wearing the horseshoe. He has been very vocal about wanting this team to make the playoffs and I love seeing that type of passion. Not only that, but for what he has done in this sport, he deserves it.
Definitely, the run game seemed to step up in general this year. Let's hope it continues.
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2 minutes ago, BOTT said:
I think everyone else in the world disagrees
Except Arians with that quote and the record book, which will award him those wins, etc.
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16 minutes ago, BOTT said:
I don't think the most ardent fans of Chuck would include those wins. Bruce, not Chuck, won coach of the year for a reason.
I don't understand that: Chuck had all of his systems in place and Arians followed his plan. He was the unquestioned inspirational crux for that team, I would say he deserves credit for those wins along with Arians.
"More than anything it was Chuck. Coach, you set the path. We just rode the bus and kept the lights on the whole time."
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2 minutes ago, Colts_Fan12 said:
Hardly as mediocre as chuck plus chuck is a mere 12 games above 500 hardly "way over 500" when the 2 we are comparing were over 30 games over 500 at the same point in time
Actually, Tomlinson was 8-8 in 12-13 and Haurbaugh has gone 5-11 and 8-8 the past two seasons, with another 8-8 season so they have been as or even more mediocre than Chuck. 49-31 puts him 18 games over .500, which is very substantial.
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1 minute ago, Colts_Fan12 said:
Damn right his record should be better I just showed that Harbaugh and Tomlin were better in 5 years and they were in a way more difficult division and Harbaugh didn't even have a luck type QB yet they both still have won a SB.
His record is 49-31, a .613 percentage, that's very good. I would agree Tomlinson and Haurbaugh had better starts and are more accomplished. It's worth pointing out they each have had stretches a mediocre play too, though.
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2 minutes ago, Colts_Fan12 said:
12 games over 500 while in the AFC South? Yeah that's not good
So, to recap: he doesn't get credit for wins he had in his first season and his wins don't mean as much because he is in the AFC South. I guess he is an under .500 coach all in all.
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Overall point being: Chuck has a very good record overall 5 years in to his career.
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1 minute ago, Colts_Fan12 said:
Yeah he was coaching them from his home or the hospital? sure they go on his record but he didn't coach them Bruce did no matter if you like that or not.
Again, his team that he put together. Arians followed Chuck's vision, so that is still Chuck's team. Arians took on some more duties but had been calling the offensive plays anyway so that didn't change much, Manusky still called defensive plays. If I remember correctly, Chuck did plenty of work from the hospital once he was able.
Not sure what there is to argue, Pagano was still the head coach and still gets credit for the win.
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2 minutes ago, Colts_Fan12 said:
Dear lord another excuse for chuck. Are you a related?
Not an excuse. It's how coaching records are calculated and justifiably so; those wins are on Chuck's record, that is simply a fact.
EDIT: Same with "barely over .500." 32-20 would be 61.5%, his record of 44-26 would be 62.9
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44 minutes ago, Colts_Fan12 said:
I did forget the 3 losses that Bruce had so it would technically be 32-20. Just barely over 500. in the south and having Luck = pathetic. Also the other 2 I do belive had won their SB's by year 5 too.
Just checked the website I was looking at was 4 years so it's actually 40-28 thanks for catching that and making me check it out more.
112 wins is not "barely over .500," and the wins belong to Chuck, it was his team that he put together and Arians coached it the way Chuck wanted.
On track: I really hope Gore sticks around, love that guy. A real hard runner and clearly a classy professional. If we can get two more years out of him that would be terrific.
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9 minutes ago, Myles said:
I'd take Jim Bob Cooter over Pagano.
Who wouldn't take Jim Bob Cooter? Just imagine the marketing possibilities...
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Just now, jshipp23 said:
Shouldn't have had to battle back at home from 17 points down to a 3-13 team is the POINT...
Fine, don't think anyone is arguing that. The fact that the players celebrated is pretty irrelevant, though, no?
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Just now, VocableLoki said:
The slow starts and record do not point to the team tuning him out, if anything, Pagano's ability to gain the respect of everyone in the locker room and have the players continuing to fight is his best attribute. If the players had tuned Pagano out, then he would probably already be gone.
Stop with the "shameful" and "embarrassing" rhetoric. The players were excited about a comeback victory but still very disappointed by the season as a whole. Again, how are they supposed to react to a win like that? There's nothing embarrassing about that. If anything it speaks to the culture that the Colts were even willing to battle back in a meaningless game after a poor performance.
Missed the "trash coach" bit in there, Jason already summed that up well though.
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25 minutes ago, jshipp23 said:
Assuming he is competent and teaching them appropriately, I would say the team record, slow starts , and overall performance of the team is evidence....Either that or he is just a trash coach...Celebrate beating a 3-13 team at home at the last second to finish 8-8, like you just won a playoff game is shameful and embarrasing to the Winning tradition here..
The slow starts and record do not point to the team tuning him out, if anything, Pagano's ability to gain the respect of everyone in the locker room and have the players continuing to fight is his best attribute. If the players had tuned Pagano out, then he would probably already be gone.
Stop with the "shameful" and "embarrassing" rhetoric. The players were excited about a comeback victory but still very disappointed by the season as a whole. Again, how are they supposed to react to a win like that? There's nothing embarrassing about that. If anything it speaks to the culture that the Colts were even willing to battle back in a meaningless game after a poor performance.
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2 minutes ago, jshipp23 said:
Pagano is a "glass half full" kinda guy...He said it himself. .They need a coach to get on their a**, the nice guy, get back to work clichés are getting old..Players are tuning him out at this point. .I think it worked early on first few seasons, but he has peaked time to move on...He doesn't seem upset enough to me , he should be ticked and the players should be ticked..
4Where's the evidence that players are tuning him out?ey are okay with this season. They still seem to be playing hard and buying into the message to me. Both he and the players have consistently described the results of the season as unacceptable, I haven't gotten the impression once that the season is okay with them.
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2 minutes ago, jshipp23 said:
Pagano is a "glass half full" kinda guy...He said it himself. .They need a coach to get on their a**, the nice guy, get back to work clichés are getting old..Players are tuning him out at this point. .I think it worked early on first few seasons, but he has peaked time to move on...He doesn't seem upset enough to me , he should be ticked and the players should be ticked..
4Where's the evidence that players are tuning him out?ey are okay with this season. They still seem to be playing hard and buying into the message to me. Both he and the players have consistently described the results of the season as unacceptable, I haven't gotten the impression once that the season is okay with them.
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I really struggle with the logic "he's had one of the best starts to a QB career ever and is coming off one of his best seasons but I don't think he will live up to the hype or be one of the all time greats." Not sure how he hasn't lived up to the hype, given his overall body of work thus far and don't see how he won't be great when he could have another ten years ahead of him. Did we expect him to have Super Bowls and MVPs by year five? Crazy.
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Anyone going to point out that Allen had 24 less receptions and 23 less targets than Doyle and still had a pretty good stat line? It wouldn't make any sense to get rid of balanced tight end in our offense, as noted above Allen wouldn't command a lot of trade value anyway.
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9 minutes ago, VaAllDay757 said:
Home games
Denver
Steelers
Titans
Jags
Houston
Browns
Cardinals
49ers
Away games
Seahawks
Rams
Baltimore
Bengals
Titans
Jags
Texans
Bills
If we have the same gameplan in 2017 like we did in 2016 I don't see us winning much maybe 8 games again this schedule will be toughest since luck been in indy
I don't agree this is our toughest schedule. Only 4 games against playoff teams and two of those are Houston. Lots of winnable games with more tough ones at home. Can easily see 10+ wins depending on our offseason.
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Rex Ryan went 9-7 and 11-5 his first two years then never had another winning season. He is 61-67 overall. Chuck has done better and players are openly criticizing him, don't see the comparison.