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8 hours ago, coltsfeva said:
Webster's definition of sportsmanship: fair play, respect for opponents, and gracious behavior in winning or losing.
Some would argue that in the NFL, it's "tough nuggies" when someone celebrates excessively. If they don't want to see that, then stop them.
But where is the line that separates appropriate and inappropriate celebrations? The NFL, by rule has outlawed taunting, using props and group celebrations (remember the Colts kickoffs that were outlawed)? So, those aspects pretty well defined.
Personally, because football is a team sport, I don't like any celebration that tries to isolate an individual as being the sole reason for a play, including:
fist pounding to the chest
running away from a sack to point to oneself
T.Y.
Superman
Discount double-check
etc, etc, etc.
You made the play because someone blocked or occupied an opposing player. A celebration is merely an expression of praise. So, is a player praising themselves? If so, to me that is kind of short-sided. As far as TD celebrations: I don't think there is anything wrong with a the Lambeau Leap or Carolina giving footballs to children.
I think Walter Payton put it best: "When you get in the end zone, act like you've been there before." Well said Walter.
I'm with you here, coltsfeva.100%. "Sweetness" was right! Act like you've been there before. I'm too old-schooled, I guess. Celebrate all you want to. AFTER the game. Quit acting like kindergarteners on the field of play & respect the team you're playing against. Personally, I can do without all the hoop-lah that goes on after good plays or TDs. Too much of it, IMO.
You want to play a kid's game like MEN? Start acting like it.
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1 hour ago, SteelDragon said:
Seeing Peyton in the AFCCG made me realize how much I miss the old guard. I miss the 12-4 seasons and the realistic shot of being a Superbowl contender for almost 10 straight years. I miss the most beautiful mind in football, the chess matches, and Peyton on the sideline studying photos of the defense. I miss Peyton catching the defenses with too many players on the field, the chemistry he built with Wayne, Harrison, Stokely, Garcon, Collie, Clark.... the New England rivalry.... I'm missing it all. I miss Tony Dungy. I miss the brilliance of Bill Polian. I feel like a guy who has left his wife for a younger model and realized he had it all and lost it. Just raising a toast today to an era that captured the imagination of our city. Cheers
Nice post, SD! Miss all of it. But, seeing the changes of the new guard with our coaching staff has lit a fire under this man's backside. With the new hires & potential that most of these guys possess, especially Monachino, Krein, and Philbin, it certainly looks like to this Old-Colt-Codger the organization is quite serious this go around. And, it wouldn't surprise me a bit if the Colts take off rather quickly. Our draft is going to be critical this year. Let's see what rolls in. I haven't been more excited about the sweeping changes that have already taken place in a long, long while.
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On January 26, 2016 at 9:34 PM, SkyBane said:
The thought occurs to me that a lot of the knock on Manusky was his overcomplication with his defensive schemes, which didn't allow players to just make plays. A lot of the knock on Werner has been his inability to make plays because he seems like he is thinking about what to do too much.
The new DC is a LB specialist, and we presume will run a simpler scheme.
I'm not saying he's suddenly going to be a world beater, but this seems like a last chance for Bjoern to come in to his own.
"The new DC is a LB specialist, and we presume will run a simpler scheme."
Hit the nail on the head, SB. The hiring of Monachino should produce very good results along with our new Strength & Conditioning Coach, Krein. These two combined coaches have what it takes to formulate a very good-great defense. Can't tell you how excited I was when I learned about each of these guys signing on with Indianapolis.
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2 hours ago, bayone said:
I do not know why when i quote it adds the same quotes I did before to current ones , looks like I am repeating myself to same person
I am disabled, not crazy
Re But you don't see dungy bashing on his colts.
Tell ya, Marshall Faulk always sticks up for Peyton and only played a year with him, he keeps yelling at Deon & Michael Irving whenever they express negatives
I wish he had half this defense as a colt
& hate to say it Carolina who didnt have Jared allen Vs Arizona will have him back & Carolina in first half all year only gave up 6.5 points or so, and scored so much that they played allot of prevent defense in end half giving up points and not caring with huge leads unless they gave up to much 2nd half points then tightened again
the D is much better than whats noted on paper and thats still top ten, they have pro bowlers ON the OL and if u get by them unlike Brady Cam wont be just standing their, they are very well balanced on both sides of the ball and thats what makes them dangerous
Elway I bet wishes he did that trade for Joe thomas now, what a better O line it would be and get Harris back to RT, Manning would have a pocket he could step into & throw and the Run game could be more consistent,
& Peyton could sure use a true polished slot receiver & DT has to catch and stop thinking about the $ in the bank
Kubiack & Phillips will have to make perfect game plans
bayone, you did just fine quoting all of us in this post. It can be frustrating with the new system. I think we're all still adjusting to this.
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13 hours ago, SkyBane said:
Actually, to the bolded, a large part of the coverage problems came from the inability to generate a pass rush, not the other way around. Toler wasn't good, but the main reason he got toasted so much was the amount of time QB's had to throw against our secondary.
Make no mistake, the leaky pass defense is a pass rush issue above all else, trying to upgrade the secondary to make the pass rush look better than it is would be putting a band aid on a bullet wound.
Again, by most metrics, the O line actually averaged out right at the NFL average for last year, which isn't great but it's serviceable and can be corrected with minor upgrades. The "We must o line above all else" brigade is being largely short sighted. It's linebackers or bust imo.
I agree 100% with your last sentence. Great LBs are the starting point for great defenses. It's just that way. OLB & ILB play set the tone for any defense whether that's bad, good, very good or great. I'm a defensive nutcase. That aspect of football was instilled in me when I played ILB in grade school & high school. Never played college ball. Wasn't talented enough.
Spilling over into the NFL as an avid fan, I continued to be educated about Pro-ball on a wide venue.
I know I've touted the line that "defense wins Championships" ad nauseam. But, it's still as true today as it ever was IMO. The Colts have never enjoyed the thrill of having a Top 5 defense on a continual basis. I hope this changes. If the ship is righted toward this arrow, it could be the spark that Indianapolis should be a very dangerous team for over a decade during the Luck era.
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10 hours ago, SkyBane said:
^Implying Bill Polian didn't build success at 3 seperate franchises in Buffalo, Carolina, and Indianapolis.
To the rest, you don't need 2 great pass rushers to have average success on defense, but you do at least need pass rushers good enough to create competence. The Colts utterly lack that right now.
The times, they are a changing. "Utterly lack" will go to "Bring it Jack!"" Thankfully, the Colts have taken that first step in a wide sweeping coaching change.
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2 hours ago, NorthernBlue said:
If you don't mind me, I'm gonna go rewatch super bowl XLI
just cause
I've got my DVD of this game paused at the Kelvin Hayden INT for a TD. Cheers me up no matter what gets me down football wise. It's always ready to roll.
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44 minutes ago, buccolts said:
One problem is that this is just the perception, and not reality.
It may be more true in the NBA than it ever will be in any other sport, because there's fewer on a team, and on the floor.
The NBA started this whole 'sell the players' thing, and I'm not fond of it. Not that I have to be, but we end up having discussions about how "I hope Manning pummels Brady" kind of stuff. Manning won this, Cam lost that............ What?
It does seem that way on many occasions, doesn't buccolts? Heck, I'm guilty of it to a degree sometimes. The team concept certainly gets lost amongst the chatter of SuperStars very often in just about every sport. I think that's humanity always looking for glorified figures on or off the fields of play and spilling over into other multiple variances of life.
So, it's extremely refreshing to see players who are pinnacles of their respective sport to turn away from it and credit their entire team(s).
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On January 24, 2016 at 11:44 PM, Coltsman1788 said:
Positivity rings hollow when the team continues to have the same exact weaknesses season after season despite what they do. Every offseason fans say these things will get better but it doesn't. Colts haven't had a hard nosed defensive team since they left Baltimore. 1995, 2005, were probably the best defenses they've fielded in the Indy era. In 32 years...You can count on one hand the number of good Indy defenses. I doubt the ex Ravens linebackers coach, first time defensive coordinator will buck the trend here.
While I agree with the premise, it could be noted that "good" should be referred to as "great". To me, that's a Top 5 on a consistent basis of more than 1 year. As far as Monachino goes, ex-Raven or not, he has the credentials & wherewithal to make a defense great.
Give the guy a chance. I think a lot of people are in for a shock. Maybe not the first year, but a very good to great LB Coach has the catalyst of starting a formidable DC. OLB & ILB game changers are the absolute battery of creating great defenses. History has shown that unequivocally.
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22 hours ago, King Colt said:
Offenses sell tickets, defenses win games. Broncos will win primarily because the Panthers will spend four quarters celebrating and dancing.
Hope that's the case. But, very unlikely about the celebrations. Also agree with you about defense. No doubt this game will be won on the lines. Carolina has a very formidable defense as do the Broncos. A defensive struggle favors Denver. Experience at QB becomes much more critical during these types of games. Peyton has that, Newton does not. At least, not yet.
Denver wins this IF they can protect Manning & disrupt Newton consistently. If not, it goes to the Panthers.
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I can see it now. "Will Work for Super Bowl Win!" Here come ALL the pundits.
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57 minutes ago, DougDew said:
Obviously the GM sucks. Brady got hit more than any other QB in the AFCCG. NE failed to invest enough draft picks and FA money into protecting their franchise....starting 3 rookies...none of whom were drafted in the first round. There is no other way to see it. The GM and HC should be fired.
Obviously the assistant coach is being scapegoated.
Ah, the irony of sarcasm dripping into our pretentious heads.
Nice post, DD!
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14 minutes ago, Superman said:
We probably don't disagree that much. I think the bolded applies to most head coaches.
Compare him to Pagano, for instance, and I think Pagano gives a general directive to the offensive staff, then leaves the room. I think Belichick probably goes more in depth and explains how he wants to get to where he wants to go, and he could even get in on the gameplanning if he has a younger, newer OC. But then he lets the offensive staff do the job.
I think he's capable of a lot more than most other head coaches, when necessary. But I think his position coaches are just as important as they are anywhere else.
JMO
I agree. I think Belichick is a HC that takes exception to excuses. I believe he lies out his objectives with every assistant, of course, then follows a pattern of undaunting perfection as it were. He's probably the only HC that creates an atmosphere of "win at all costs" right at the edge of the envelope. Sometimes, that gets pushed over the edge with all the gated stuff.
Just seems he has his hand & mind into everyone in New England and they're all on the same page. Once that's accomplished, it's wavy-gravy from then on with his set objectives.
I've said this before in other threads. He has a "Thundering Velvet Hand!" That's hard to consistently use year in and year out with this game. There have been others such as Bill Walsh, Tom Landry, Don Shula, et.al.
However, Belichick has been the best with that tag line.
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6 minutes ago, Superman said:
I disagree. I think Belichick is tops, but his staff is just as important to him as the staff for any other head coach.
Also, Belichick has never specifically coached OL. Not that he wouldn't be qualified; if he wanted to be the Colts OL coach, I'd have no problem with his qualifications (his methods, on the other hand...) But I doubt that he would not allow his assistants to do their jobs.
Oh, I'm sure he allows his assistants to do their job. No doubt. Right after he explains to them what he wants.
Hey, can't agree on everything. I see it differently.
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I could live with that! Tall order. But, Peyton has been taking on tall orders his whole career. He now has that very, very formidable defense to back him up. Forge on, Peyton. You're the greatest to me, win or lose!
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11 hours ago, Superman said:
It is what it is. I think they want someone who can coach up interior linemen, and weren't satisfied with the guy they had.
I don't have any problem with a coach retooling his staff as he sees fit. We obviously have no idea what the dynamic is, or what the actual expectations are, so I hesitate to say that anyone is being scapegoated. I think Belichick wants a better OL coach, and that makes sense to me.
I already have summized that Belichick IS the OL Coach. For years. Just think he needs someone to coach-up his techniques after finding the talent to perform. BB knows OLs.
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11 hours ago, BloodyChamp said:
Loving this...so many things happening to protect Brady from any blame. I forgot where I read this earlier, but I read something about the Broncos double teaming Gronk all game, which was why Edelman got all those targets. Then on the PAT the doubled Edelman who Brady had started looking to first even though he wasn't the first option by design.
That's a great point, BC. About protecting Brady from blame. I saw McDaniels go over to him several times while on the bench during the game. Keeping his cool, et.al. He probably told him, "Dude, you blow-up? Then you're really gonna be running for your life." Not that he wasn't already, but stuff like that.
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18 minutes ago, DougDew said:
I wish I could hate Grigson because he is an Executive, and could blame him for what's wrong with the team, just like I blame people like him for what's wrong with the world and for my little oppressed place in it that I occupy.
If I wanted to actually think about the situation, I would realize that Grigs did not have the:
14TH OVERALL pick with which to choose Lotueleli.
9TH overall pick with which to choose Kuechly.
14TH OVERALL pick WAY BACK IN 2005 with which to choose Thomas Davis.
Clairvoyance to draft Josh Norman with a pick higher than the 5th round pick Carolina used, just like all NFL GMs and Carolina's GM didn't.
But, he did realize that trading for Vontae Davis (a scheme fit CB) Instead of using the second round pick that Carolina used on Kawann Short (a 4-3 undertackle), is a better deal for the Colts.
But carry on with mindless bashing.....
DD, the only thing that had me concerned about RG is, as I mentioned earlier, IF he had gone rogue on all his draft picks during his tenure here. Just threw out the question to anyone who had/has knowledge about that. RG has hit on more picks than not. If we're going to build this defense and OL up to a formidable one, I would want multiple input on varying positions. That may be happening or not. Would really like to think the new Coaching staff will weigh heavily into this year's draft, along with scouting/war-room personnel.
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8 minutes ago, Pagano's Realtor said:
If Carolina gets up a couple of scores early like they have both games in the playoffs, then I don't see a scenario where they lose this game. Peyton can't pick you apart with his arm anymore. Denver's best chance is to keep it a close game so that they can run a balanced offense. I know Denver has a great defense but Carolina also definitely has a top 5 defense themselves. They stop the run really well and although their secondary can be beat, they always seem to be able to create turnovers. It's going to be really, really hard for Denver to win this game, but hey, any given Sunday.
Well said. This game, IMO, is going to come down to protection. Both defenses have the capability of totally disrupting the QBs. We saw that yesterday with Brady. And Carolina just blew the Cards defensive line into oblivion, and Palmer had virtually no time v. Panther D line.
No doubt that SB 50 will be won in the trenches. Both teams know that. Who wants it more is the obvious question. We'll find out.
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1 hour ago, Dustin said:
Carolina is going to eviscerate them.
Judging from the Playoff games & the entire season, it sure looks that way. If the Broncos can get to Newton like they did Brady, they may have a chance. If not, it's gonna be a long, long game for Denver. Also, the protection for Manning needs to be outstanding. Either one of these two scenarios falter, I'm afraid the Broncs may be in trouble.
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6 minutes ago, Dustin said:
I'm sure he's listened to information gathered from the staff. How much of that does he actually take into consideration? I have no way of knowing. I know him, Pagano, and Manusky all agreed upon taking Casey Heyward in 2012 (even though he was taken before us) so I'm sure they all work in unison, but I'm sure Grigson is going to take who he wants regardless of what anyone aside from Irsay tells him.
Thanks. Do you feel that's a big problem concerning his misses? Especially 2013. Most GMs from what I've gathered over the years rely on their Coaching staffs very heavily because of all the multiple aspects that go into each & every pick. If Ryan has gone rogue on many of his choices, maybe this entire shake-up through the organization will be completely different. At least from my vantage point it would seem extremely more logical & fruitful.
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19 minutes ago, Dustin said:
As usual his FA was horrible. No player outperformed or played to the level of their contract aside from Langford and Lowery who both were average this season. I would give him props for re-signing Reitz, but it became obvious that he gave him that contract with the expectation of being a backup. He still for some reason went into 2015 with Harrison or Holmes at center when it was pretty clear both were terrible players. No added young edge talent.
First round draft choice was awful. There was no need to take Dorsett when a much better player (Tyler Lockett) would be available later.
TBD on D'Joun Smith, but i have no reason to expect anything. Anderson was such a great pick that I find it hard to believe that it was even Grigson's call to draft him. Geathers is meh. Parry is meh. Robinson is nothing. Goode is clearly a backup player no matter what Grigson has managed to whisper in Irsay's ear.
So, in all it was pretty terrible.
Dustin : Do you think or know that Grigson has in the past drafts relied on the Coaching staff for critical information? Besides the obvious of scouts, engaged personnel surrounding the drafts, and Irsay, it seems to many that RG has gone rogue on many picks. I would like to think it's different. But, I'm just not sure. I know the role of GMs concerning the draft. Gather as much info as you can from every reliable source you can, and make the call.
Does anyone see or feel this to be a rogue issue. If so, explain. I'm all ears.
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I understand about both points coming from the camps of offense & defense. But, take a look at the summation of just about ALL Super Bowl winners. Whatta ya see more than anything else that jumps off the page? DEFENSE! Yeah, I'm a defensive nut. However, it's just the way things are trying to accomplish Championships. Give me the #1 defense v. #1 offense in any venue, and I'll take the former than the latter. It may not ALL prove that way, but it's very, very close.
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14 minutes ago, SilentHill said:
We had a good QB, but the real feat is we almost beat them with Pep Hamilton!
Think about that!
Now THAT is an excellent point! I cannot wait until I see Luck next year behind Chud's playbook, along with all the many very good changes at Position Coaches.
Indy's is going to be a force to be reckoned with, once again, and it's not going to be only offense this time.
Spilling over into the NFL as an avid fan, I continued to be educated about Pro-ball on a wide venue.
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