AndreRison
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I did hear somewhere that Iverson signed an agreement with his wife that if he cheated on her, came home after curfew, or did a couple of other things he would forfeit the Reebok trust to her. Needless to say he failed to live up to the agreement. She got the whole thing, but then allowed him to keep half of it.It's set up in a trust, so legitimate lenders aren't supposed to lend against it, if I understand correctly. You can borrow against or take an annuity from the interest the trust gains, but not the principal funds. And shady lenders probably aren't interested in handing over money for future repayment in 15 years. Besides, Iverson probably isn't the executor of the trust, so he can't borrow against it without full authorization.
I don't know that all of those details hold true in this case, just saying that if it's typical, it's unlikely that he's able to borrow against it. I also read that he's partially deferred his NBA pension. So when he's old, he's unlikely to be broke.
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Just as long as he doesn't let a shady financial advisor invest his money for him, like Tim Duncan did.
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Manning thought it was cheating. Brunell thought it was cheating. Feeley thought it was cheating.Seriously, you don't have to explain things to me. I think I may have been the very first here to write about how serious the NFL would view this and how a big penalty was coming. And I said it back when it became public in January. And guess what happened..................?
I'm not saying I approve of what New England did. I'm just saying I wasn't offended. The Colts didn't lose the game because of what New England/Brady did.
Gaylord Perry is in baseball's Hall of Fame and everyone on the planet knows his best pitcher was a spitball. That's cheating.
The Boston Celtics would turn up the heat in the visiting locker-rooms at the Old Boston Garden during the playoffs. It was like a sauna. It may not be cheating, but it certainly wasn't very sporting of them.
As I said when I wrote it.... I think most professional athletes -- I'm not just talking football -- I'm talking most professional athletes, would not think of this as cheating.
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The fact that McNally said, I'm not going to ESPN....yet. contradicts this line of reasoning.It's perfectly possible that Tom did not know that the balls were being deflated after the official check. As I said before, there is nothing wrong with Tom telling his equipment guys to under inflate the balls. The issue only arises if he knew they were doing it AFTER the officials had examined the balls....and that assumption is where there is a lack of proof.
If he didn't know that McNally was doing this after the official check, then he wasn't lying when he said this was the first he heard about it the day after the AFCCG.
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There was a warning in December of 2014, after the Vikings infraction.I hear what you are saying. But at same time one must look at the NFL inaction and accept the consequences of that inaction when one is thereafter trying to fashion a remedy if any for a rule violation. When the NFL got notice from your team, via that letter you posted, the NFL was on notice that the pats may be violating a rule.
Did NFL pick up the phone and call the pats and tell them "hey we got a rumbling that you are deflating balls, don't do it or we are going to nail yah" There certainly told their officials. Did the ref in the locker room say anything to our employees, nope. Did the league official standing outside the ref locker room say anything, nope, did he say anything when McNally walked by him unescorted, nope, did Walt Anderson do anything once he realized the balls were out of his sight, nope. Nothing, nothing, nothing.
When we endeavor to throw around the integrity label, as many have done on this board the last three to four months, we must realize that that label works for all people not just the pats or violators in general, its applies to all folks involved in the situation.
Whenever we look at past actual rules violations we first fine that subsequent to the first known violation, there is simply a warning. We saw that will the violation of the instant rule by minn/vik. We saw it with some of the violations that have been viewed as the most heinous by many in recent years, Spygate and BountyGate. In both instances there were violations, the NFL knew about them and issued warnings to teams. With Spygate there was at least a general warning/reminder in the form of a letter in 2006 and with Bountygate there was a warning issued to coach Payton telling him that the NFL has hard evidence that the Saints are involved in a bounty scheme, please stop, the Saints refused to stop and continued for another year and half with their actions and they got sanctioned. So the flow of things is that folks violate rules, the NFL warns them to stop, and if folks continue to do so, there are sanctions coming.
So from an integrity standpoint for the NFL, they must treat everybody equal and not have second class citizens. And part of that actions is to hand out as sanctions just warning to folks have been caught by a rules violation. that is why I have a problem with the word integrity and the NFL's silence on this matter.
Now that there was a finding that the balls came in at halftime below the 12.5 psi, the NFL could have, likes its done in the past, just issued a warning post first violation to the pats not to tamper with the balls. Or if they felt the need imposed sanctions they could have simply looked at the results, realized that of the 22 measurements at least 8 came within the temperature consideration, perhaps split the baby and say that we think that half (6) balls are tampered with, at that point you could issue a 25K for each ball and handed the pats a 150K fine or rounded it up to 200K fine. That's how I would of handled it.
If the NFL issue a 200K fine, it would of imposed a sanction, fair in my opinion, would of given the folks who do not like the pats satisfaction of them being found in violation, and would of accounted for the fairly to issue any kind of warning.
bias or not, you con not deny the fact that in the past the NFL has only issued warning, and in this case to not issue one and then to go all nuclear is not right. You want to issue a fine and violated the pats, then go ahead, but from an integrity standpoint afford them the same treatment you have afforded other violators in the past.
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Why do people keep saying this can only happen in home games? Don't both teams bring their own balls?
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Sorry wrong thread
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Ah, but you do care. Your on a Colts forum trying to let Colts fans know Brady is being railroaded. If you've read anything on these forums you know most of us believe the Wells report.i'll never know. i honestly don't care what they were texting about.
I feel bad for hard core fans of Brady, such as yourself. I'm sure Bonds fans and ARod fans went through the same thing. This will pass. Eventually it will be just something Brady did to get ahead and people will stop taking about it. The suspension is inevitable at this point. I hope you find peace in this, but I realize that will be hard without Brady telling everybody what really happened.
Good luck with your mission, and hopefully we get some answers from Brady, if not we can't control any of this, so maybe one day you'll be able to let it go.
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Just curious, what do you think McNally and Jastremski were doing?haters and media can reasonably assume brady more probably than not he knew about what's going on. but that's not enough to suspend a guy because all the things that i've said above.
you can call him a cheater all you want, but you can't suspend a guy because there is zero proof that brady ordered them to make the ball 11psi.
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Again, the Colts fan forum can't stop this suspension. You should write this up and give it to the league. I think most people here disagree with you, but maybe Troy sees it your way.haters and media can reasonably assume brady more probably than not he knew about what's going on. but that's not enough to suspend a guy because all the things that i've said above.
you can call him a cheater all you want, but you can't suspend a guy because there is zero proof that brady ordered them to make the ball 11psi.
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Well the NFL warned teams in December of 2014 not to warm their balls. McNally got caught in January of 2015, and they hid it from the league. Just like spygate Patriots never heed the warning, and get caught conspiring then obstructing and lying.i'm not seeing the difference. putting a needle to a ball to let air out before the game or heating the ball to let air out during the game.
cheating is cheating if you ask me.
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If air pressure is insignificant, then why is Brady bribing guys to break the rules. That sounds crazy. Why risk a lengthy suspension over something so innocuous?and they are also playing the game in front of 80k fans. every game matters. it's do or die. brady played with 16 psi ball on 10/16/2014. it didn't feel right, but he played. why? because it's NFL FOOTBALL GAME. air pressure in football is so insignificant because you are TRYING TO WIN THE GAME.
brady is worrying about the pass rush, defense, and game plan. he has no time to think about the air pressure during the game.
well, that's what i think.
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Conspiracy to deflate after inspection is against the rules, and has nothing to do with science.heating the ball can change the air pressure. it's called science. and if it goes below 12.5 than it's a violation of the rule.
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You don't understand what they were accused of. They conspired to let air out after inspection.again stop making up stories. stop the assumption.
1. refs more probably than not do a goodl old 'squeeze' test. seriously. when they feel it's deflated then they put air in. when they feel it's inflated then they deflate it.
"The majority of the time, they take air out of the football. I think that, for me, is a disadvantage." - aaron rodgers
2. you don't know if refs and brady went back and forth about ball pressure. i don't know either
3. let's say you are right. then he should've said ball should've been 12.5 to 13.5
4. Brady played 15 years in this league. 209 games. this 'deflating' issue was brought up just now. this year. so for 200+ games refs or the league didn't raise this issue because brady's ball passed the 'squeeze' test
this is a non issue if matt ryan did it.
Also they didn't catch him because they give the balls away instead of retesting them after the game. I think this will change this year. Brady won't be able to pull this off again.
They will probably do like they do in racing, inspect once the event is over so it's less likely someone can cheat.
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I think your confusing ball prep with conspiring to deflate football's after the refs have signed off on the balls, already prepped.And this is such a big news because
1. it's pats
2. it's tom brady
seriously.
NY Times reports that it takes a month for Eli Manning to prep his ball.
all teams do things like this and it's no issue
and when aaron rodgers want his ball 16+ psi nobody makes a big deal out it when it's a clear advantage to have a fully inflated football because
1. it's harder to catch (only skilled WRs can catch it - DBs will drop sure INTs)
2. it gives more velocity (sports science proved it)
Entire league was doing steroids in 70's. WRs used stickums. teams cheat salary caps. tamper with players.
this is no issue if carson palmer did it.
this is no issue if alex smith did it.
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Well, in Brady's press conference he says 12.5.Listen to Brady press conference. answer is there.
what you are thinking is irrelevant. we are talking about suspension here. that's player's lively hood. you can't suspend a guy when there is no clear violation.
Also, nobody on the Colts forum is suspending Brady. That will be the NFL. Maybe you should write to the league. Trying to convince people on the Colts forum is fruitless. You should take this right to the top, and maybe get an audience with Troy. He might see it your way he might not, but at least you could say you tried.
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Because 11 or 10.5 is not what they're supposed to be. I'm not sure if you've read the rules, but it looks like Jastremski has. He states the rule right there. I think you're conflating what Tom wants and what the rule is. If Tom really wanted them at 13, he would just ask the league to make sure they don't go over the limit. He wouldn't employ two dummies to steal the bag to get em right.if Jastresmki and Brady were in cahoots about being getting balls under regulations why in the hell would he say 13 there and not 11 or 10.5?
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If what you're saying is true, then it begs the questions; Why not go to the referees and say you put to much air in my balls? Why have them covertly take air out just to make them legal?
This is the logic of your average Patriot fan.
I think Woody said it best. Brady wanted an edge and went to far.
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So are we to believe Brady had these guys taking air out after the referees already put the balls at 16 psi so he could make sure they were at 13 psi? Why would he have them break the rules just to get them at the acceptable NFL range? That's just absurd.it's always convenient to ignore some of the critical details. Pg 90 of wells report.
https://twitter.com/MarkDanielsPJ/status/597461247894757376/photo/1
it's ridiculous if you ask me. so one thing is certain - Brady wanted 13psi on 10/16/2014. the day he threw 16psi ball against the Jets. He of course threw 3tds 0ints that day. lesson learned. haters will always hate no matter what.
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Pats are 2-0 in games where the Colts asked the league to stop Brady from ball tampering.Pats are 4-0 in Luck era with all blow outs. We love that you got him and Pagano too.
It's so satisfying to see the Patriots having to cheat against the Colts.
It's so satisfying to see Brady finally caught.
It's so satisfying to know Wells leaked his report to ESPN before the NFL could burn it.
It's so satisfying to hear the Patriot Brass, players, former players, Shefter, and Patriot fans try to pin this on the Colts only to find out it was Tom Brady all along.
It's so satisfying to read the fumblegate report and have an answer as to why the Patriots are the greatest team, in the history of the NFL, by a wide margin at not fumbling.
If it wasn't for Eli Manning being the most clutch QB of his era, Tom Brady would have cheated his way to 6 Superbowls.
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I got this quote from Sharp Football Analytics--jeff van gundy trashed wells report
https://twitter.com/ZZZ__1034/status/596856935363780608
if any of you read the wells report from start to finish, you will know
1. it's a speculative report
2. it's a speculative report
3. it's nothing but a speculative report
if i'm brady, i would sue NFL and don't back down.
The “deflator” Jim McNally started operating in his role in 2007, right after the rule for the footballs was changed (in large part due to the efforts of Tom Brady), and immediately the Patriots became so fumble-proof it literally jumps off the page as so extraordinary that any good statistician has to catch their breath and run the numbers again because they are almost too absurd to be true.
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Yeah I guess it depends on if you have an employment contract or not. But most people don't realize employers can fire at will without a contract.That depends on the job and circumstances
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An employer doesnt need a reason to fire an employee.that's the thing. commish has too much power. i can't fire my employee just because i 'think' he sucks. i gotta have a legitmate reason.
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People are so jealous the Colts got Luck. I thought Patriots fans would just be proud of their team, but maybe all of this cheating has them insecure.
Gronkanomics... Pats TE may be smarter than we all think...
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The weird thing for me is Iverson gets killed for his off the court issues, while Gronk gets applauded for his irresponsible behavior.