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5 minutes ago, bananabucket said:
It wasn't what I expected. They didnt literally mean inside the war room. Really all they did was recap the season, recap additions/losses, then projected a few players as good fits (Cook, Rasul Douglas, Alex Anzalone). They also showed some guy named Andrew Williamson or something as a starting safety which means they didn't even do enough research to know Butler would be moving there.
Ya no kidding I thought the same thing. It was kinda a let down but oh well. I guess we will just have to wait one more week till we actually know who we get. They also had Margus Hunt starting on our D-line.
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Hey all! I have not seen anyone mention it yet so I thought I would bring it up. The Path To The Draft on NFL Network will be going inside the Colts War Room tomorrow night at 6. I am interested what these guys have to say since there is so much uncertainty in this years draft with Ballard, what he did in FA, and the needs we have or if we go BPA, OvsD, etc. Guess we will find out tomorrow night!
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On 3/31/2017 at 3:01 PM, Beizy317 said:
You must of forgot about when we played The Bengals. Completely shut them out all four quarters. About the only highlight of our defense actually playing top notch.
That was like the only year our D was playing really solid down the stretch until we played the Patriots in the playoffs.
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I like how some people stated that his play wasn't against good competition.
On 4/4/2017 at 9:06 PM, jameszeigler834 said:Not all of them Bengals were good that year that film was their 2015 matchup and the Chiefs are a good team now for the most part the rest of the teams on that are not very good but I think this guy will be good we could have signed a lot worst in my opinion.
This is a great rebuttal against that argument and then I would like to add one more thing to it. Some of his other highlights were against divisional teams! Even if our division is good or not the Jags kinda have had our number the last two years so if he can make plays against them and his old team I'm all for it! Also that batted pick 6 he had probably was more athletic then any play we had on our D last year. I can't believe this guy was a waiver wire pickup off the Raven practice squad, Wow!
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30 minutes ago, FalseStart said:
1a. Barnett DE
1b. Foster ILB
1c. Humphrey CB
1d. Peppers S
1e. Hooker/Lattimore S/CB.
If Hooker falls to us @ 15 that would be crazy! Dude is a ball-hawk and could create a lot of extra possessions for our offense
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8 hours ago, MightyLucks said:
Bet we sign Zach Brown too. Spence is being brought in for competition.
Bet you we don't sign Zach Brown
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6 hours ago, Nesjan3 said:
4: Jaguars- If the Browns and Chargers didnt exist possibly the saddest franchise in NFl lore, they also seem to win as many free agency periods as they do games, but with the addition of Coughlin and bringing in some new coaches, a lot of new talent to go with the high defensive picks they have had over the last few years. On paper the D is downright scary, yet they manage to still lose games. I wont believe it till i see it , but they have made a lot of moves the last 2 seasons. IMO still the weakest team in the division, but with the potential to be scary.
3: Colts- Yes i believe we are the third most talented team in the division. Optimism is in the air with the much anticipated firing of Grigs, CB brings a new hope of good things to come. We have Luck who is easily the best QB in the division and IMO top 5 in the league, but the rest of the roster outside of a few select players is substantially below the league standard, especially on defense. Luck gives us the potential to beat anyone, but that D has, can and will lose games for us until it gets fixed. Heres to CB bringing us back to the top.
2: Titans- This offense along with the Falcons was far and away the most potent in the league during certain times last season, i didnt do the research but if i remember correctly they scored over 40 3 games in a row and avg over 30 for the season. Mariota is no joke especially with that running game, imagine if they had a couple name brand receivers. Defense has been solid enough, this team scares me the most because of their potential to be so explosive.
1: Texans- Pretty much most people dub them a superbowl contender hands down if they could find a full time QB who can put up more than 14 points a game. Enough sayd there D is sick and i dont like them so im not going to write about them, cant wait to reclaim the divison.
I like the thread man but dont just make up facts that are not true. If the Texans don't find a QB then I think the Titans have the overall best put together team in the AFC South. As for those false facts, the Titans only scored above 40 once in 2016 not 3 games in a row and only averaged about 25 points/game which is not bad but not 30.
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6 hours ago, crazycolt1 said:
This is the wrong thread to be having a debate about what you are talking about.
You don't seem to comprehend what the original intent of the thread was meant to be. It's about the Colts, not the Jags.
No I understand the original intent of the thread and as the rest of the AFC South has gotten better the Colts have not which will hurt our playoff chances for a Super Bowl run with Luck, hence wasting away Luck's Career. I'm just looking at it from a different view point then what you are.
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3 minutes ago, VocableLoki said:
I don't think Pagano stating that is an excuse, just a fact. Ballard used that line in his introductory press conference, it's used often and is a simple statement of fact. It's not a mistake that the same teams win, but that doesn't make it any less difficult. Everyone lauds the Patriots, rightfully so, but look at their margin of victory in Super Bowl wins. It is incredibly difficult to win any one game.
I'm reading that your argument essentially is that we haven't had the right mentality about winning and that has lead to us "wasting Luck's career," given that is the topic of the thread. This doesn't add up to me, if anything, we were too aggressive in chasing immediate success and didn't spend enough time developing the full roster.
That is a very valid point to and I agree with that statement but even the immediate success didn't get us very fair in the the end. All I want are faster starts and to not let up if we get an early lead on a team mentality wise.
And as far as the margin of victory in the Super Bowl wins and losses by the Patriots, well isn't that what the Super Bowl is supposed to provide the fans. The two best teams battling it out to find out who the better team is that Sunday. Going back to 1995 there have been only 10 Super Bowl games that have been decided by double digits or more after 1995 you get into a long string of really crappy Super Bowl games:/
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1 minute ago, VocableLoki said:
Boiling down what Campbell said essentially equates to "it is hard to win in the NFL." That quote is also used by literally every coach in the league (http://www.patriots.com/audio/2016/11/28/bill-belichick-1128-its-hard-win-league) so that is not a reflection on our team.
But the really good teams don't let that be an excuse, where Pagano I think uses it way to much especially in the last two years. He also said he doesn't "believe its a mistake that the same teams always win" never stating any teams but one can only assume he is talking about New England, Green Bay, Seattle, Pittsburgh, the Colts for a number of years. That all comes down to how they draft, handle free agency, prepare for games, etc. Pagano and Co. with Grigson didn't always do the best of this stuff and we got away with it early in Lucks career but now the past has caught up with us as the Titans, Texans, and yes even the Jags are starting to form respectable football teams. People view this Division as a push over or an easy win where I don't necessarily see that anymore. Might not be the AFC West tough but it isn't the AFC South softness of the past.
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3 minutes ago, crazycolt1 said:
So I am being closed minded with facts? OK, have it your way.
What facts have you brought other then stating record comparison? Since 2012 the colts have had 38 draft picks. 16 on the D and 22 on the O. Out of the 16 defensive players 6 of them are still on the team, 5 pending on what we do with Parry, that's great talent we occurred to build a champion style D. 7 or 8 of them never even made one start for us and only appeared on average in 5 games/player. The O-line has seen its fair share of players come in and go to only have 3/5 of it is figured out, all on the left side. We continue to have bust after bust 1st round draft picks that don't produce, the same can be said in FA's in overpaying marginal players or guys that have never seen the field due to injuries or players that are old slow and past their prime. Again a head coach that I think is slightly above average, but is heavily carried by his QB who also carries and sometimes drags down this team himself. Our team has been poorly managed and coached and just bc our division rivals haven't put it all together yet but right now have more overall potential makes be believe that we have wasted Lucks early career bc this was known as the easy division. All three of the other teams in the AFC South have built better teams then the Colts. The Texans have a number one D and the Jags have the sixth overall D, you improve the QB play on both teams and they are contending for the playoffs, same with the Titans who made a huge leap last year and I expect another leap this year. What did we have oh ya a 30th overall D, with the best overall offense in the AFC South but the if Luck gets injured we would be lucky to hold our head above water. The majority of the people inside this fan base are just to scared to admit that the other teams in the South are closing the gap or have closed the gap between them and the Colts.
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19 minutes ago, 2006Coltsbestever said:
So Campbell thinks the Jags have a winning culture and we don't, that is just crazy. They stink every season and have no QB. We have been one of the best franchises of the last 2 decades.
I think Campbell see them as a team on the rise and he wants to be a foundational piece to bring that winning culture to the team. Its a gamble on his part that may or may not win for him. Never once did he say that he doesn't Colts don't have s long history of winning.
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8 minutes ago, crazycolt1 said:
We go 8-8 after going three 11-5 seasons and you bring the Jags into the picture about what they have done?
An 8-8 season does not bring the doom and gloom of what the Jags have been since the Colts joined the AFC south. Sorry, they do not relate.
Well they kicked our butts the last two years and built a better D then what the Colts have built, just because their success hasn't been as good as our record doesn't mean they aren't getting better overall as a team. Watch them compete this year. It wouldn't surprise me if every team in the AFC South has the same division record next year with everyone splitting games with everyone even though I know that probably wouldn't happen.
Anyways dude its my opinion that it relates to the topic, and its your opinion that it doesn't, but I feel like I made a valid points in my reasoning why it does where you really haven't besides being closed minded in how you look at something.
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12 minutes ago, 2006Coltsbestever said:
Jags will be lucky if they even go 8-8
. They suck.
Yet we went 8-8 the past two years...
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1 minute ago, crazycolt1 said:
I read your comment and the link you provided and never seen any relation to Luck and the Colts.
While I think your subject is worth reading it really has nothing to do with the Colts and if they are wasting his career. After 'reading between the lines" I still don't see the relation to the topic.
The relationship to this topic is in a viewpoint from "Winning" from a head coach perspective and a now rival player and "building a team" around Luck versus what other teams have done in the same time period since we drafted Luck. The article doesn't not state anything about the Colts or Luck but in MY opinion as we failed to build the team when the other teams in the AFC South have and this culture of winning is hard in the NFL that Pagano has brought to the Colts is wasting away lucks career. To many games under Pagano we have not been prepared by came out flat in the first half and get in a huge hole having to play comeback football or coast in the second half to loose a lead. In Campbells first quote he talks about that type of prep and how he wants to bring that to the Jags. As not having a coaching staff with the same philosophy (or maybe they do IDK) I feel it is valid to the related topic.
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Just now, crazycolt1 said:
Is this on topic?
I guess what I was trying to point out with the "Its hard to win in the NFL" mentality I view this as wasting away lucks career. Also as the Colts fail to build a D and just overall fail to put talent on both sides of the ball around luck I would say yes, yes it is on topic. Just have to read more between the lines, that's all.
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This is an interesting quote from Calais Campbell in an interview he did with why he went with the Jags. I want to point out his view on winning versus Pagano's view on "its hard to win football games in the NFL." How many times have we heard him say that since he became the head coach?? Any ways here it is. Also I'm gonna add in how he see the Jags and why we should not rule them out to compete in the AFC South and why I believe the AFC South isn't the weak division in the NFL anymore as the Jags and Titans are both increasing the talent.
KLEMKO: How does a team go from winning free agency and making a big splash in the spring to winning games in the fall?
CAMPBELL: To be a winner in the NFL, it’s about the way you prepare, the way you work. There’s a formula to it and it’s not hard; you’re going to lose games, but can you win the close games? Most of your season is made up of games that could go either way. That’s where you have to be prepared for any situation, and you have to execute. I don’t think it’s a mistake that the same teams always win. They have a belief that no matter what happens in a game, they’re not out of it. And they know not to relax when they’re winning. Couch Coughlin knows how to win. Coach Marrone has the right mind-set, and he’s someone I’m excited to play for. This team is so young, you can teach them how to win.
KLEMKO: Chris Harris and a couple other guys tweeted out some criticism after your decision, suggesting you didn’t want to win a Super Bowl. Did you see that?
CAMPBELL: I did. Everybody’s got their own opinion. I feel like the rest of the world doesn’t see Jacksonville the way I do. I think Jacksonville’s close. They lose 10 games last year by one score. I know how it goes with one-score games. We’re 13-3 in Arizona a year ago and won all those close games. Jacksonville is right there. We just have to find a way to win those games. They had the sixth overall defense last year and improved. Now we can get tighter, get some turnovers, and it’s a whole different ballgame.
Here is the full interview, its interesting and worth the read: http://mmqb.si.com/2017/03/15/calais-campbell-jacksonville-jaguars-nfl-free-agency-signing
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10 minutes ago, Chucklez said:
This post is ridiculous.
Maybe... Maybe not its just a different perspective on it. Either way actual full seasons with Pagano as the HC he went 11-5, 11-5, 8-8, 8-8 with a 3-3 playoff record. The dude is consistent none the least. I just can't give him credit for 2012 when I feel like that year should be credited towards BA.
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3 minutes ago, richard pallo said:
I don't really care. We get our starting NT and more picks in the top rounds; 2-2's. 2-3's, 4-4's. to trade back up or acquire players. We need quality players and that's where you find them. Fill a need and acquire more picks. Sounds like a good plan to me. I worry about our roster not theirs.
Ya well guess what in this scenario so do the pats. Its just asinine in my opinion, I get your thought process behind it but its extremely flawed. You have to look at the way bigger picture with more then one team in this entire trade proposal with all 4 teams involved. And you as the OP at least put some thought into the other teams rosters, just not ours when you you made this trade proposal so don't start with the "I worry about our roster not theirs" nonsense.
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17 hours ago, DougDew said:
So Ballard is churning stop gap guys for different stop gap guys. Why does that deserve praise?
Grigson got dragged under the bus the moment he signed Walden. Got beat up for signing McGlynn (remember McGoo?), then not cutting him, despite having no salary cap with which to find an adequate starter or replacement.
Grigson got rid of guys that were terribly overpaid like Clark and Brackett whereas Ballard is simply churning the backup positions so far. The only guy Ballard got rid of that Grigson wouldn't have is DA. All others either retired or Grigson likey would have gotten rid of himself.....drafted Green and Geathers to replace Adams and DQs contract was always suspect. Replacing Kerr with Hunt is no big deal. Cole restructured after last season, indicating he was no favorite of Grigson.
There is no reasonable reason why Ballard should be praised at this point for doing anything that we assume Grigson would not have done, or wouldn't have been addressed via retirements.
Its what I said before. People have made up their minds...then will look for facts to validate it and ignore the facts that don't. Right now ballard is liked....simply because he isn't Grigson....so people will look to his signings as being factually different than Grigson's in order to validate their "like" for Ballard...when the churning of stop gap players for different stop gap players doesn't warrant it.
Check with me three years from now to see how his draft picks do, then there might be some basis for liking Ballard more than Grigson
The difference between Grigson's stop gap players and Ballard's stop gap players is that Grigson overpaid for them signing them as proven vets where as Ballard is only signing them to what their actual worth is. That is why the Walden signing was looked down on and guess what he wasn't a stop gap he played his contract out.
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23 hours ago, Coffeedrinker said:
It's not really a GMs job to have an eye for talent. It's a GMs job to work with the coaches and coordinators and determine what traits and attributes they want in a player, then rank those items in order of importance, then have a system for grading those attributes, then being able to teach that system to the scouts so the scouts can accurate assign number values to those attributes, then evaluate and backcheck the scouts to make sure they are implementing and applying his system correctly.
Whether or not he is good at all that remains to be seen.
Then we are in trouble bc either our scouting has sucked from the previous years or there was a break in communication between the coaches/coordinators, GM, and scouts and what we were looking for with traits and attributes in any given player, or all of they above.
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21 hours ago, richard pallo said:
I would trade a second for Trumaine Johnson. If we don't sign Poe or Hankins I would trade our 1st. to the Browns for Dan Shelton their starting NT and their 2nd. and 3rd. Then they could trade two 1st's, and not the no.1 overall, to the Pats for Garapolo.
20 hours ago, jshipp23 said:I would have them on the phone ASAP! Love the idea of extra picks in 2nd and 3rd in this deep draft..Shelton would basically be our 1st rd pick....Id almost rather do this than sign Poe...
19 hours ago, richard pallo said:Me too actually.
Are you all crazy with this??? If we go this route you are basically giving the Pats 2 first round draft picks and then if the Saints get "Drafted Dayed" by the Pats by getting their 32nd overall pick back from the Cooks deal with the Butler deal they would have 3 FIRST ROUND PICKS PEOPLE!!!!
18 hours ago, chad72 said:I think the Saints will give the Patriots their original
up their secondfirst round pick #32 overall back for Butlerand might be seeing if the Patriots will take it. Patriots, unless the Browns are suckers, will not have a first or second round pick and the Saints know that their low second rounder may work in this case. -
18 hours ago, Chucklez said:
Hi! I'm the poster he quoted!
The fact that it is an unfair expectation doesnt matter. This is the NFL we are talking about. Pagano has had 5 previous seasons to prove his abilities... and he did in 2012, 13 and 14, taking over an arguably worse roster than the one he has now.... It wouldnt have been fair to expect him to make that team go 11-5 and even make the playoffs... but he did. Now he has a true Veteran in Luck at QB and an offense that should be good to go. Work that D (which is supposed to be his specialty) and get us there, or face the music....
Maaayyybe expecting AFCCG was a bit of an overstatement, but this team needs to show some serious improvement under Pags, especially on that D side of the ball... or he is out. Playoffs and a team that looks like it has turned that defensive corner or bust i think....Lets all be honest Pagano didn't Coach the 2012 season all those wins beside what 2 came from BA. In my mind the 2012 season has an * next to it and Pagano has two different records 2012-2016* record (49-31*) 61.25 winning%* and then a 2013-2016 record (38-26) 59.38 winning% which is his real sample as how good of a head coach he is.
This is without playoffs. Include those games you get 2012 (49-32*) 60.49 winning% and (41-28) 59.42 winning%. So we are looking at a 1.07-1.87 difference in winning%.
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Watching the game film he never popped off the screen. Made a nice play here and there but I don't think its anything to waste a draft pick on unless you want to add him to the list of Grigson's "never was"
. They suck.
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I just watched some videos on Rasul Douglas on Draft Breakdown and on first impression I would like to think that we could find a better corner in the draft. He made some nice plays but he is easily blocked by wr's and doesn't always engage in contact which leads to big plays bc he doesn't make a tackle when in position. I wanted to watch video on Anzalone but draft breakdown didn't have any video on him.