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    Chuck Pagano

    in Colts Football

    Posted

    That offense was primarily composed of rookies, new players and coaches. The D wasn't special at all. Team was average, middle of the pack at best talent wise and they made the playoffs. The organization was virtually demolished and rebuilt. That being said, yeah there was still some solid talent on the team but it was still comprised none the less of people who had little chemistry together which can mean a lot. After the 2011 season many thought it would take 2-3 years to start to develop into a playoff caliber team alone. We see they currently they are well ahead of schedule.

    As for Pagano I do like the guy. The players genuinely seem to like playing for him. I think he coaches to the ability of his talent around him however there is still much that needs to be done. Do I see a HOF caliber coach, no but I don't see a terrible coach either. There are issues with consistency on the D side of the ball as well as the O, we all know that. We are unable to determine if it's just simply the talent of the team, or the coaching staffs inability to make the talent around them better. It could be a combination of both, it could be multiple factors IE lack of talent, bad game planning, player improvement and more.

    In the end it's good to save threads like this for the end of the season because they can change on a dime. If the Colts start playing great out of the blue the tone of this thread would change dramatically.

    Good post.

    Chuck Pagano

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    That is funny. Check out post number 30 of this thread. In case you struggle finding it, I'll just quote what you said;

    "We were losing in nearly half our games because our roster outside of Luck."

    "We were losing in nearly half our games because our roster outside of Luck."

    "WE WERE LOSING NEARLY HALF OUR GAMES BECAUSE OUR ROSTER OUTSIDE OF LUCK."

    The internet throws up some funny characters.

    I was talking about when Luck helped us comeback in those 8 or 9 comeback wins we had that year. I wasn't talking about when we lost.

    Yes in our losses Luck didn't play well, but thats a big duh.

    Chuck Pagano

    in Colts Football

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    There's nothing to be confused about. Luck had a very good season, but that guy suggesting every win was due to Luck, and every loss had nothing to do with him, is just being silly.

    Funny, I dont recall saying what your last point was at all.

    I never said Luck had nothing to do with our losses. Clearly he wasn't perfect in 2012. But he pretty much carried that 2012 team.

    Chuck Pagano

    in Colts Football

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    Did you miss Luck's 18 interceptions, second highest in the league?

    Saying those 5 losses had nothing to do with Luck is cute. Saying Luck was the reason for those 11 wins is just as cute.

    Regardless, Luck WAS on that roster and that roster was not a train wreck.

    Yeah sure, whatever you say.

    If you think Luck didn't play a big part in those 11 wins, then clearly you did not watch a game from 2012. The O Line was atricious, the D line outside of Redding was pretty bad. Our linebacker play outside of Mathis, was average at best. Our secondary was OK but nothing special.

    Quit over hyping that roster. Its nonsense.

    Chuck Pagano

    in Colts Football

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    Nope. Put an average QB in there and you're still getting 7-8 wins.

    Secondly, that's a dumb statement to make anyway. Luck was on the roster. Fact. That was not a "train wreck" of a roster. Well above average.

    By the way, taking a really good QB out of any team is going to make that team worse, just in case you didn't know that.

    As I said to South West, go talk to a Jags or Raiders fan if you want to find out about real train wreck rosters.

    Did you even watch the Colts in 2012? If not for Luck digging us out 8-9 games that year, that team would not have won many games. The roster was not that good period.

    We were losing in nearly half our games because our roster outside of Luck, and a few others was pretty bad. How can you even argue this?

    Chuck Pagano

    in Colts Football

    Posted

    Here's some things you might want to consider;

    - Who cares if Luck wasn't proven? He had a very good season in 2012, the fact he was a rookie is pointless.

    - Ballard was not injury prone at all during that season, he played every game.

    - Brown averaged 3.9 yards per carry. That's very good for a Colts RB.

    - Allen was more than "capable" in 2012. 45 receptions and 521 yards shows he played a big role.

    - Fleener was a solid second option at tight end as his numbers show.

    - The fact Freeman was unknown before the 2012 season means nothing. He played well that year, that's all that matters.

    - Bethea was good then and he's playing very well for the Niners now. Better than anything the Colts have currently at the position.

    - Butler lead the team with 4 interceptions in 2012.

    Finally, if you think that roster was a "train wreck" it just shows how spoiled Colts fans have been. Go ask a Jags fan about train wreck rosters. Or the Browns, or the Raiders etc.

    You're over hyping the 2012 roster. It wasn't as good as you say it was. Without Luck, the 2012 team wins maybe 4 games, if that.

    Chuck Pagano

    in Colts Football

    Posted

    I feel like there are a lot of times we are outcoached, if I am being honest. I like they guy, but... I just can't even imagine the success we would have if we had Bill Belichick coaching this team.

    I agree. We will still win many games (10-12 games a year) and maybe a super bowl or two. But they will be won because of Luck. Chucks coaching at time leaves much to be desired.

    Chuck Pagano

    in Colts Football

    Posted

    I'm just curious

    Do you believe Chuck is a good/great coach?

    I think hes a decent coach, but sometimes he does things that make me shake my head. I'm just curious as to what most of you guys think about him...

    Has anyone seen Josh Chapman?!? Anyone?

    in Colts Football

    Posted

    Call me crazy, but I think Redding is a liability at this point. Good at times against the pass, but disappears oftentimes in games and is a liability against the run.

    I hate saying this because I love Redding, but he hasn't played well since the Cincinnati game. He looked really good earlier in the year, not sure what's up with him.

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