mikey287
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Silly question. I will set the over/under at 2.5.
Over -250
Under +140
I'll bet under...
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Again, talking talent...not something his semi-pro teams did in an amateur circuit.
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I don't know what you could have been watching. Scouting off of highlights is fool's gold, so here's an every throw video...I don't think you'll watch it because you seem incredibly biased against this player for whatever reason. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8lm7uABtQQk
They benched him because the franchise has been running around like a headless chicken since Bernie Kosar. They play three quarterbacks a year, they hire a new coach every year...I mean that's just Browns being Browns. I mean, Christ, they failed to make a trade because they forgot to call the league...they. forgot. to. call. the. league. You're taking their side...those guys. The guys that forgot to call the league. About a trade. Forgot to call them. Them.
They benched him because they have not successfully developed virtually any skill players in a while. It's unclear that they know how.
I don't know how you're determining how he's going through reads, but he has definitely shown that upside. Right now, he's probably only a two-read guy. But he only has a handful of games college & pro under his belt. No one is claiming he's going to walk into the league and murder it, the idea is nurturing his terrific upside. You can see upside (or you can't, it depends on your ability to evaluate talent properly) and that's one steep development arc he's got there. From the feet to the arm talent, the head looks like it's on pretty tight too. The upside is, again, probably about the highest in the draft class.
He's been regarded for his confidence and unflappable nature. That's a good foundation for leadership qualities. I'm not in the locker room, so I can't speak directly to it...anyone who does is either a) there or b) grasping at straws. I'll leave that for you to answer which category applies.
McCarron demonstrably can NOT make "all the throws" that's precisely why the four-year college starter has played half as many games as the two-year man that came up quick due to injury and was thrust into a starting role much younger than McCarron and with much less experience. One player has the upside to be a really terrific starter in this league, the other player - who we have seen much more of on the national scene - does not.
All right I just read the rest of that from "make all the throws" and down and it is a disturbing take at the least...maybe sit a few plays out. It talks about leadership a lot, which you - assuming again you weren't in the Alabama locker room or in Cincinnati's AND also in Cleveland's (you have some kind of job...) - that's just baseless conjecture.
Then calling Kizer the worst to play the position or whatever garbage that is, that's again, just this insane bias and/or horrendous talent evaluation. I'm thinking "and". I don't know if Deshone ran over your dog or what, but it really sounds this guy screwed you over at some point personally...
I don't know, it's tough to read that...it doesn't make a lot of sense, most of it's just inaccurate, the rest of it is irrelevant...I don't know that I can help you here and it doesn't seem like you're open to or capable of actually discussing what I want to discuss...so I think I'm just gonna leave it here.
You can have the last word...I don't need it.
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That makes sense then...I didn't know he was hurt, as he doesn't ever play after being a first round pick (I think?) by a team with no starting QB...Paxton was a project from the get-go, but he has no mentor (sans Elway, I guess...?) and gets no play, I wonder what they do to develop him there...assuming they do something, that is...
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Not Paxton Lynch...butwhy.gif
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This is not a tenable position. Nor does it address talent concerns. Naturally, the guy who was a four-year starter on the only semi-pro team in his completely amateur racket did well...just like all of their RBs that pan out in the pros...*cough*
Scott Tolzien also won the Golden Arm award, which doesn't necessarily just focus on on-the-field exploits. There is no correlation between winning that award and being successful:
Good: Mariota, Luck, Ryan, Mannings.Palmer
Bad: Basically everyone else: Cook, Klein, Tolzien, McCoy, Harrell, Quinn, Leinart, Jason White, Weinke, Redman, McNown, Wuerffel, Frazier, Barker, Ward, Torretta, Weldon, etc.
Yeah, again, the passer rating thing...you're making my point for me...as there is a lot more failure there than success. Same with passing yards, I mean look at the top-15 all-time leaders in passing yards in NCAA history...did even three of them become NFL successes? I haven't looked at the list in a while, but I believe it's a Who's Who of Nobodies.
I don't get why you would need to cut the legs out from Kizer and not mention his 10-win season as a first-year starter. That smacks of needless bias in what is already a flimsy, contextless tale that meanders along the line of irrelevance to the subject matter (the pro prospects of a quarterback).
Heh, oh wait I just realized it got better. So, Kizer got no credit for the 10-win season (only for one of the most disappointing ones in history or whatever noise) but McCarron gets credit for "helped his team win their first postseason game in two decades before..." - a home playoff game, that he lost, because he couldn't generate any offense at all for three quarters...? He gets credit for a win there...? This is bad even for internet discourse.
And to sum it all up, somehow, Kizer is "outclassed" in every way (with a creepy reference to resident creep Brent Musberger's infatuation with a 19 year old college girl or whatever)...yet not one instance of any talent that McCarron has over Kizer (hint: there isn't much there)...no mention that Kizer started as a 20 or 21 year old rookie and McCarron won't crack the league before 28 if he ever does...no mention that Kizer has much more arm talent, that he can actually push balls to the boundary without a giant hitch step, has almost no mobility, lacks pocket poise (I mean, he did have 9 seconds to throw at Bama, so that makes sense, as he hasn't seen an edge rusher since his junior year of high school), is not a strong iso thrower, is not a threat to push the ball over 15 yards down the field reliably, his accuracy on flat patterns is inconsistent because he lazily doesn't step through that pass and his late release point causes balls to dip into the ground and away from receivers which prevents YAC, really his somewhat lazy mechanics are a big drawback, he just doesn't follow through enough with his hips/shoulders/front foot to reliably deliver footballs with a consistent release/release point, his shoulders sit back and away while his feet/knees/hips remain pretty stiff, which takes away from any zip he could possibly have...while Kizer is skinny, he's also still a kid...even as a grown man, McCarron doesn't have much of a frame...which might explain his timidness against any semblance of a rush...
I'd be happy to discuss the prospects of these players from a talent perspective, as "hotter girlfriend" is not readily used to determine who gets a starting job in the NFL...
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1. Meh...there's wasn't a lot to rebuke in my post, so I figured it wouldn't solicit a response.
2. I don't think I've commented much on his performance, performance - in very small sample sizes - is heavily influenced by circumstance. I comment on talent. Talent is what leads to long-term success. AJ is notably lacking in this area as of the last time I saw him and the years leading up to that last time. I do not watch those networks, it seems like they sling some serious misinformation, so I will continue to not give them my business. I appreciate the update that they are still bad.
3. I'd understand wanting to upgrade on Kessler as well, as he's not a system fit. Cleveland needs someone to play "hero ball" until they build some semblance of a team. Kessler needs to be in a Minnesota or a New England. McCarron, also not a "plus" quarterback, would need this to have a prayer also...and even that is asking a lot from him. The difference between Kizer and McCarron's potential, is that Kizer has some. I'm not sure what McCarron has "shown" or "proven" yet...Kizer has played more games in the show at 21 than McCarron has played up to and including the age of 27. That will be the case at 28 as well.
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That's correct, it doesn't change anything. He hasn't shown the upside to be even a mid-tier NFL starter, so the idea that he is a desirable piece is seen as strange to those who have been watching him since he was at Bama (well, not the last couple years, as he hasn't been good enough to play in the league during this time)...
How they would somehow net more for him than Jimmy G is startling and seemingly the nature of some sort of Halloween prank...
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Huh? Considered by whom? He hasn't thrown a ball in the NFL in three years...
Kizer, who has about as high of a ceiling as anyone in his draft class...and Cody Kessler, who is more of a system type QB. If he was in a situation where he didn't need to be a hero (like Andrew Luck for instance) and he could just sit back there and tear teams apart 8 yards at a time and only need to get to 21 points (Sam Bradford, for instance, in Minnesota has this luxury) then he'd be a very effective player. If a New England or someone got him, he'd probably end up being a player...
But McCarron is a complete nobody...he was a nobody at 'Bama, and he's a nobody here...just not an enticing skill set unless something has changed over the last 12 months or so...which is possible, but he never gave off "I have a ceiling of an NFL starter" vibe for most of his developmental years...
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I don't get this...not the Browns being Browns part...that all makes sense...but I wouldn't have guessed AJ McCarron was still in the league...he wasn't very good in college and the Browns have two quarterbacks that are both younger and better than him...this is as fortunate of a thing that's happened to Cleveland since LeBron James came in promptly represented about 78% of the city's economic output...
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JG actually has a lot of upside. If the 49ers think he can be the guy (and he really does have that upside, I'm not just saying that because he's a young QB...most young QBs don't have a lot of potential, that's just the nature of the beast) then they can use their top 3 or 5 pick on something more productive and still have a starting QB.
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That makes the Eagles a major threat...
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3 hours ago, deedub75 said:
If the rumors are correct that the Colts are actively shopping TY, how can anyone on here say it’s dumb to trade him. Are you all suddenly smarter than Ballard now?
I mean, I get where you're coming from...but by that logic, the message board/talk radio business would go bankrupt...
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1 minute ago, JMichael557 said:
Will the "free agents" had lead the team in receiving and be a pro bowler?
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No.
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I don't agree with the thread title.
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The only thing I don't get is the "I was right" part...you aren't wrong, probably, as teams do their own evaluating obviously...but the "I was right" part seems out of place...
That said, the NFL clubs have access to all the video they want...i can't imagine that PFF has private camera work being done...so that steers me back to the raw data, as opposed to the grades (interpretations of data, that is) that are the selling point...
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"Out of place" games and lackluster training camps and limper and limper practices and everyone gets hurt when things go full speed...? Weird.
Maybe try moving the kickoffs up another five yards...
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That and football's nine month offseason anyhow...
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I...can't help you...I mean, DHB isn't an NFL regular in terms of skill, neither is Eli Rogers. JSS is coming around quick, yes more polished is fair, but not as steep of a development arc, certainly...but no one in their right mind could possibly have seen DHB, Eli Rogers and MB since college, or hell, even just as pros, and think the talent level is remotely close...that's...impossible...
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That's quite a stretch, objectively...
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I said at my fantasy draft back in August after everyone looked at me cross-eyed for getting outbid on Andrew Luck for the first time since he's been in the league, "I have my doubts he's going to play this year...shoulder injuries are not atypically an 18-month venture...I'm not betting on him."
So this wouldn't surprise me...moreover, this is the smart money bet at this point...
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Reasonably, the best player available that even kind of fits of need...I'd lean towards drafting o-linemen in the first round of pretty much every draft...that's the lifeblood of a team...picks are not as useful to us without good scouting AND development teams...
A MLB/captain of the defense type would be nice too...
WRs might be the easiest position to find and cultivate and acquire after the fact out of all positions...I would probably never use a 1 on a WR almost ever...
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I mean, to be fair, sometimes you can walk with that injury...sometimes you cannot...
Hockey players, for instance, can play an entire playoff series with a torn ACL and MCL: https://www.si.com/nhl/2017/04/24/sharks-joe-thornton-injury-acl-mcl-knee-tear-playoffs
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Browns let Grigs man the phones in CLE or what?
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Which is the equivalent of saying: "Instead of taking a shot at a project WR (let's say Kenny Golloday, for instance), I'd rather draft Brad Smith because he'll probably be a good 6th WR and will play some special teams."