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6 minutes ago, DougDew said:
I wouldn't say injuries to the receiving corps, I'd say quality of it regardless of injury. As I've mentioned in other threads, the only receiving corps injury that matters is TY. The revolving door of other receivers getting PT is just rearranging the chairs on the Titanic.
That's not an excuse. But its something to evaluate when looking at stats.
I agree that the quality of the receiving corps is poor. But, for the recent Colts, it's on par.
Aside from T.Y. Luck had success with guys like Whalen, Brazil, Dorsett, Moncrief, Hey-Bay, and last year'r crew, which included Ryan Grant, Chester Rogers, Pascal, Marcus Johnson, and Fountain.
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6 minutes ago, DougDew said:
I guess we're going to beat this horse to death in multiple threads. Just to summarize comments:
1) JB is obviously conservative or lacks confidence in his ability to throw longer, perhaps knowing he's not good at it.
2) Within those stats, what teams also had quality receiving options? I would bet that if there was an informed ranking of the NFL's "best" receiving squad....measured by the players who have actually played and not just rostered (accounting for TYs absence) I would wager that the Colts receiving corps would rank in the 30's, if not dead last. You can blame the ranking on the QB, but whatever judgmental method there is to measure receivers, I'd bet the Colts would be judged very low.
3) Most of the QBs ranked high on that list are experienced NFL QBs. We'd have to look closer as to why Minshew and Murray rank highly, but it probably has to do with circumstances.
4) On the bottom of that list, JB seems to be in good company with some very good QBs that a lot of teams would want.
5) The first 8 games had a quick short passing game. Since TY's, JB's, and Mack's injuries, it has become more sluggish.
6). Reich's old team, Wentz/Philly, is not ranked highly. There may simply be a philosophical bent towards favoring a ball control possession passing game and not a chunk/quick scoring passing game, along with its risks of incompletions and loosing possession of the ball by punting.
I think both scenarios are true:
1. JB is a safe, conservative, QB. He has not shown the ability to throw intermediate and deep with regular success.
2. The receiving corps has been decimated by injuries.
IMO, #1 is still an issue, regardless of #2. JB started the season with a healthy receiving corps and displayed the same tendencies, averaging 6.6 YPC.
The receiving corps being injured, no doubt, has been a hindrance and clouds the evaluation process for JB. Nonetheless, in my mind, it's pretty clear who JB is by now.
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Philip Walker was also shifty and elusive while in college, but a much better passer.
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16 minutes ago, csmopar said:
I'm not surprised. Not only due to his own faults and the playcalling but with missing the top 6 WRs on the depth chart, all i can say is duh
Imagine you're Reich and you've spent half of the season calling plays with receivers at different levels -- deep, intermediate, and short, and Brissett repeatedly throws short.
Do you continue calling those plays, or decide to play to Jacoby's strength -- short passing game. Not a quick short passing game, just a short passing game where Jacoby takes forever to decide what he wants to do, and then dumps it off late to the RB.
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47 minutes ago, DougDew said:
Does anybody think that either the Falcons or Lions are getting tired enough of their QBs that simply one second round pick would do it, including us taking on their contract?
How would Ryan or Stafford perform with our oline and running game?
The Raiders will have 2 first round picks, (Mack trade with Chicago) and I am hearing rumblings that they may move on from Derek Carr. They really like Carr, but are not in love with Carr and if there's a QB that they like better in the draft....
I think D. Carr would be a good option, if he becomes available.
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12 hours ago, blackcoffeeguy said:
This makes me go hmmm. If this really happened then why would you wait for over a year to sue? I think the guy might just be fishing for some money.
Do you think it really happened? Supposedly, there are witnesses. I don't doubt for a second that it did happen, but that's my personal take on it.
Put yourself in the other guy's situation. You get beat up randomly, and for no reason, by some drunk cocky football player. You wouldn't want to sue him for as much as possible?
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13 hours ago, esmort said:
It may happen that Kelly gets no playing time this season ... if he doesn't (after we are eliminated) I will begin to question Reich/Ballards judgement. What do they have to lose by starting Kelly to see how he plays in real games once we are out of playoff contention? If he falls on his face ... fine ... cut him, at least we will know what we have. I just really don't see the downside to letting him play in a couple games at the end of the season.
If we are out of playoff contention we would have some options:
1) Continue with JB, who is the starting QB on this team and looked upon as a leader, and provide him with more playing time to learn and develop in a real-game setting. Get him ready for next year.
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2) Give the 3rd string QB a chance to play.
I wouldn't question Reich or Ballard if they went with option #1 for now, but truly evaluated JB vs. Kelly during the off season and preseason next year, if they felt Kelly could be a legitimate NFL QB (more than just talent, has to be the face of a franchise type of guy).
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11 minutes ago, bhougland said:
I don't know if the int was his fault, but was on his trailing breast plate. I wouldn't however call that well behind. more often than not you should come up with that as a receiver.
I think we respectfully disagree here, and that's alright on a fan forum.
The ball was on his trailing breast plate, as you've mentioned, and that is usually a catch-able ball. I would argue that the receiver slowed down his route and the ball was still a bit behind (trailing breast plate). The ball should have been out in front of the receiver who was running on out route.
Since the ball was on the trailing breast plate, it allowed the defender to get a hand on the ball. This would not have happened if the ball was out in front of the TE.
Nonetheless, I think we agree on everything else that we see from Chad Kelly.
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Watched the video. Definitely over the top.
The guy is praising Chad Kelly non-stop, even while he's getting sacked.
Chad Kelley throws a pick-6 and the guy says, "That's not Chad Kelly's fault" although the replay clearly shows that the ball was thrown well behind the intended receiver, so that the defender could get a hand on the ball, causing the INT.
But, Chad Kelly does show more talent than JB. He goes through his reads, finds the open receiver and fires it in.
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13 hours ago, Ratking said:
I agree. Lucks winning percentage is actually pretty decent.
I just don't think many non Colts fans view luck as the best or 2nd best of his generation.
From a non-Colts perspective, many believe that Luck was overrated. He was over-hyped coming out of college and wasn't at the level of Brady or Manning when he played.
So what did Luck actually do?
1. He joined a team with only 2 wins the previous year. A realistic expectation was that the Colts would slowly improve. He led a talent deprived (horrible O-line, no run game, no defense) team to the playoffs. On the way to the playoffs, he set the NFL record for most passing yards by a rookie QB. He set the NFL record for most come-back wins in a season. And he set the NFL record for most passing yards in a single game (vs. Dolphins). Yet, people will say that Luck does not have a good post-season record, without acknowledging that the Colts had no business being there in the first place. It was Luck who dragged them there.
2. In his first three years, Luck has thrown for the most TD passes in NFL history of any QB within their first 3 years. He was clearly showing that he was "generational".
3. In 2014, he once again led a talent-less team to the playoffs, making it to the AFC Championship game. The KC game will be remembered as one of the greatest comebacks of all-time.
And then the injuries started to pile up.
Unfortunately, all Grigson did was write "protect Luck" on a sticky note and did absolutely nothing else.
To reach "Manning and Brady" level, you need an entire career. Luck, as a rookie, was compared to Manning and Brady who were in their prime. That's an unfair comparison. When comparing Luck to Manning and Brady in their first few years in the league, Luck was there with them statistically.
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A lot can happen between now and next season:
1. Luck will have had enough time with his new born daughter to feel like he can get back to training. Things would have settled down and the family would be in a daily routine.
2. Luck will have had enough time to fully rest up and get healthy.
3. Luck is very mindful of others, especially his friends. He would not attempt a come back if Jacoby was doing well. But Jacoby has struggled and Luck may realize that they need him.
4. Luck has to realize that the opportunity to return and play on a team with a solid O-line, great run game, and a solid defense is something he never had during his time with the Colts. This could be a great opportunity for a legitimate shot at the Superbowl. (This year's team could've been a serious contender with Luck).
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5 minutes ago, MPStack said:
Cam is and always was a horrible QB.
Agreed. He is the prototypical "Take away his running ability and what are you left with?" QB.
You're left with a poor pocket passer, who is more likely now to get frustrated, (without his mobility) and blame others (diva QB).
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It really doesn't matter if we, as fans, give up or not. What matters is how the team plays the next few games.
They know that they still have a shot at the playoffs. Let's see how they come out an play.
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35 minutes ago, JimJaime said:
Hmm I can see that! I found the 5th spot very hard to fill. Can I ask why you feel he is better? (No wrong answers lol all our opinions)
I think Dak is having the better 2019.
But overall, I think that Wentz is more accurate and more able to make the routine timing throws from the pocket, which usually translate to more consistency over the course of a career.
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I'd take Wentz over Prescott.
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If you look at teams that made it far into the playoffs with an average QB, or even to the Superbowl with an average QB (Dilfer, Flacco, Grossman), the common denominator was a dominant defense.
Our defense right now is cute. It's good, but not imposing; Not manhandling people. Not dominant. Not taking away the ball nearly enough.
If we stick with the likes of JB, we will need the 2017 version of the Jags defense, or the Broncos defense with Manning.
We're a long ways away.
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There is such a thing as chemistry between a QB and receiver. And for whatever reason, Luck and Inman had it.
I doubt it's because Inman is such a good receiver. I think he's okay/good. But he was able to gain Luck's trust and made plays when called upon. Not sure it would happen with JB.
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8 minutes ago, JimJaime said:
Had a drop by Hilton that hurt at the end of the game.. two passes to him were perfect and he just failed make the catch.. it happens!
I agree that Hilton had two drops.
I think the throw on the out route was late, and behind. Hilton came out of his break, was open for a second, and had to slow down his route, allowing the defender to tip the ball. It was still catchable, (difficult to catch) but we’ve seen TY make those in the past.
The back-shoulder pass was very good. TY didn’t catch it cleanly on initial contact and that allowed the DB to make a play on the ball. That was a drop by TY on a good pass by JB.
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4 minutes ago, csmopar said:
my guess is unless we're officially out of it, no way we will see Kelly unless someone is hurt. Honestly, I'm not sure he's the answer either
Whenever you have a team with an average or below average QB, the back up is always the most popular guy. And usually, that only lasts until the back up gets his shot and shows why he’s the backup. I’d expect the same with Kelly.
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Brissett makes Alex Smith look like a gunslinger.
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1 minute ago, Moosejawcolt said:
And for all u people who say our wrs suck. What has happened to the tight end involvement in this offence? People on this board were saying that we had the best tight end group in the NFL. All of a sudden they can't get open or have become obsolete?!?!? Doesn't male sense...
Brisett is no Luck.
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Just now, richard pallo said:
Reich cost us this one.
Kinda hard to put this on Reich when you have a QB that refuses to throw more than 5-yards down field.
Brisett: 129 yards with 2:00 left in the 4th.
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1 minute ago, bestQBever said:
Brissett is the definition of a stop gap game manager. he’s a poor mans alex smith.We need to find our guy.
He’s a safer, more conservative version of Alex Smith. That’s saying something!
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Man I miss having a QB that can throw downfield.
Are we basically the jags when they had leftwich?
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As far as talent is concerned, on offense, we have a good O-line, led by Q. Nelson, AC, Kelly and B. Smith. Doyle at TE is good, and that's about it really on offense.
T.Y. has had a below average year for a starting WR. I think his star is fading (back-to-back years of missing games due to injury). Our RB corps. with Mack is good when he's healthy, which is the problem.
On defense, we have D. Leonard. Done with that side of the ball.
We are far from being a talented team.
Here's a talented team: - Manning, E. James, Marvin Harrison, Reggie Wayne, Dallas Clark, Marcus Pollard, Ryan Diem, Tarik Glenn, Jeff Saturday, Jake Scott, R. Lilja.
Defense: Dwight Freeney, Robert Mathis, Gary Brackett, Antoine Bethea, Bob Sanders.