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4 minutes ago, oldunclemark said:
Yes, we Colts fans are spoiled.
...even in a season where we were shredded by injuries on offense..we went 8-8 and we're whining.
//we don't want to see who we get in the draft because its harder to bad mouth management after we acquire decent young players.
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When you look at the last 4 years, we have performed very well when even marginally healthy.
I think there';s a lot of calmer Colts fans who are optimistic.
Optimists don't post
Some of us post, OUM.
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1 minute ago, BOTT said:
the present course of action was dictated by the GM's past actions.
I agree. It wasn't working at 100%. But the fact that a lot of that GMs directives, apparently through coaching, is gone. I don't lay claim to why Grigson has been retained. Whatever that is, resides with Irsay and privy others. I only know that Irsay recognized that too, by replacing most of the coaching staff. Whether that totally corrects an argumentitive course of action is yet to be seen.
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1 minute ago, COLTS449 said:
Well here's what I think would have been best, and a lot of others will agree. We should have cut Dre, Cole, DQ, Werner, and restructured Jones like we did. That would have given us enough cap room to sign some young impact players. I don't know the exact number, but it would have given us in between 40 and 50 million in cap room. So. We should have re-signed Freeman (He would have re-signed if we offered 3/15 instead of the 3/12 he got from Chicago. Then we should have signed Sean Smith 4/40, and Kelechi Osemele 5/58. We would have had enough cap room to make those 2 signings work, and probably even have enough to sign a 2nd tier vet like Weddle too. Those 2 signings would have made our team better than its been since the Luck era begun. Then get our pass rusher and starting Center in the 1st and 2nd round of the draft.
That's all fine and dandy except for one thing. It's not the path the Colts chose to start their foundation through draft. I'd like to think that this new regime is relying on their successful past to make changes solely upon that experience.
To me, the choices made so far align themselves with the newly chosen staff. And that's not a negative. It's a switch to acquire their systematic choice of action which includes a totally different direction as Irsay stated. You can't have it both ways. It's a one way street now. There's no point at barking at the directive if we're not totally privy to what that is yet. We're soon going to find out a lot more over the next several months as to what that contains fully. But from what I've gathered to this point is exactly what the upper tiered teams follow as protocol year in & out. That's a plus rather than suspect to failure.
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Upon reading some of the anti-fixes not contained by what the Colts have laid out, what are the solutions with the now sustained protocol? If the new coaching regime and draft isn't the answer for the future of the team, what is? I haven't seen one plan laid out by anyone for a better fix.
So, let's hear it from the naysayers. What exactly is your plan other than the present course of action the organization has chosen? I'm all ears.
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4 minutes ago, esmort said:
Too bad he wasted years letting Grigson screw it up before he decided to change direction, and then retains incompetent Grigson to go with the new direction.
Hey, I've no problem with how you feel. I get it. Winning & winning now has long followed this organization since Irsay took hold of it back in the 1990s. And that's exactly what he did - Win, and win consistently year in & year out. However, there comes a point in time where that ends for all NFL teams temporarily. Back to the tools from whence it came becomes the strategy. Deviation occurs at times as to what strategy to follow. The Colts have chosen one. We have to live with it to it's fruition. And my guess is it will be a winning one.
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8 minutes ago, esmort said:
Accomplished more? yes ... Farther along? Not sure about that.
A rebuild consists not of a majority of FAs. That's a given. It starts from coaching & yes GMs. However, Irsay has retained Grigson for a purpose beyond of what our knowledge and comprehension is right now. Irsay has certainly upset the status quo applecart with a monstrous 11 coaching changes while keeping Pagano. That's a huge move. A necessary move for a total rebuild through draft & beyond.
And these coaching changes have TEETH. Monachino, Chudzinski, Philbin, Williams, Krein, Singleton & Hull. Just to name a few. Some have changed roles, some not. I'll take these guys as absolute input as to what follows. Their knowledge and prior roles point to success. Whether that's selection, coaching, and/or valued systematic play.
You have to start somewhere. And the arrowed direction that Irsay seems to have laid out by coaching, draft, stronger & younger personnel, all point to a plan that consists of winning in a much different way than the past. Whether fans agree or disagree with the newly found strategy of this organization is irrelevant. It's going to happen. For this Old-Colt-Codger? I think it's a directive that's long overdue.
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Just now, esmort said:
Translation = give Grigson another chance to correct his previous incompetence.
You're not seeing the whole picture, my man. What have the Colts done to improve their situation since the end of last season?
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47 minutes ago, esmort said:
The answer is likely the eventual departure of Grigson.
When there is little to nothing to be positive about, might as well let people vent. What would you suggest as multiple positive topics for discussion concerning the Colts right now?
The way I've looked at all this talk about Grigson being the problem is taken by perspective through the wrong pointed gun. Jim Irsay is responsible for employing Grigson. If the blame game is used for excuse, it lies ultimately with him.
Jim Irsay is a great owner. And, Im quite sure he knows what he's doing judging from three 11-5 seasons and one 8-8 since the Grigson era. I really think we should get off the bash anyone bandwagon until we see what kind of changes by the organization can produce with all this new blood.
Give it a chance.
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2 minutes ago, BOTT said:
I don't get the notion that using free agency invites instability. This isn't basketball or baseball where players have long term guaranteed contracts. Grigson's problem is he was horrible in free agency and mediocre at best in the draft.
Your last sentence is most likely true if he was the lone acting responsible road. By title it certainly lays blame. No argument there. The only reason for keeping RG around through Irsay's mind is up for that argument. I tend to think Grigson's responsibilities have changed. As to what that is ... anyone's guess. Mine is the final say in the draft which he more than likely does not possess anymore without consensual agreement.
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The Colts organization has made a turn. A turn that invites stability, value, & longevity by correct selection. Patience through draft. Extended winning programs follow this course vehemently with much success. The selective personnel are in place to make these changes. It all starts with this year's draft and will more than likely extend into several more. By listening to & watching the Colts actions so far, it certainly appears to this fan that they're deadly serious about what they've stated & acted upon after this last season.
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41 minutes ago, Jared Cisneros said:
It's great and all that Grigson learned how to be a GM after 5 years finally. The problem is that Luck is 4 years older than when he got drafted and the team is almost in the same state as 2012. Now we are going to have to pay Luck, and we will almost be solely depending on the draft, with a team where a lot of our top guys are very young and still somewhat unproven. They could grow together with some draftees we get in the next couple years, or we could go down in flames and be the worst team in the division in 2 to 3 years. Option B shouldn't even be an option and it's why people on here and I, too some extent, are so upset. We should be going on a SB run this year, and instead, it's back to a mini rebuild 5 years in.
I read ya, JC. Why Irsay retained Grigson will not be revealed for some time. But the fact of the matter, he did. Whatever swayed Jim to do that is between himself & Grigson. Nothing we can do about it. However, judging from his directives as Owner of the team so far certainly contains some kind of positive in his mind. I tend to think that his roll as GM has changed going forward. What that is has yet to be seen.
Irsay has made some wide sweeping changes that include a new coaching staff, draft mentality, and the ensuing challenge to get younger & stronger. That's pretty big issues that needed to be addressed and were implemented.
The proof will be the upcoming seasons ahead as to how correct he is concerning the future of the Colts organization. We'll see. One thing that I've really noticed is that this new mentality has not been seen on such a large scale before. I hope it works out on an extended basis of winning consistently without relying on any one single position except QB. New England and several upper echelon teams seem to have made that switch quite a bit ago. It's played out very well for them over the years. If the Colts are now engaged with that line of NFL systematic play, that's a good and necessary change for contention every year.
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So much talk about Ryan Grigson over the last two years and his job performance. It's in the past. It's history. Gone. So, focusing on the present & future is the concern, right? Take a hard look at what's happened since the season ended. A new course and heading via Irsay hiring virtually an entire new coaching staff. A directive by him stating that the Colts will build through draft & get younger.
Responsibilities clarified & resolved by Irsay concerning Grigson & Pagano. I keep touting this because a lot of people dismiss these three HUGE important steps taken by the organization. It's a very BIG deal. The status quo is dead & buried.
These new realities point to one thing. Consensual & multiple input concerning the entire team management. A shared consensus by all. The old way of running the team is gone. Do not dwell on it. It doesn't make sense. Instead, focus on the actions the team has shown so far. A most revealing truth to change it's venue toward another direction of winning.
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54 minutes ago, csmopar said:
Yeah but gutting the team to do it won't work either.
Beg to differ. "Gutting" has many definitions. I'm not 100% certain of how the Colts will look after the wide sweeping coaching changes we have seen. One thing I can envision is that there will be plenty of changes. That you can just about count on.
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11 minutes ago, 21isSuperman said:
Get younger....so we re-structure Cole to keep him, and keep DQ? But let Freeman go?
Cole, Jackson & Freeman are in no way part of building a great defense. However that shakes out over time needs to be done.
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11 minutes ago, 21isSuperman said:
Yes, but that doesn't mean you can't re-sign your own players. You can build through the draft and re-sign players whose contracts have expired, especially when they're good players and could be apparently had for cheap.
Understood. However, at some point you make a turn. A turn that may not be popular. Irsay states he wants to build through draft & get younger. Not retaining Freeman seems to have been part of that plan through our new blood coaching staff IMO.
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34 minutes ago, 2006Coltsbestever said:
That's fine with me because building a Great team is a Marathon not a sprint. Andrew is only 25 so we have at least 10 more years to win a SB with him. Grigs went all out last season by signing 3 players in Gore, Johnson, and Cole who are old and everyone thought it was fantastic. It turned out to be a flop. I am for building through the Draft over the next 2 or 3 years, getting a stacked Defense and signing Andrew to like a 7 year deal. I have patience which many don't. I know with Andrew we will eventually win a SB, it may not be next season or in the next 3 seasons but remember it took Peyton 9 seasons before he won one.
Nice, '06CBE. And true to the point. (which most miss) The mentality of win & win now through Grigson's tenure has taken another course because it simply doesn't work that way. NFL fans should read through the obvious here. Win & win now has been tossed out the window for the time being. A smart concise move by the organization. Irsay states that the draft & consensual input from new blood (coaching) paves the way for the Colts. I think for the better. Much better.
Time is NOT of the essence here. Smart selection through draft, FA, et.al by multiple
consensus is a huge winning factor. Go ask New England, Pittsburgh, Denver. You build a continual SB contender this way. Multiple facets go into a formidable system.
Determine what type of team system and schematics you want to follow. Then, go get the coaching staff to follow it. Selection of players next. Conformity to that system after that. Follow those steps and do not deviate from it. And, let the cards fall where they may. I truly believe Jim Irsay has seen the light to accomplish the above.
The type of system & team along with the newly formed coaching staff is the proof of what's going on. It just has to be followed through, no matter how long that takes.
Winning and winning with a great team for multiple seasons is the goal. You do not acquire this without the outlined above. I like where we're headed. I truly hope it's going to be a fantastic ride for years to come. I expect that, as do many others.
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Does everyone understand what building a formidable team through draft means?
A good move by the Colts to not retain Freeman.
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10 minutes ago, James said:
Strange not to keep him if those numbers are correct. Instead we have the slow Jackson at ILB.
What is the plan? I just can't see it.
The plan is to acquire great potential talent through the draft. Irsay has already mapped this out by his statements. To build a formidable team, and finally accomplish a defense that contains game wreckers will not come through FA.
Starting over begins with coaching. The Colts have done that. Next step is to bring in players that match the coaching aspects & expectations. Freeman was not in the cards for Indianapolis. Jackson may or may not be next. Building a great defense starts with OLB & ILB positions that challenge greatness.
The "plan" may not be popular, but it's necessary. Start from the ground up and acquire talent that keys into team schematics. Many of the upper echelon teams build through draft. It's that simple. The Colts have established one of the finest coaching team talents I've seen in quite a while. Especially, defense. A clean sweep. Results will come, whether that's right away or not. We need to let this new regime ride out it's aspirations to fruition. They've got a very good start so far.
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1 minute ago, SaturdayAllDay said:
Why would you say Nobody is out to get him? Haven't even seen a post from him in awhile, let alone one calling out CC1.
Sometimes mis-communication runs rampant around here. Just thought I'd try and take a stab at clearing the air.
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1 hour ago, crazycolt1 said:
IF you continue reading I corrected my mistake. So when you make a mistake are you out of your mind? I made a mistake. If you think Grigson is Millen you MUST have mad a mistake? Or were you out of your mind?
CC1, I really think NFLfan was being more corrective than antagonistic. Just my observation by proxy.
Lighten up a little, brother. Nobody's out to get you.
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20 hours ago, Archer said:
Sounds like they are planning for Brady's suspension, which is (almost) another admission of guilt from the Pats.
One can only hope.
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1 hour ago, Defjamz26 said:
I think Grigson is being more calculated than he ever has. Not everything was his fault, but he has had 4 drafts and very little to show for it. Four Offseasons and aside from I think Vontae and Darius Butler, no outside FAs who have played 4 or more years for the Colts. Most of the outside FAs given sizeable contracts didn't work out. Granted there have been some injuries and character issues with the draftees and FAs but that's the reality.
Its very wise for him to be reserved. Extension or not , he can't afford too many more misses. I think he's focusing most of his attention on the 2016 and 2017 drafts.
"I think he's focusing most of his attention on the 2016 and 2017 drafts."
He's not the only one responsible for the attention. Not this time(s). The course and heading have changed from lone wolf to a pack mentality.
And we all know a pack can kill much easier than lone strays. I'm looking for more draft killers this time. Quantity & quality rule side by side this coming draft. A consensus if you will by the chosen, via command by one Jim Irsay.
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The fact the entire coaching staff has been replaced for all intents & purposes leads a path to a newly formed mentality concerning the draft. Hits or misses from the past are totally irrelevant at this point. Not even a bar measure as it were from 2012.
Grigson is not going to be the last recourse of choice. Too many factors and changes have laid credence to that. There's a much larger variance by selection this year considering as to why Irsay has engineered sweeping changes. Given that, Grigson may be held without account as a GM, however, it's not going to reflect upon him totally by circumstance this go around.
Laying blame to not hitting home runs lies not with the GM for 2016, but an entire array of input from the scouts & entire coaching staff. It's most obvious that the Colts have not made this a secret judging from the verbal signals sent out regarding the new regime so far.
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3 minutes ago, Superman said:
I really don't care about Cam Newton's post game press conference. I hate post game pressers most of the time, especially when you lose the biggest game of your life. We hold these guys to incredibly high standards, and when they are full of raw emotion we expect them to be top notch examples of class, sportsmanship and professionalism. I think that's silly.
Of course, if you already dislike Cam Newton, then this is great fodder.
I hear ya, MOS! But even my grandchildren recognize the definition of losing with grace. I just think he could've handled it in a much better fashion. I know these guys are pumped after games. Maybe the NFL/Media should give these guys a couple hours to reflect before approaching a mic.
Greatness, in all of it's forms, must be recognized by athletes on every wrung of the ladder. Including how to conduct one's self after losing. Wouldn't you think?
Are we that spoiled?
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Well, that might be very true. I just can't see Irsay giving a total revamp without other input besides Grigson as the final call going forward. If I'm wrong, I'd gladly recant.