AndreRison
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Ok if Brady and the Patriots are innocent,
1. Why are the ball boys suspended?
2. Why did they say, no more interviews with McNally?
3. Why didn't Brady bring them to his appeal?
4. Why did McNally say he wasn't going to ESPN, yet?
5. Why did McNally take the balls into the bathroom?
6. Why did McNally sneak them out of the ref room?
7. Why would Brady be mad at McNally for not taking air out of a ball from the Jets game, after the refs put it at "16"?
8. Why did McNally try to put in a K ball?
9. Why were the balls PSI levels under, even what their own biased experimenters said the ideal gas law would put them at?
There is no way you can answer all of these questions and still logically conclude, this was some innocent mishap. People trying to explain all of this away cannot possibly believe what they are saying.
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If we have to see 8 more years of this dude's cheating..... I'm done watching football.
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Wells, Wells, Wells, it seems Tom admitted to destroying the phone. I mean, his assistant.
So, this past week Patriot fans were saying Brady accidently broke it. I'm glad this wasn't sealed. It gets tiring listening to Bob Costas spin this narrative.
Typing this, I was reminded of Adam Schefter going on a New England radio show, claiming he heard people saying The Colts were the ones that deflated the intercepted ball, and it was the only one deflated. Thanks Adam Schefter, it's funny all these months later.
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Embarrassed?!! Embarrassed?!!! Lol!!LOL. They had Jastremiski's phone. Or did you already forget.
You can feel good if you want BUT I would be completely embarrassed today if I was a fan of either the Ravens or Colts.
What are the odds Harbaugh is the guy who got the ball rolling on Brady not following the rulebook? I guess John took him serious, and now we have Tommy destroying phones.
Patriot fans were eating up the coverage about formation gate. Oh wow, look, Bill took advantage of a grey area in the rulebook.
The rest of the NFL fans are eating up the coverage about deflategate. Oh wow, look, Bill threw Tommy under the bus. Brady's dodging and weaving but the bus has hit him head on.
Thank You John Harbaugh.
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10,000 texts, and the 3 that are missing are to Jastremski?!!So we have confirmation that the Ravens tipped off the Colts about the balls. Pretty much makes John Harbaugh a big liar. Not that I believed him anyways.
You know what's hilarious, I keep hearing how much power Kraft and Brady have...
Brady tells Harbaugh to check the rulebook...
Then Harbaugh drops the hammer, Brady ends up in court
I'm so glad Harbaugh told Grigson.
I'm so glad Grigson to the league.
I'm so glad the Colts leaked it to Kravitz.
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So he had over 10,000 texts and 3 to Jastremski are missing?!! That kinda deflates the argument, why do they need Brady's phone if they have the other 2 guys phone.
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I'm not sure....but he seems to be the player Goodell made his name off of. I haven't been keeping up on Adam, but it is surprising he is still in the league.
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Just listened to LeBatard. They had Jones on, and he said when he first got paid, he spent a million dollars in one weekend. He bought a Bentley and a Ferrari. He also went on month long vacations around the world. The saddest part is the vacations cost a ton of money because he had huge groups of people leaching off him.
Back when he was getting in trouble, two people stuck by his side. His mom, and his current wife.
He's turned his life around, and now the commissioner has him talking to the rookies about the pitfalls of getting rich instantly.
I didn't hear the whole interview, but if you're interested, I believe they post their show in podcast form the day after it airs.
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so somebody couldn't steal them from the refs."Problems with the first predicate. According to the official narrative of Deflategate, the Indianapolis Colts came to suspect that the Patriots were deflating footballs after the Colts intercepted two of Bradys passes during a nationally televised game on Nov. 16, 2014, which the Patriots won 42-20, continuing their lopsided dominance of the Colts. But there are gaps in the Colts story.
First, the game was played at Lucas Oil Stadium in Indianapolis, meaning it was a Colts home game and as we have learned from the Deflategate record, the home team controls both teams footballs after they are inspected by the referees before the game. A home-team employee carries them to the field, meaning that any tampering by the Patriots would have had to occur in front of tens of thousands of people and hundreds of cameras, but no one has presented such evidence."
https://consortiumnews.com/2015/08/01/the-two-minutes-hate-of-tom-brady/
Are you admitting you believe they were cheating in all home games?
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This is why 4 games is not a harsh punishment.
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I find it odd Pats fans are losing their minds about the 11 of 12 tweet, but never bring up the leak that the only under inflated ball was the intercepted ball. It's hypocritical. I also find it odd Tom Brady is ok with the ball boys taking a hit, when he ordered the whole thing.
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So the deflator took the balls into bathroom, but Mortenson was given the wrong info? I don't get it...Is McNally available for questioning now, and the bathroom story a hoax?Ignore the first half...but it's not a good look for the NFL if Kensil intentionally provided Mortensen with the wrong information that started to write the narrative right from the beginning.
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Just wow... I don't think Adrian Peterson can catch Emmitt.
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I don't know how true your statement is, but I know Brady didn't get suspended for obstructing an investigation.But regardless, it still gets back to my point that a player has never been suspended for obstructing an investigation.
Brady got suspended for deflated football's.
The obstruction in the investigation allowed the investigators to consider that obstruction in the worst possible light. They could have concluded the obstruction wasn't obstruction at all, and instead concluding it was just a broken phone. The timing of when it was broke, the months it took to admit this, and the fact he didn't save the SD card led them to the logical conclusion that the phone was "destroyed" to cover up his involvement. They also found out he wanted to secretly meet with Jastremski in the QB room. He also claimed he didn't know McNally, a man who worked on the Patriots sidelines all the way back before Brady was even drafted. That also lends credence to the notion that he had something to hide. It's really not shocking that the suspension was upheld. What's shocking is that it wasn't longer.
In my opinion, the destruction of the phone should have added games to his suspension.
If he had held onto the phones, and stuck to his guns about not letting them read one iota of his texts, without destroying phone #2, he would've had a great chance of keeping his texts out of the investigation.
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I can think of one reason....He knew it wasn't his shady phone.Also, it should be noted that the Wells report makes a big deal of the word "deflator" and meaning the person who call himself this as being is one who deflates balls and further states that the pats operation likely went back this far. Well just to remind you and any other folks in the peanut gallery, that text occurred in May of 2014, indicating that Wells thinks this behavior is at least that old. Well the phone Brady handed to the NFL ended in November 2014 and thus would of been in use at least 7 months after the earliest point in which the NFL felt the pats were involved in this behavior.
If Brady was trying to hide something why would he turn over that phone?
So,you're claiming the NFL got his old phone? How did they get that phone?
So the story is, the NFL has phone #1. Brady broke phone #2.
Why would the NFL have phone #1, if Brady is claiming privacy issues? This actually makes it more likely Tom "destroyed" phone #2 to hide something.
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I've asked this same question in the past. I think it drives up registration. So, allowing the Pats fans to overtake some threads is actually good for the board, in general.You know.....I must ask a question.....
Why on earth on we allowing Pats fans to come on this board and do nothing but argue with Colts fans? Granted I've particpated in the back and forth as well, but it seems that some posters who shall remain nameless have 10,000+ posts, mostly arguing.........
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Just listened to Sal Palentonio on the Stephen A Smith show. The two teams that should benefit from the suspension the most, the Ravens and the Colts.
Not having Brady for 4 games could ultimately decide home field for the playoffs.
I totally disagree. The culture of cheating in New England tells me it won't stop with video and deflated football's. New England doesn't need Tom Brady to win games, just ask Matt Cassell.
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Also, if his lawyers told him to destroy the phone they could be disbarred.
If he doesn't destroy the phone, he almost assuredly could have kept his phone out of it. I don't think he would have been compelled to turn it over to investigators. Once he destroyed it, he pretty much sealed his fate, in the courts, and the court of public opinion.
It's funny. The cover up, not the cheating, will destroy any hope of coming out of this unscathed.
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Patriots fans claiming there is no evidence, overlook the destroyed cell phone. The destroyed cell phone is evidence. There is no reason an arbitrator shouldn't look at a destroyed cellphone, on or around the day the investigators said they would need to see it, in the worst possible light.
Even if Brady is telling the truth, after first lying about destroying it. Even if it did just break, he knew they wanted to see contents of his text messages. He still would have a SIM card, where the text messsages could be retrieved. If he would then stand fast to his proclamation that he wouldn't show them anything so personal, instead of destroying it, he may have been able to get a court to disqualify his text messages. But, by destroying any trace of them, he left the arbitrator no choice but to conclude he destroyed the phone to cover up incriminating information about this case.
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Thank you....
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How is that fair? Why him?
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I'm pretty sure the lawyers for the NFL aren't just trying some crazy unprecedented legal maneuver, hoping the judge will set some kind of precedent. It's more likely, if the NFLPA does sue in a different state, that court will wait on the court in New York.You are a pistol.
Gees, for the third time here is my original post on the matter, paragraph #2, 203. reads as follows:
"I see you at your mailbox and you make a deflategate joke. I get a tire iron out of my car, punch you in the nose, whack your right hand with the tire iron and thereafter find out you are a concert pianist. Fearing that the damage to your hand may cause lost wages over the federal court jurisdiction limit for filing in federal court and I want to do something about it. In this particular case two federal court have jurisdiction, the one with jurisdiction over the location (where you live) and with the power over me (where l live)."
Knowing the federal court in your jurisdiction has plaintiff friendly judges and the federal court in my home state has defendant friendly judges. I immediately fly home and before the end of the day file paperwork asking my home federal court to determine if I did anything wrong. I am not sure what standing I would have, what my cause of action would be, and what form who the complaint take. Do you?"
First off I mentioned money damages (a pianist damaged hand - he can't play and get paid), translation - civil (not to mention the fact that money damages are not an element to the crime of A&BDW, so why would I mention money damages unless I was referring to a civil case?). Second I mentioned federal court jurisdiction limits, again civil, what is needed for diversity jurisdiction - civil. Third, I mention a defendant picking a court of his choosing, something a criminal defendant cant not do initially (the state does that). Fourth, I mentioned a crime that would only be charged criminally in state court, but as talking federal it can only be civil that I am referring too. Fifth, this is a thread about civil cases and what a civil defendant can do. And last but not least I mention "plaintiff" there NO PLAINTIFFS in criminal cases, its the STATE (fed or state) and the criminal defendant. It is ONLY in CIVIL cases that we have plaintiffs.
So I was referring to a civil case. I neglected to use the magic word "civil" but thought it was obvious based on all of the above, and I wanted to try to be brief in my posts tonight, which has now gone out the window.
. So sorry for not using buzz words, but I was talking about a civil case as you can see.As for judge shopping, that sadly is in the hands of the plaintiffs and do understand where the NFL and you are coming from, it will be interesting to see if this sets a precedent if this is indeed a case of first impression.
And yes it will be interesting to see how this plays out. My gut feeling is that this might be case of first impression. It would be one thing if this were a different type of civil case, like my breaking the pianist's hands, and it getting near the end of the statute of limitations and I wanted to get a ruling for peace of mind or something. But any resolution on this matter will start tomorrow with the filing by Brady there is no need for the NFL to file anything seeking a resolution. I do not see how one can boot strap a declaratory judgment to the full blown case, especially if the same is filed in close proximity to the declaratory judgment. It would make sense to me that the judge handling the declaratory judgment would dismiss the case without prejudice for the findings to be found in the other case filed by the plaintiff. But time will tell and we will be getting answers to this question in the upcoming weeks.
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no but he does seem to have an alcohol problem.I think the point is that having a good time isn't inherently irresponsible.
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Irresponsible might be too harsh a word. Clownish.What has he done that's irresponsible?
Deflategate Central (one thread, merged, moderated)
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The best part of this whole thing;
The Colts notify the league to watch out for these shenanigans.
On the very game they notify the league, these imbeciles steal the balls, take them into a bathroom, and later try to put in a K ball....
How stupid can you be? That's why I'm shocked to be arguing with Patriot fans about what actually happened.