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36 minutes ago, krunk said:
Same situation again. We know for a fact just about that there is going to be a fantastic player on the board when that pick comes. I don't see us trading out of that spot unless we can get an absolute haul. Or Barkley and Chubb are gone. That's the only way I see us trading out of the spot.
It’s not the same situation. It’s about value, grabbing the 4th overall ranked player at 16 shows incredible value at 16. I’m not advocating we should trade down but the situation isn’t the same as one instance you get a premier player at 16 which is worth a ton less than 3rd overall. It’s the reason why so many are against taking Nelson in the top 3-5 because “value.” No one knows CB’s board but if he has 5 prospects ranked similar and they are available he “probably” will trade down to get extra draft capitol to build through the draft as he preached so many times.
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35 minutes ago, krunk said:
I don't think we are going to trade out of the spot anyway. They made it known up front in last years draft they wanted to trade back and they didn't even do it until like the 4th round if my memory serves me right. I think they'd have to offer an absolute haul to get Ballard to trade out of that spot. It's either going to be Barkley or Chubb and you know what my opinion is. Chubb
I don’t think anyone thought Hooker was going to be available in the first or Wilson in the second. They were both fantastic values at the time so I’m sure he weighed that with a trade down. I think I remember seeing a picture showing Hooker was like 4th on our board at the time.
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A new OC will also help our o-line. A guard in the second or third (e.g. Will Hernandez, Isaiah Wynn) will be great value added to the line. There isn't any quality tackles in FA so that leaves you with the draft but are you willing to drop multiple picks on the o-line when our D needs some playmakers?
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I would take that and try to fill as many holes as possible. CB could adress a ton of issues and build through the draft. The future first could be the most interesting part if they decided to start a rookie QB.
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Some of those picks are projected to go a littler sooner (e.g. Leighton Vander Esch) and currently rising. Fitzpatrick is a common pick for the Browns at 4. I like some of the signings but I think Ballard will be conservative and only make one big splash in FA.
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I’ve been liking Hernandez and Wynn a lot but haven’t looked at Cappa. Wynn I could see early second round and Hernandez I wouldn’t be surprised to see in the mid second. It would be nice to trade back in the first and get another second rounder to help the o line.
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2 hours ago, NewColtsFan said:
I can't fault them for using Fanspeak?
Since they've been invented, I've been stating these fan mock websites are fun but worthless. That those who run them do not know how to grade college players.
If I had one dollar for every time I've posted that, I'd be RICH!
They're fun. They're addictive. I totally get that. Just don't read too much into them. Because you'll be disappointed when reality doesn't look like these fan site mocks.
Never said you can’t fault them but “can’t fault them too bad”. Everyone knows Fanspeak is unrealistic and that’s why individuals posting their mocks on the forum get ridiculed. They are getting first round grades players in the third round (e.g. Jaire Alexander) hence why I said they are just doing it for fun. It’s hard to predict how the draft will fall out and I can’t blame the software developer for trying to capture that logic into a script. The useful part of the post for me at least was to see how individuals would strategize about the draft.
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Just a FYI, his brother plans CB in Seattle and will takeover CB1 there when Sherman ages. I see them throwing a pick at him.
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7 minutes ago, NewColtsFan said:
Most of the mock's are ridiculous.
Its easy to make an awesome mock putting first round players in the second and putting second round players in the third. How hard is that?
Stampede Blue does not do a good job on mocks. To get excited over these is a waste of your time.
They used Fanspeak so cant really fault them too bad since they were just having fun. Yeah, I wouldn’t get too excited like you said but it is interesting to see some different thought processes.
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9 minutes ago, dgambill said:
I think people will see what they want to see. I would say Sean Lee has more to do with their success then Elliott and I would say Jacksonville's defense has a whole heck of a lot more to do with the fact they got that far then Fournette. A great defense allows you the benefit to run the ball and not play from behind. Just to look at what Dallas was before Elliott came....they had a 3rd Rd running back by the name of Demarco Murray who simply rushed for over 1800 yds and 500 yds receiving....a better season then Elliott has ever given them. Elliott hasn't transformed the Cowboys....that OL transformed the Cowboys...so if you want a dominant running game how about we draft some lineman and see where that takes us. The Cowboys are not significantly better with Elliott over what they had with Murray....they are significantly better with Frederick, Martin, Cooper, Collins, and most importantly Tyron Smith. Everyone here wants to have a great running back...but in the scheme of building a football team we have some huge deficits at many positions and there are many that believe all positions are not equal on a football team. If we take Barkley then I will trust Ballards/McDaniels plan to fix the OL to make RB position a significant focus of this team...but viewing how most teams in the league are built...and specifically NE...I'm not holding my breath.
To further illustrate your point as Sean Lee is outstanding.
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11 hours ago, BlueShoe said:
He said my opinion was ridiculous and I told him that his opinion was illogical.
Does it really matter?
Nope.
In the end, Barkley is the best non-quarterback in the 2018 NFL Draft. And it's not even close.
I think Darnold and Barkley are both generational players. We also have some other quarterbacks in this draft that could have Hall of Fame type careers.
Sorry, double post. Darn iPhone.
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10 hours ago, BlueShoe said:
He said my opinion was ridiculous and I told him that his opinion was illogical.
Does it really matter?
Nope.
In the end, Barkley is the best non-quarterback in the 2018 NFL Draft. And it's not even close.
I think Darnold and Barkley are both generational players. We also have some other quarterbacks in this draft that could have Hall of Fame type careers.
You think Sam Darnold is a generational player?
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4 hours ago, crazycolt1 said:
The thing with the Giants is they don't really have a RB on their roster who could be a starter for any other team in the NFL. Picking Barkley might be on their mind if he is there past the Browns.
Makes sense but they could also look to address the need through FA. Personally I hope they take him so our pick becomes more valuable. The only consensus on the board is resigning Fluker and shipping out Apple/JPP.
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11 hours ago, NorthernBlue said:
Giants already got a pretty okay D tho. They were really good in 2016. I feel like if they don't go QB, it has to be RB or Oline.
Just from browsing the Giants forum, plenty are in the boat of wanting Chubb to replace JPP. Barkley is a favorite atm based on the posts I’ve read as some believe Webb may develop and is better than what they are going to find in round 2. I could also see them trading back and acquiring a future first.
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No, who is Pete Smith?
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Who is this?
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On 1/19/2018 at 6:59 AM, WarGhost21 said:
I have to be the buzzkill here, sorry. You can't judge a player off of a highlight reel. They never will show anything bad. You need to watch full game tape to see everything. So I can't really take this seriously. Yes, Chubb is a good football player, but in actual full game tapes you will see him taking plays off every so often and I would rather have a player like Marcus Davenport as an EDGE guy in the second round seeing as he took maybe only one play off all season. It's an effort issue, and you don't see that in highlight reels!
Davenport is going first round. Probably in the 10s since he could potentially be the next Chandler Jones.
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11 hours ago, horseshoecrabs said:
Bob Griese won rings with Larry czonka & Jim Kick & Mercury Morris. How Many did Dan Marino win
That’s a good point considering majority of Marino’s days in Miami his defense was poorly ranked. He never had a great defense best they ever assembled was middle of the pack. In the current state of the league you need to have a great defense in order to get the ring. Offense heavy teams could do it in the 20th century but in the 21st century the odds are heavily against you.
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1 hour ago, wordofmouth said:
As TvTurner said He is a little older than ideal ( I thought he was a little younger based on his draft year) but the thing about the O line is we need improvement immediately if we want Luck to have any kind of career longevity
Could also utilize our cap and acquire free agent o-lineman while still grabbing Chubb. Only way I’m trading down is for an overpayment in draft picks or young studs but those don’t get shipped off.
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1 - I’d prefer EJ Gaines if Melvin isn’t resigned
2 - Bid to a reasonable amount for Norwell and take a stab at DJ Fluker
4 - Not interested in Landry or Butler
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21 minutes ago, bleed blue 4 life said:
Every Colt team that I have followed and done well had a premier running back Unitas had Lennty Moore , Bert had Lydell Mitchell and Peyton had James , I rest my case
How many rings do Peyton and James have together?
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We would trade the pick. All QBs would be available and select BPA on the trade down.
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How are we going to critique something without getting the context? How are we drafting all of these first rounders and at what cost are we signing these free agents. Why is everyone assuming we are going to move AC to RT? He did a good job and a rookie tackle can/should play the right in this situation.
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1 hour ago, IndyScribe said:
I don't really like that trade. We trade down too far and miss out on a generational talent. Colts need quality players. There's no Chubb/Barkley/Fitzpatrick/Nelson at that pick.
A fair comparison would be to compare whom you’d select (e.g Chubb) to who may be there at 21 and 22 while also remembering there will be a first rounder in 2019 coming. At 21 and 22, let’s say you get two of the following (Tremaine Edmunds/Roquon Smith, Josh Jackson/Denzel Ward, or One of Big three tackles: Williams, Brown, McGlinchey). What combination of draft would you find it acceptable to bypass Chubb to whoever you think Ballard should select?
First round mock with possible trades explored
in NFL Draft, Scouting, and Free Agent Talk
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Like I said only reason we wouldn’t trade back is if our prospect grading there was a huge drop off in talent. No one on these boards know how our war room is ranking them currently or what they will be come draft time since it’s fluid. I think we are saying the same thing except that last year has no influence on what we do this year.