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There is no real convincing case to put Eli in the HOF other than the odd fetish NFL fans have with winning one game in the shortest playoffs in sports. It's bizarre that that carries so much weight (enough to make a top-10ish QB of all-time like Tom Brady get talked about like he's a #1, for instance...same with Joe Montana, who is probably a rung up on Brady, but probably not top 3).
There's 28 QBs in the HOF. Let's examine some of the "worst" and compare some things statistically to Eli...
Eli Manning
2x Super Bowl MVP
Never First- or Second-Team All-Pro
Top-8 finishes in passing yds: 4, 5, 5, 6, 6
Top-8 finishes in passing TDs: 2, 4, 4, 4, 6, 8
Top-8 finishes in comp%: N/A
Top-8 finishes in int%: 7
Top-8 finishes in QB Rating: 7
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Joe Namath
1x Super Bowl MVP
1x AFL Player of the Year
First-Team All-Pro: 1968
Top-6 finishes in passing yds: 1, 1, 1, 2, 2, 3, 6
Top-6 finishes in passing TDs: 1, 2, 2, 2, 4, 5, 5
Top-6 finishes in comp%: 2, 4, 4, 4, 5
Top-6 finishes in int%: 3, 4, 4, 6
Top-6 finishes in QB Rating: 3, 3, 4, 4, 6
Some asterisks here as Namath played his first five seasons in a split-professional setting.
Troy Aikman
1x Super Bowl MVP
Never First- or Second-Team All-Pro
Top-8 finishes in passing yds: 4, 8
Top-8 finishes in passing TDs: 3
Top-8 finishes in comp%: 1, 2, 2, 2, 2, 5, 8
Top-8 finishes in int%: 1, 2, 8
Top-8 finishes in QB Rating: 2, 3, 3, 5, 6, 8
Terry Bradshaw
2x Super Bowl MVP
1x NFL MVP (+ 1x Bert Bell Player of the Year)
First-Team All-Pro: 1978
Top-6 finishes in passing yds: 3, 5, 6
Top-6 finishes in passing TDs: 1, 1, 4, 5, 6
Top-6 finishes in comp%: N/A
Top-6 finishes in int%: 4, 6
Top-6 finishes in QB Rating: 2, 5, 6
The goal of the HOF isn't just try to fit people under a given low bar by rationalizing and compounding previous mistakes...which Aikman, for instance, likely was...or even Bradshaw. The idea is to put deserving players in the HOF and not water it down. I made a very simple statistical formula based on finishes as outlined above for every season in professional football history to date.
For those looking to vet it off-hand, the top-5 currently sits as: Sammy Baugh, Peyton Manning, Fran Tarkenton, Otto Graham, Johnny Unitas. Not bad.
All of the top 15 are in the HOF by my rudimentary metric except for Peyton, Brees, Brady, as they aren't eligible yet, obviously. The highest QB ranked that is not in the HOF is #16 - Ken Anderson. Which most people would agree is just about the best QB eligible for the Hall who is not in.
There are 28 QBs in the HOF. In my metric all of the 28 fall in the top-48 (which again, includes active players who will be in) - except one, Terry Bradshaw (71st). The rest of the bottom five of HOFers are John Elway (48), Jim Kelly (45), Bob Waterfield (43), Troy Aikman (42).
Eli Manning will almost certainly be adding zero points to his resume...he currently ranks: 108th. Harry Newman, Greg Landry and Matt Hasselbeck in the three spots ahead of him. Glenn Presnell, Matt Schaub and Bill Nelsen in the three spots behind him.
In other words, it would take an unbelievably disproportionate amount of weight to be placed on winning two games in non-consecutive seasons (as blessed as we are that those happened) to even remotely come close to even considering him a HOFer.
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You looked your franchise QB in the face, and I know he's not anything special right now - or maybe ever - but you looked him in the face and said, "Eli, this ship is sinking...I know you've played every game for us since like 1920, but we're gonna go with..."
and then instead of saying a remotely defensible position of [insert potential future starter here] like someone on the Garoppollo level, where you have 4, 5, 6 games to figure it out and see if you need to go into the draft and find someone or if there's some upside in what you've got...no, instead, they said an entirely indefensible position of "Geno Smith" - a never-was who should not be in the league and was a bust from the word "go". It's a horrific decision...I'm so glad that poetic justice was served so quickly and it took down the goon that agreed to it.
It's one thing to have a bad idea...everyone has bad ideas. It's entirely another sit around a table and have other people agree with starting Geno * Smith over Eli Manning...that's a joke.
If Ben McAdoo coached a KFC, he would bench chicken...
"uh yeah, we're gonna start...corn. People want corn, we're gonna invest our time developing corn...we won't even have to change the acronym of our franchise."
The dude is an absolute muppet and I'm glad he's gone just out of respect to Eli...
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Good. Thank God. Well deserved. What a clown bucket...
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Richardson, Ugoh, that fat slob Hakeem Nicks...
Gore...?!?! Take a walk...
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Wait, wait, wait...ESPN was talking about sports?!?! Nah...
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110-28 (or some such) in the 4th quarter is a bigger concern. It's funny, we used to be unprepared to start games and then when we were down 24-3 at the break, Andrew would just take over and will us back to a 38-34 loss. Now, we lead in every 3rd quarter and just get absolutely speedbagged in the 4th...
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If that's the case, that explains why he had that rat Julian Edelman secretly killed before the season started...I don't know how that guy eats with hands like that...
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Leave with? Where is he taking us? Are we going out? That's exciting...middle of the night, ya say? Snowstorm, is it...? Andrew...?
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He is not a good player imo.
Though, I don't wish him any specific harm...
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There are way too many question marks in the OP for the caliber of player that we are talking about...that is, sub-NFL/fringe NFL.
If we need another fringe NFL player on the roster, they cut Matt McGroin...I'm sure we can pull him in to watch Brisket hold onto to the ball for nine seconds every play...
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3 hours ago, Imped said:
That's a very standard abbreviation....
In America? In 2017?
Maybe in like construction/manufacturing or what not...not in real life though...
The thread title is bombastic and its abbreviation is below the standard that this board ought to have, I move to lock the thread and throw away the key. Thank you.
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I have never abbreviated 50 lbs as 50# in my life and was legitimately confused by the thread title...
You can't work out your upper body with a shoulder injury, I know from experience. But losing 50 pounds also assumes that he picked up Crohn's Disease from our poor offensive line play...
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Shoulder injuries are really, really tough to come back from in hockey and football...usually 18 months before you're anything again...
1. Yeah, sometimes you never regain your form depending on the damage. Shoulders are a lot more "involved" from an athletic standpoint than say something more binary like a knee ligament tear.
2. Why do we think that Andrew would know any better? Like he has to talk about it to set the record straight...he doesn't know. All he can do is rehab and try to get it right again...it's not like he has a crystal ball and can be like "oh sorry, dudes, looks like I am done...good luck with Darnold..."
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It's good to finally have a thread about coaching here...I have been bottling up my feelings, with no real outlet til now...
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3 hours ago, JaguarsWoman said:
That would not have helped Deshaun Watson or Teddy Bridgewater.
Was sardonic...
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CFL added an extra after they took away wearing pads in practice...ya know, to help account for the surge in injuries that that will lead to...
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39 minutes ago, crazycolt1 said:
I was just referring to the mindset of losing games on purpose for a better draft pick.
I 100% agree with this. I would never root for this team to lose ever.
That said, they have shown that they don't need my help in that department either...
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To be fair, no one could accuse a transaction of signing Hoyer to necessarily be against tanking...he is a poor quarterback...
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10 hours ago, mikey287 said:
Silly question. I will set the over/under at 2.5.
Over -250
Under +140
I'll bet under...
Malfunction voids all pays and plays.
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1 hour ago, Rackeen305 said:
What does following football have to do with looking at raw numbers? By the numbes Hoyer is better than every QB on the Colts ACTIVE roster. Which is why the PATS traded us Brissett, and signed a better QB. jmo
I actually spit out some of my drink chortling at this...very funny post! Thanks!
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Unluck: Tightening Up Because of Andrew
Drafting for Need Is Weak or: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Bjorn
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To do what?
Also, not to tell tales out of school, but according to some people that have been around him in the league, he is not exactly a "good teammate"...and not someone that's generally well-liked in the locker room...I don't know, I don't play in the NFL, this is not my opinion, I've never met the guy...but if there's even some truth to that, I wouldn't want him because as a third string QB, you aren't gonna play, but you are gonna be around...so your influence on the team is largely not-on-field production...
Anyway...glad he's not a Colt...we don't need him, he isn't good at football and, as a bonus, he might be the D word...
EDIT: As an aside, I found it kind of funny that the OP posted his numbers against the Colts. The one team that he absolutely could not play against after signing here.
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The equation of seeing talent (well, period) in the present and seeing upside/potential is also a disconnect here.
Does Eli make it into the HoF?
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- Sure. If anyone considers a one-game MVP an actual thing. Not playoff MVP, but a single game MVP. Ridiculous beyond repair, but sure.
- lol
- having one stretch of 3 or 4 games in a 15 year career doesn't move the needle much. That's more trivia than career definition.
- again, don't confuse trivia with actual HOF stuff. Similarly, no credit would be given for best record in Monday Night Football games. This is just trivia.
- ok, he didn't get hurt a lot. Got it. We're talking HOF, all these guys have played a lot. Plus, it's a DOB-biased stat.
- trivia
- trivia
- trivia, most of which stemming from a single playoff run.
Respectfully, there is a serious, serious misunderstanding here between trivia and Snapple cap anecdotes versus actual career accomplishment on a macro level. Moreover, you quoted a post of really nothing but numbers (mine) and then produced no real numbers yourself or context of such and stated "those are HOF numbers"...it is a deeply confusing post in what should be good historical discussion...