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    PFF Picks TJ Lang for Colts

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    If Zeitler or Lang hit FA they would be my top priority as there are some high estimated figures for the edge players. Having a quality guard to help mentor and solidify the o-line will do wonders for Luck's health. Cincy also had to sign Whitworth and I think the reports are they really will only sign one. Lang has stated he is willing to take a pay cut to stay in GB so if one gets to FA then we need to pony up.

    Kevin Zeitler - G - Bengals

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    3 hours ago, Track Guy said:

     

    I think it'd be easily justified to give Zeitler something in the order of David Decastro's contract, 10 mil per year. We can afford it, many of our O-linemen are on rookie contracts. 

    Help solidify the o-line to get some larger holes for our backs and give Luck a little more time will do wonders. Then really let's Ballard focus on improving our defense without worrying about the offense til later.

    Latest NFL.com 3 round Mock has us taking

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    I would get behind this draft with ease. Thomas gives us that relentless edge player that leads by example and will be a true leader, however I don't see him lasting till our pick. I'm not "wowed" by Cunningham there isn't a particular trait of his that really sticks out essentially a jack of trades and master of non. He is going to be that ILB that racks of tackles left and right but isn't going to make a ton of high impact plays imo e.g. turnovers. Mixon in all honesty is a top 3 RB in this draft and gets comped to L. Bell but can you deal with the video tape? I think Ballard is willing too, look at M. Peters and T. Hill. This draft would get us an impact defensive leader and a stud running back but may be a PR nightmare so it's really hard to knock this draft.

    Mike Mayock's Top-5 at every position (1.0)

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    Kizer as QB1, he's 3rd on my board after Watson and Trubinksy. Mixon, as RB5 I have a hard time really placing him on my board but he would be in talks of top 2 RB. A. Garcia is my T2 and Cam Robinson I don't see the hype but if we are going to label him as guard I would say 3 G after Lamp and Feeney. ILB is spot on with my board. Corner I would switch Lattimore with Jones. Safety I would move Peppers down as Buddha Baker is going to be a stud. Edge I would move T. Williams to 4 and move Thomas/Takk up. Nothing too crazy from my top 5 to his but some minor differences/preferences. Every way I look at this draft it's loaded I think if you draft right you can pickup true starters in the fourth round.

    What would you pick with our 1st?

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    6 hours ago, Majin Vegeta said:

    Explain please. I put potential #15 defenders, and then the 2 "star" RB. You act like I put Jonathon Allen and Jamal Adams as options.. sorry other people don't value a RB as high as you do. It was a good thread, let me know there is some common sense here :)

     

    And that's fine.

    Do you think I care that I have a running back in my top 10 and others don't? My day will go on and common sense would indicate that everyone has an opinion, therefore, people will differ. The pole should be something along the lines of if player X, Y, And Z are available who would you select. I never answered the pole but if I did assuming those players were available I would go Reuban Foster 10 out of 10 times. He's higher up on my board and I value the position more.

    What would you pick with our 1st?

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    9 hours ago, Majin Vegeta said:

     Woahhh take it easyy. And imo Thomas, Takk, Williams and Jones are also tier 1. 

    The way the question for the poll is worded makes the thread pointless but that's my opinion. I have doubts about putting Williams in that second tier until I can get my hands on some interviews where he discusses defensive schemes and his personal life. I want to make sure he can comprehend the game and not just be a toolbox and I want to make sure he seems genuine about his drug mistakes. 

    What would you pick with our 1st?

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    4 hours ago, dgambill said:

    I don't buy that sir.

     

    Day 2 backs in the NFL

    1. Bell 2nd rd (48)

    2. D. Johnson 3rd rd (86)

    3. J Charles 3rd rd (73)

    4. F Gore 3rd rd (65)

    5. M Forte 2nd rd (44)

    6. L. McCoy 2nd rd (53)

    7. L Miller 4th rd (97)

    8. D. Freeman 4th rd (103)

    9. J Howard 5th rd (150)

    10 J Ajayi 5th rd (149)

    11 D. Murray 3rd (71)

    12 L Blount undrafted

    and many many more.

     

    So for every Peterson and Elliott we can see that evry single one of these guys would be available in the second to later rds where we would pick. Fact is the while yes an elite rb could be there in the first rd....similar production can be found in later rds from rbs. Of course there are rbs in rd 1 that turn out to be good like Peterson, Elliott, Martin, Gurley but we also see if their OL sucks they aren't going to be much better than one of these later rd picks...and perhaps not even as good as what we see from these backs all things equal. My sentiment is that there are a few positions on the football field that just aren't as valuable (production over replacement..think WAR in baseball)...RB, S, TE would typically be these players because you can find value later in the draft or on your team that can replace almost if not as much production as you would lose from not having the very best. For this reason there must be a clear talent or separation for me to select a guy...or pay a guy a premium contract at one of these positions. So...for my money I would expect us to take someone other than a rb in rd 1....just my opinion though. As you can see from my quick list...if this draft is typical of any other draft (probably so) there will be a rb of value in rd 2 or later for us that will likely be every bit as productive as say a rd 1 talented back.

    Don't buy what? The logic could be applied to any position because in reality drafting players is just playing the odds. I'm going to guess that roughly 20 running backs get selected each year in the draft and more get signed shortly after due to various reasons (falling through the cracks/punching someone "Blount"/drugs/etc.), therefore, statistically speaking I hope there are some starting running backs from day 2. I'm not advocating against using a pick from day 2 on a running back. My main point is that if Fournette is available and there is no defender on the same tier, why wouldn't you draft the best running back prospect since AP? In all reality, Fournette won't get past Carolina and sooner so this thread is pointless. To answer my question regarding which defense prospects I would select over Fournette it would go: Garrett, Allen, Foster, Hooker, Lattimore, and Barnett. I'm interested in Thomas, Takk, and Taco in that second tier possibly Watt and Reddick if they interview well and have a solid combine.

    What would you pick with our 1st?

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    6 hours ago, Majin Vegeta said:

    I've said before on here, if only a "tier 2" defender is available then yeah take Cook. But the odds of a tier 1 defender not being there are prettty damn slim IMO.

    And this is a great draft to get a RB in later rounds.

    I think our definition on tier 1 defender that is a scheme fit differs. What players are you thinking are tier 1 that you would draft over Fournette? Additionally, I'm not saying this isn't a loaded running back but the odds one of the day 2 backs has remotely the same production as Fournette/Cook is slim.

    What would you pick with our 1st?

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    2 hours ago, Majin Vegeta said:

    Of course, but common sense says a good defender will be there at #15. We're not picking at the end of the draft. And hopefully this is the last time for while that we're picking so high, and if so, I'd rather get the high value position that usually is not available later in the 1st. 

    Common sense says there is going to be good players on the board, however, are they a scheme fit, how does our FO evaluate them, do they hold up during interview, etc. There are a variables that effect who we are going to draft and to state otherwise is just speculation. I agree we need to focus on defense but if a running back is available that is a tier or two above defense prospects that are a scheme fit you have to pull the trigger on the running back in my eyes. I hate seeing, "we can draft one in the later rounds." If it was that easy then we/everyone else would have a stud running back.

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