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11 hours ago, CamMo said:
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Jay still has a copy of the original Spygate tape to this day!
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9 hours ago, Gramz said:
The Patriots have now suspended the videographer.
You know...the one who was just doing the job they asked him to do.
Latest fall guy.
So transparent.
I'm Glad Jay Glazer actually got some of the footage before NFL security took it to Goodell.
Here's Jay with the Fox football team discussing it pre-game-
Jay is right. Where (and how to find out) was it going; to who? That is the thing now.
Can the Pats afford to lose another $250k and a 1st round draft pick (or more) and BB another $500,000 if they can tie him in? Why would they even attempt it? SMH.
Yes, as I've mentioned, an Advance Scout does go and take notes on a team. Sub packages, time to sub, signals given, personnel groupings, etc.. but they (team or reps) cant video it real time. However, they can later get All 22 video and then correlate it. I think all teams do that.
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On 12/13/2019 at 6:38 PM, runthepost said:
Won’t matter man or zone Michael Thomas will feast on whoever we throw at him
Unfortunately, the last 3 weeks the Colts have had the worst pass defense in the league (like 307 yards per game surrendered). Not a good sign with Brees/Thomas and company being next up.
On 12/14/2019 at 5:25 PM, Kangaroo said:I want us to win every game, but reality says that even if we make the playoffs, we won't make it very far. This season is lost--let's move on to the future
I'd rather take our chances with our current team in an outdoor blustery stadium (run the ball, stop the run) in the playoffs rather than being in a passing game shootout.
Which reminds me, I'm not confidant the way CB/Reich has built the offense fits L.O.S.
That along with ( sorry locals, you're not K.C. or Seattle's 12 ) the lack of noise means there really is no 'home field advantage' to speak of.
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16 minutes ago, shakedownstreet said:
The game's on TV here in Indy. I am sure not so much in FLA
Nope, unlike last week (49er's - Saints, so I couldn't see the Colts), the Bucs are on Fox and Dolphins are on CBS right now.
ZZZzzzzzzz.......
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3 minutes ago, 21isSuperman said:
Wow, this doesn't look good at all....
This is much worse than what I thought it would be. The Pats staffers sound like they've been caught and are trying to cover up what they know they shouldn't be doing. Doesn't seem as innocent as what was being reported earlier
Yes, caught breaking rules. No question. Why do teams (notably a certain one) do this? If I was of a cheating mind, I'd pay a fan to wear the opposing teams fan gear, buy them a primo seat at the game, equip them with a top notch Go Pro or Hi Tech smartphone with tons of memory, let them have at it (video).
Who would be able to tell?
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Sad to hear an AFC South game lat in the season with so much importance; and the Colts aren't participants in it.
I've got it on SiriusXM radio now. Early 2nd quarter, Titans just had 1st and goal @ the Texans 4 , and Texans with a 85+ yard interception return! Texans score TD a few plays later to take 7 - 0 lead.
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5 hours ago, Coffeedrinker said:
I think the COlts reain his rights whether he gave the money back or not. But @Superman knows more about that than I do.
I think if Luck retired in the off season, Colts would definitely have been able to go after some guaranteed money and retain right (Megatron / Lions retirement?)
Before the last CBA, an arbitrator ordered Barry Sanders to repay portions on his $11 million signing bonus. but only @ 1.83 million payments on each season reporting day he doesn't 'unretire'. Not a lump sum. I'm not sure what alterations, if any were made to the last CBA on this.
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3 hours ago, Coffeedrinker said:
I think the COlts reain his rights whether he gave the money back or not. But @Superman knows more about that than I do.
They do, for certain now as his contract will toll.
However, a I remeber a member here (almost certain it was @csmopar) that had a post that showed an appendix notation in NFL rules that if a player attends training camp (and anything beyond) but then retires before game 1, he can un-retire before that upcoming seasons trade deadline and then hit the waiver wire... IF ... the team the player retired from sought and received back any guaranteed money (which was already given to the player at contract signing) due to them and thus losing player retention rights. Colts/Irsay did not do this.
If player unretired after trade deadline but before week 13, he could only return to the team that owned his rights. Luck did not do this.
After week 13, he could no longer unretire that season. This has transpired.
Maybe @Superman has more info.
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Addendum: I was never caught up in the Kevin Durant/Luck comparison frenzy either. But knew there something (else) 'there', there.
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26 minutes ago, aaron11 said:
what he actually said was he was "targeting" a week one return. i think that was the last we heard from him before he retired
Correct, that's all he ever said/implied. He was 'optimistic', yes he said that (but me being a (now retired) medical person and remembering his history discarded that), said it was a goal (I'm sure it was, but one that was slipping with each passing week in preseason), etc.
Now I, again always looking to the medical side, discount player, coach, GM, and owner remarks. I look at facts as I know them. What I knew-
Luck was suffering a 'calf' issue... that lingered ... up to 4 months and counting (too long, hmmmm)
It was reported there was then an ankle issue too...
Then Irsay says a little bone was involved... (Os Trigonum)
Then Ballard says Luck had pain when moving side to side in drills before Browns preseason game (OK, there is a GM medical statement I just might give credence to).
Luck had practiced only 3 times, all 3 only with Limited Participation, all training camp and preseason. I knew that 'optimistic goal' was not happening. Then articles began to appear Luck might not be week 1 starter, and many fans here came to realization he wouldn't be under center at least for game 1 (to me probably longer).
Then Luck's retirement was 'leaked' not too long after to spoil his chance to address Indy fans and the NFL in general.
That's is how I remember it, and I stand by it.
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10 hours ago, GusFring said:
He also said he'd be ready for week 1 many times.
OK, I need you to show a link with a quote, please. Just one, not even many.
{Not one with qualifiers like saying 'that is the goal', or I'm optimistic that', and the like etc... }
A link that shows/proves where he said (not what reporters/fans inferred) he "would" be ready for week 1...
I don't think he ever did.
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On 12/9/2019 at 9:15 PM, The Brazilian Ninja said:
And, just for the record, if I were a NFL team I'd never, NEVER, let a patriots cameraman enter my stadium...that is just too ingenuous...
I feel the same.
On 12/9/2019 at 11:02 PM, WoolMagnet said:The video guys were “doing their job”.
Anyone else assumed they were still doing WHATEVER it takes.
Anyone surprised by this?
Bill explains-
“I heard about this, and evidently this is our production people on the TV show that were there,” Belichick said, via Pats Pulpit. “I have absolutely nothing to do — we have absolutely nothing to do with anything that they produce, direct, shoot or anything. I’ve never even seen any of their tapes or anything else. So this is something that we 100 percent have zero involvement with. This is something that you would have to talk to the production people about and what they were doing and whatever it was.”
A team really doesn't need a special production video team to record the upcoming opponents sidelines/coaches. Think about it, someone placed in the stands with an advanced smartphone with tons of memory can take HQ video from the stands wearing normal non team oriented clothing. They can later synch it up to scouts notes (who was calling plays, how their arm, hands were vs. what was run, down/distance, etc) to see if some gestures tip certain plays... etc. They also have access after a game to All 22 coaches film, to synch the hand written notes up to.
On 12/9/2019 at 11:02 PM, WoolMagnet said:I guess the only positive is that it is extremely embarrassing to get caught filming the BENGALS. Come on man ! Really Bill? Seriously? Seriously! Seriuosly?
Advance scouts scout every team. They also get the 'scout team' prepped to emulate the upcoming opponents formations/p\lays.
On 12/10/2019 at 12:05 PM, OffensivelyPC said:"8 minutes of hand signals and substitutions."
If that's true, they deserve the college football equivalent of the death penalty. Everything they've accomplished should be vacated. Like seriously. Just unreal and a complete disregard for the integrity of the sport, even after being heavily penalized for disregarding the integrity of the sport.
They already don't deserve the benefit of the doubt. I definitely don't think anyone outside of Foxboro would ever take their accomplishments seriously. I mean how could you take it seriously? What a sham...
That's a fine. Big one. They should just hire a college kid with an huge smartphone to film for them... ooops! ;)
Every team has advance scouts doing extensive note taking on upcoming opponents, and All 22 video to correlate. OTOH, rules were broken...
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1 hour ago, Myles said:
I think retired and quit are the same when you are not near the retirement age of your profession. I'm 49. If I walked out today, people would say I quit. If I was 65+ and retired today, people would say I retired.
I think Luck quit. He had his reason, so good for him. He'll never be wanting for $$ again in his life.
I was under 60, however I still qualified for a full value (non-reduced) pension (they don't do those anymore in the corporate world these days) but well before SS supplement can be applied for.
Like Luck, I 'could' have soldiered on, but medical issues made it to difficult to perform, especially at the levels I and my repeat customers expectations were set at. I 'retired' before typical public retirement age, as Luck did for a typical Pro Bowl player tenure.
Here's interesting article (excerpt, link below)-
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The average NFL career for a quarterback is three years.
The average NFL career for an offensive lineman is about three-and-a-half years.
The average NFL career for a wide receiver is a little more than two years.
Keep in mind that these statistics include all NFL players, some of whom may never start a game and some of whom play for longer than a decade. For instance, the average NFL career for a Pro-Bowl nominated player is 12 years.
Why NFL Players Retire -
Only about 10 years ago, the average professional football career lasted about six years. So why the earlier retirement?
Whether they opt to stop playing or are forced into early retirement, there are many reasons why NFL players exit the sport:
Concussions and other neurological injuries.
Tendon and ligament injuries, especially in the knee and ankle,
Other health concerns.
Ability and skill.
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https://work.chron.com/long-average-career-nfl-player-12643.html
Semantics. I sometimes see folks resort to 'quitter' when they feel they're left holding the bag and thus have an axe to grind. Quit/Retire... results are the same.
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On 12/11/2019 at 4:38 PM, csmopar said:
When was it leaked that he was retiring? Mid game right? So therefore, it was a mid game retirement. Period. Who announced it is irrelevant
Technically, he quit the Thursday before the Saturday game when he and T.Y. discussed it heart to heart-
**T.Y. Hilton, Luck’s draft classmate, heard the news from Luck on Thursday. When he heard from teammates that the news was spreading on Saturday during their preseason game, he looked into the stands for confirmation—“a lot of fans were on their phones.”
QuoteAnd I will forever say he quit on this team, no matter how justifiable his rationale may be or what his prior contributions were.
Everyone has there feelings. Mine is 'quitting' happens when one starts being part of a program and are getting paid (salary) for it, then stopping and still collecting salary.
On 12/11/2019 at 8:18 PM, Moe said:Regardless Luck quit the team, and will always be remembered that way!
To some.... well ok. Not here.
On 12/11/2019 at 9:31 PM, csmopar said:Oh when I think of the whole situation, I blame all of them to be honest. But none of that changes a thing. He quit. However noble and justified the reasons, he quit. You can try and sugarcoat it anyway you wish. Call it a retirement call it a medical retirement, it’s still quitting
I retired last Jan 1. Management knew it months before it was a possibility, co-workers didn't know until a couple days before. Nobody thinks "I quit".
On 12/11/2019 at 10:27 PM, csmopar said:Yep. I live here too. You see, Indiana, we a little bit screwy when it comes to things like this. We generally don’t take kindly to being led on & or bait and switched. For example, the Paul George thing a couple years ago, the John Elway thing a couple decades ago and even the McDaniels thing last year.
OK, I guess Hoosier Hospitality also can come with a side of sour Ganny Smith green apples, I see.
QuoteIf Luck had announced his retirement WITHOUT going thru warmups and throwing the balls in front of fans just half an hr before, then I think it’d gone over a lot smoother than it did.
He wasn't dressed for the game, right? Didn't participate in OTA's or (after day 4) training camp? Maybe made a couple 'walk throughs' in pre season? Never a word he was healed of his 'calf' injury? Interesting stat: Jacoby Brissett took 1200 reps with the first team this offseason with Luck on the shelf, which is a full season’s worth (Luck took 1120 snaps in games last season).
QuoteHe, whether intentional or not, toyed with the fans in that regard. If he hadn’t gone and done that,
Done what? Worst I can find is he, mentioned he was optimistic to be ready by September 8...
Quoteand assuming the leak still happens the way it did, I know I’d at least given him more of a forgiving tone. I’d still been disappointed but I wouldn’t feel toyed with. Granted my feelings and opinions are irrelevant in the grand scheme, I just know I’m not the only one that feels this way.
Will i I eventually stop talking bout it, yeah. Eventually
OK. I was still worried Luck had not practiced in earnest and feared his medical condition. But even I didn't foresee him deciding to retire. Just wondered how long it would be before he was (100%) ready, as Reich promised it would take before he was put back in there.
On 12/12/2019 at 7:48 AM, csmopar said:meh. that is just plain dumb.
Look, I do not hate Luck. What he did was well within his own rights. I wish him and his young family the best, truly.But...
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However, I will criticize his actions just as I would any other player that would do it in the same manner. Again, I REPEAT, the retirement doesn't honestly bother meI remain unconvinced though...
Quoteand I can understand why he chose that route. However, as I have stated 5 million times now (exaggeration), it is Luck's OWN actions leading up to the leak that I find fault with.
Specifically, with verifiable links, what?
Not sharing his mental and physical pain and anguish, as he decides whether to keep rehabbing or leave the sport that caused the issues?
Or is it the fans felt he was sandbagging and would be in MVP form on September 8?
QuoteIf Luck had truly made the decision the week before, day before whatever, he had no business talking about how good he felt to the media prior
If he wasn't, he isn't beholden to disclose that to you or the media. No player is.
I only remember things like this "he’s optimistic he’ll be ready for the Sept. 8 regular-season opener" and such. I'm retired from medical field (40 years in it). That statement means NOTHING to me. I'm optimistic I can get my 3 day honey do list done in 1. Means about the same. Fans here listen to non medical people like Reich/Ballard/Irsay on medical info when none are medical experts. I remember Irsay talking to Bill Polian on SiriusXM radio about it-
Irsay- "It's a bone -- I'm not good at these things, but it's called mo-something else -- but it's a small little bone," - Which is really Os Trigonum. This right after the calf/Achilles/ Kevin Durant media swarm. So in two weeks A.L. will be healed? Hmmmm... I wasn't warm and fuzzy.I'm not even sure I was in my typical 'cautiously optimistic' state either.
Quoteand he sure in the heck should not have been going thru warmups and throwing the ball,
Was he dressed in full pads along with the other 89 players? Just curious.
I can watch the full game on NFL game pass. Might do it to see Chad Kelly start, and JB/Luck interaction.Quoteincluding deep balls in front of fans in the pre-game.
How well was he cutting and running on that bad leg? His arm was healed. We all knew that. It was his leg (Calf/Achilles and that little bone) we kept hearing about that was the issue.
QuoteThat is the equivalent of rubbing someone's face in the dirt after you tripped them.
No, I think staying on up to September 8 on the 53 man roster, dressing for the game, then retiring would be that, (to me). Not telling AC and T.Y.(and maybe other close guys) a couple days before the game where after he was going to announce his retirement the next Sunday following the Colts/Bears game on Saturday; only to have a Colts insider leak it to Schefter in the 4th quarter of the game (so, not mid game, technically).
Now, before some go off on he didn't get his salary, but got his 25 million guaranteed money, think of at least these two things.
He rehabbed all OTA's and training camp. Those who have been though it know it is work.
Next, because he retired after the start of camp, another member (@csmopar I think it was you!) here reported-
"The rules appendix says that if the team chooses to go after any money paid to the player who retires AFTER June 1 of the league year, that the team waives their retaining rights and said player, upon wanting reinstatement, would have to go thru waivers prior to the Trade deadline and that AFTER the deadline and until week 13, they would NOT have to go thru waivers and the team they retired from would retain their rights. After week 13, the player cannot be reinstated for that season and would have to wait until after the new league year starts. "
Colts did not go after Lucks paid guaranteed money, and now Andrews contract tolls... with Colts retaining the rights.
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7 hours ago, BloodyChamp said:
You’re arguing with my own eyes and posting pictures of what my eyes saw for them to see again. That’s not 2 yards and it’s right there. And they didn’t throw the flag until he grabbed his head and they weren’t going to until he grabbed his head for the reason that they always don’t throw them in those cases.
See, this is what is called 'subjective bias'. I saw the same play/game real time, because I live in SW FL which often get the Bucs on one channel, and Dolphins on the other but they pre-empted Bucs/Colts for Saints/49er's here for some reason. (Shame CBS!!)
I Was like 'oh, wow, sorry dude. First you had a P.I. call on you a few plays ago to extend the drive, now a personal foul on a defenseless receiver' to extend it once more.'
You thought opposite. I don't know, maybe you even thought the P.I. was ticky tack (I did not).
You said- "And they didn’t throw the flag until he grabbed his head and they weren’t going to until he grabbed his head for the reason that they always don’t throw them in those cases."
I don't feel that is the case. Nevertheless, I would be coaching every receiver that gets hit in the head or neck before he can take steps or hit the ground to grab your head when you're on the ground, as soon as you hear the whistle. Every time. There's a reason the NFL put the defenseless player stipulations in the rule book. That play met them, including the foul that was committed.
https://operations.nfl.com/the-rules/nfl-video-rulebook/defenseless-player/
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1 hour ago, EastStreet said:
Nope, the one they replayed was JB's view. And yes, very unfortunate timing. A shot in stride would have had at least 5-10 more in YAC if not FG range.
A first down at minimum... move those chains / new set of downs.
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On 12/9/2019 at 3:12 PM, BloodyChamp said:
Trying to hard as always. That was blanketed. A snap shot of the farthest point during a game which was going 100mph doesn’t prove otherwise. That point was still less than a yard anyway.
Yeah, right...
over 2 yards away, still on both feet!
QuoteAs for what you apparently expect from the DB, as inappropriate as the comparison may be, it reminds me of the Joe Friday lecture to the kids who didn’t approve of what the policemen did in a split second decision in a situation happening as fast as that game lol!
And around 1 yard, the defender then drops to both knees (so fast!) to get even lower-
Still isn't 'low enough' so lowers his helmet/shoulders-
This will get called every time. The NFL wants THIS out of the game. Get used to it.
There will be no league apology letter to the Saints on this.
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Points.... many, very many, from at least one side... and maybe both.
(Nowwatch a 2 hour and 49 minute, 9 to 6 game emerge...)
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2 hours ago, Mr.Debonair said:
Until he announces I‘ll have my doubt. Especially with 600 sitting out thereAgreed.
2 hours ago, Dingus McGirt said:Likely sign a one-game contract with New England and kick that one extra point. Then, really retire.
That was my thought. BB is tired of his bad kickers. Would he reward a rebuilt AV with a chance?
1 hour ago, Mr.Debonair said:Ooops, didn't see that one coming
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16 hours ago, BloodyChamp said:
Not even going to try and spell that last name lol!
That was a unique turn of events where a bunch of things happened, and everybody did everything right at every instance. They’ll still let things slide in the most bang bang situations and they did there, and understandably so. It doesn’t get any more bang bang than that play. It was the biggest moment to that point late in the possibility biggest game of the year. They’d been hitting all game and there they were on a busted play at that point in the game and the guy throws a dart to a blanketed receiver.
Blanketed? Here he already caught the ball and was falling down.
16 hours ago, BloodyChamp said:How is the DB supposed to not hit the guy? Or somewhere in the 1.865 seconds think ok I’ll hit him but I’ll be sure and not hit his head?
Instinct made him go low, but in the NFL, that receiver is still in a 'defenseless posture', thus no contact to head or neck area.
Prohibited-
"... forcibly hitting the defenseless player’s head or neck area with the helmet, face mask, forearm, or shoulder, even if the initial contact is lower than the player’s neck, and regardless of whether the defensive player also uses his arms to tackle the defenseless player by encircling or grasping him"
It's a tough situation but the only avoidance is to not go low and touch the failing player down with hands and fall on him with full body. He went low and got his helmet and a shoulder into the receivers helmet. Both no-no's. And yes, the side judge saw it (see below), players reaction wasn't the reason.
16 hours ago, BloodyChamp said:The refs knew that and correctly didn’t throw the flag.
The side judge was blowing the whistle and repositioning to see if there was possession because defender then blocked his view. Then as he got a better view, threw a flag at same time as the back judge was throwing his in; and yes the player was clutching his helmet by then. A receiver getting hit in the helmet is going to get a defenseless player penalty call these days unless he has made the transition . I do Feel bad for the kid (it was his second mess on 3rd downs that drive), but the (safety) rules are there and they're not going away.
Not throwing a flag there would definitely NOT be correctly.
16 hours ago, BloodyChamp said:Then he grabbed his head. Then flags flew. Seems unfair but considering what the refs are told to do now above all else, and the consistency that’s expected of them and what the league is trying to do with head injuries they had to throw the flag. Had to. Period. So that’s what they did when he grabbed his head even though they weren’t going to throw the flag until then.
No, they were. They are told to error on the side of safety. They sometimes throw one when it really wasn't a foul. The NFL sends out apology letters after the fact. But they still tell officials if it looked like a foul, call it. The NFL would rather over call head and neck hits on defenseless players than not.
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16 hours ago, Gramz said:
Did I hear the announcers correctly that KCs equipment showed up 2 hrs. before kickoff?
Some, not all, but 35 players shoulder pads, helmets, and footballs were not taken off the charter plane before it left Boston to Newark, NJ.
2 hours ago, teganslaw said:Kansas City would have had to forfeit the game if their equipment didn't arrive in time. I can imagine the outburst that would have caused.
Yes, forfeit. A game at Gilette the night before delayed Chiefs athletic gear team from realizing it sooner.
2 hours ago, OffensivelyPC said:2007 Spygate
2015 Deflategate
2019 Baggagegate
Yes, evidently an employee 'forgot' to get them off. He's potentially been identified here-
Some responses are hilarious.
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On 12/7/2019 at 2:34 PM, richard pallo said:
I think that was on cut down day and all of the teams were set at QB. They were happy with their guys. And yet Ballard signed him to a very lucrative practice squad contract to help keep him away from other teams. Very smart I would say and an indication of what Ballard thinks of his potential.
I think the Broncos had him on their roster a regular salary rookie contract , it might have affected how the Colts had to pay him too. (Broncos and Colts pay, cap, dead cap, etc...)
21 hours ago, Jdubu said:Pretty sure the Colts won’t put Chad Kelly on the active roster in fear of JB going down and being forced to display that Kelly shows better potential than what we’ve seen from JB.
Because coaches don''t want to use the players they think has the best chance of winning, thus securing their jobs. Got it.
QuoteThere is simply no reason to have Kelly on the team if you have zero intentions of using him.
Coaches see him against their players everyday. There is a thing called 'development'. And it doesn't require starting NFL games right away.
QuoteYou could literally use Hoyer as the mentor, film room study guy and all those reasons you’ve listed for having him, not dress him and use Kelly as a back up and still have Hoyer mentor the kids as a non dressed QB making millions of wasted dollars.
Since it's Indy, I'll give a race analogy to the NFL saying-
You cannot win the race in the first corner, but you can most certainly lose it.
It's hard for inexperienced QB's to win an NFL game, but very easy for them to lose it.
Those guys practice, study, and play hard. They want to win. While playoffs were still a possibility, the coaches and team (via reports) were in on JB leading them. Not sure how it goes from here, though.
I wonder how CK does in the off season (maturity), and passing that test, competes in training camp 2020 (performance).
QuoteIt’s almost like CB is forcing his decisions to be correct because he is sticking with the same garbage plan. He is losing some credibility from the fan base on how he and Reich are running this show. It’s at a level not far from the Grigson/Pagano led duo. It’s maddening.
GM's make decisions on what personnel to acquire/keep/cut. Coaches decide who is active, who plays, and at what position(s). And yes, they communicate with each other to try to work in unison rather than against each other as much as possible.
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9 hours ago, EastStreet said:
this is a generous snapshot/view. The view of his front was much more telling in terms of how late and off the throw was. They showed it on replay during the broadcast. The announcers first said "JB put it on him", and then backed off that quickly when they showed the replay. he definitely slowed and had to turn/swivel back. there's no stopping a train in it's tracks. if that throw in front, it's a first down with YAC.
This one?
JB threw this as Doyle was making his break-
JB just threw it behind him, just enough to miss. I've replayed this many times real time and slo-mo. There was barely enough time to see the ball and react after the break. No time to 'slow down'. It was a misplaced pass. Unfortunate at that point of the game.
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Did TY just take a shot at Ebron?
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Didn't play, didn't get pay. (no weekly game checks paid in 2019)