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Who cares what a bunch of stupid gamblers think. The Packers are overated and Aaron Rodgers numbers are way over inflated. The Packers give him time to throw and they are the best play action team in the NFL. Not to mention he's got a top 3 WR corps, maybe the best in the NFL right now.
You mean the same sort of stuff Manning's had most of his career? You could not have made a very bad argument in a more ridiculous manner if you tried it a million times.
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People who don't like Bob are generally the 'homer' type who just don't like to read negative stuff about their team. His articles are some of the first I reach for, because they are objective and not clouded by loyalty. Sure, sometimes his stuff is ridiculous, but he's no different from any other pundit. His line about the Jags only running for 375 yards due to the end zone getting in the way still lives with me to this day.
Calling him a cancer is verging on being criminal.
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Thank you Fvantagio, that is what I am saying. Peyton has a few more years in him. If anyone can remember so far back as a few year ago everyone was thinking that Tom Brady might not play again because of his torn ACL. Infact he came back even stronger. Lets not forget that these players have the top doctors in the world to work with. If he was so bad that he wont play again, it would have been leaked by now. Peyton will play a few more years. Its up to the Colts to decide if its with them or someone else. This happened for Montana. Lets not forget that. He had a bad injury and the Niners traded him to the Chiefs. Remeber that Montana was great for the Chiefs his last few years.
Were you one of the thousands who said he would be ready for week one?
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I have been viewing this forum for the past few years, however this is my first post to the forum like all colts fans I'm angry at the state of the team, to put that in the nicest way. I am in no way, shape, or form a fan of the way the Polian(s) have drafted since 2006, however I have a simply question for everyone calling for their heads. How many of you have the slightest idea how to evaluate talent? How to account for injuries that no one can predict or saw coming? It's easy to be a fan you wake up on Sunday's you go to the stadium or turn on the T.V. and you watch a football game. This team has consistently won games through the past decade and has qualified for the playoffs every year since Peyton's arrival except 1998,2001, and 2011. What I've noticed is this consistent success has spoiled it's fan base and SOME colt's fans are the biggest babies, it's almost embarrassing to be a colt's fan to be grouped together with the biggest bunch of whiners EVER. Does anyone have the slightest clue how hard it is to build a team, that keeps winning year in and year out? I'm going to share my observation of the 2011 team by position/unit:
1. QB- Manning's done for the year, when I heard that my first thought was no playoffs lost season. Painter sucks no major secret there he's an inaccurate qb playing in one of the league's most complicated offense. With that said is anyone truly surprised at his play he was drafted towards the bottom of the 6th Round, he was suppose to hold the clipboard after Sorgi left. He was NEVER suppose to play, because guess who ONLY missed a meaningful snap before 2011.
2. O-Line a work in progress that showed a little bit of promise before being decimated by injury, has everyone forgotten that Jeff has been the only constant on the O-line All season. A healthy Peyton could still be effective behind the line.
3. WR/TE this group has suffered the most from Peyton's injury, with the exception of a aging BUT still dangerous Wayne, nice young core of talent that can be explosive.
4. D-line Freeney and Mathis still very effect against the pass won't really need to be replaced for a few more years depending on production, nice promise in Nevis meaning this group only needs that elusive run-stopping DT.
5. LB corp as much as a like Brackett Angerer's play has made him expendable next year, and Conner's play has made up for letting Session's leave ( though it would've been great to have Angerer, Conner, and Session)
6. Secondary excluding Bethea there is no excuse for the unit that takes the field, however as a bright spot I do like the promise of the Thomas and Powers combo who in a more aggressive defensive scheme could be pretty good in time. SS is an immediate draft need to being the stability to the secondary.
7. ST this is a coaching mistake using mostly 2nd and 3rd stringers on coverage will continue to plague this unit, I believe a more aggressive coaching staff who would use more of the defensive starters could help vastly improve this unit asap. Like the Bears do, and like Dungy had the good sense to do during the 2006 playoffs when the unit was very good. Nothing but good things to say about Vinatieri and McAfee sadly the only positive unit on the team this year
Honestly bash the defense as much as you want because they deserve it but if Painter could actually move the ball the defense wouldn't be on the field the majority of the game. I mean Painter's first 2 games he was actually good then for whatever reason ( I strongly suspect O-Line injuries) he regressed, Painter was decent against good defenses when he actually had time to throw. I mean actually pay attention to a game the pocket is Always collapsing on him and he panics like all inexperienced qb's and makes a stupid mistake, gets sacked, or throws an incomplete pass. It's clear just watching games that the players have quit on this coaching staff and the world sees it ever time the colts take the field. Which brings me to the next section of this rant.
Coaching staff
HC Caldwell when he was promoted in 2009 I had faith that the FO knew that this guy could help make the Dungy transition smooth, obviously that was a huge mistake, I could waste time listing his shortcomings but you all know them so moving on. OC Christensen I hated this promotion from day 1 he was a no name receivers coach who was promoted after the Moore/Mudd scandal, because anyone who doesn't suspect foul play in their "retirements" is a fool. In fact at the 2010 training camp Peyton said and I quote " This guy can't be my coordinator I know MORE than him". DC Coyer I loved his aggressive style in 2009 and I strongly believe with a healthier secondary he brings more pressure than he has in 2010-11 though I won't shed a tear when he leaves. ST Rychleski refer to earlier comments, I heard great things about him when he was hired on though I think he doesn't push hard enough for better talent to be used in his unit.
Front Office (specifically the Polian(s) Bill built a solid team for a decade then for whatever reason fell off after 2006 draft and from how it's been told Chris's rise in the ranks from 2006 till current position. The Colts have had one of the leagues best FO's for years the envy of all the league but a few teams until recently so ask yourself. With Bill's track record and Chris learning under him why would Irsay walk away from the family that has helped make him Millions more ( in a small market I remind you) all these years for a few bad drafts? He's not is the short answer we have a owner who has shown that he doesn't like too much change when things have been going great (minus post-season success). I mean think about it Peyton's been in the same offensive system since he's been in the league that's very rare and the colts over the years have had one of the lowest CS/FO turnover rates in the league. Irsay clearly lives by the motto if it ain't broke don't fix/improve it, he DOESN'T like change when things are working. We can all agree that Irsay is a smart man to be in his position ( although weird at times) we have to trust that he isn't going to let his cash cow/team go through years of sub standard performance.
As far as Peyton's successor goes a year this bad was coming sooner or later with how the team was built that's for sure. And for THOSE "fans" who suggested trading or releasing a HEALTHY Manning for a college qb you are an * and should be ASHAMED to refer to yourselves as a colts fan. With everything Peyton has done for this team it's disgraceful to see all the talk for a JUNIOR qb in college, I mean people act as if this is the only chance the colts will ever get at finding a qb for the future. Peyton IS the G.O.A.T and deserves to retire a COLT and ONLY a COLT if he so wishes he's earned that right and I for one am glad to have a owner who understands and has said those words. So until we know for sure that Peyton is done show some respect and loyalty to the G.O.A.T because the passing clinic that he has put on through-out his career is sadly coming to a close.
To finally wrap this rant up this is the 3rd bad season in the last 14 years deal with it and stop crying about the season the team doesn't have a shot at the playoffs, and everyone knew that early on that makes it a bad year PERIOD. Show a little support by keeping the negative comments to yourselves there not accomplishing anything but making ALL colts fan look like babies. We all have eyes any * sees the problems this team has, but this team WILL regain it's rightful spot at the top of the league so take comfort in knowing that which ever team wins the division crown this year is just keeping it warm for the colts next year
I really do hope this is your first and LAST post.
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The best QB was the one who, despite having no support from a defense that gave up 31 points in 3 quarters, still lead to us to the redzone and a chance to win with just seconds to go. All without Clark, Collie, Addai, or three starting linemen. The INT was simply a phenomenal play by the defender. He took a risk to break off of his assignment, and made a leaping pick in front of an otherwise open Jacob Tamme.
Sorry Doogan. The game lasts 60 mins. Manning threw 3 INT's. Brady did what he had to. 87% completions, no INTs, 2 x TD's. 120+ rating. I'm sure the Pats missed some starters as well.
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Talk about a knee jerk response. Considering the fact that Lacey was an undrafted free agent who came out of nowhere to be a major asset as a rookie in 2009 - including starting 9 games, the AFC championship, and the Super Bowl, it is nothing less that bizarre to attribute his presence on the roster to Polian's ego. Lacey was an even less significant pickup than Trent when he was acquired. The fact that Trent is gone and Lacey is still here is likely an indication of their respective abilities, and nothing more.
A little more common sense and lot less blind hatred would nice.
My common sense says Lacey is gabage and should be cut. I judge with what I see on the field of play, not what he did or didn't do 2 years ago. Whether it is Polian's ego keeping him is purely speculation, but I can see why some would think that. And why some wouldn't. People can have opinions based on their own logic, it doesn't have to be down to hatred.....
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A common misconception. His risk is no more or less than any other player. IF he can recover the use of the damaged nerve, he should be as good (or better) than ever.
All we know is what the media is throwing at us. It isn't worth much. If the Colts from office evaluates him and decides that he his worth the number one pick, terrific. I'll support them as I always do. Unfortunately most people seem to be taking it as "fact" that Luck IS the next Elway or Manning, and basing all their conclusions off of that. We know nothing of the kind.
Every team lacks something at virtually every position. Rosters are updated on a continuous basis and churned virtually completely over the course of 5 years or so. While I'm all for trading the #1 pick and acquiring more young talent, I fundamentally disagree with your assessment of the roster. With Peyton I'm quite confident that we would be once again leading the division, and fighting for the number one overall seed. The fact that we have a horrific record signifies next to nothing other than that we are missing PM, and that the Oline is a work in progress (but improving rapidly), and the dbacks are too young (largely because of a flury of injuries) - both situations which Peyton could have overcome.
In short, while I agree with a lot of your premise, this really all comes down to Peyton's health on draft day. If he is "back", I say trade the pick and try to win as much as possible under Peyton's final contract. If he is seriously diminished, then you draft the best QB available and start rebuilding.
You are sadly delusional re our current roster. It flat out stinks (apart from a few gems), and is in serious need of repair. Our once great DE's have been worked out. Reggie is old and tired, Jeff is hanging on in there, but for how long, our RB corp is flat out average, and we have Bethea in the backfield. Garcon's average, Collie is a shadow of himself, and Clark looks done.
At least we can punt well.
We need way more than a Manning miracle to lift us beyond mediocrity next season.
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If i remember right his arm was bumped as he threw that last pick. Besides that, it was a team loss. i was just stating my opinion on what i saw that night. The comeback that he led us on was amazing. Tom did a good job. they had a great running game and he completed passes. but like i said...take away the picks and peyton made some unreal throws and plays! He was exciting to watch. Brady just looked ok, nothin fancy. To you the winner may be the best. But i was sittin in the 10th row and i know who i would rather have on my team. Again we both have our opinions and thats cool bro.
I would rather have 18 before 12 anytime as well, so we are fine. I just didn't like the sour grapes attitude - well that's how it came across. No excuses.....
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I would argue that most organizations build teams that gameplan around one player's strength. Hence the term "franchise" player. Those teams just take care to also draft back ups that mimic the star players' abilities. We can't do that because no one can successfully do what Manning does. A part of that is Peyton's fault, not the FO. He chooses to do things his way, and doesnt allow anyone else to delegate the practices.
What? So our management JUST let a player do what he wants? I'd imagine all players would like to do what they want. It's pathetic, no matter how good Peyton is (or was), that he is allowed to dictate. If it's true, then the main voice on here is correct. Dump the lot of the FO clowns. If it ain't true, well, your point is moot.
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Ok, so i open up todays paper and see an article by Bob that reads....Best options don't include Manning! well already i dont like the article before i even read it, but i read anyway. Let me say that i have followed Bob and his articles for many years. I have read some really good ones. He has made me laugh numerous times with his use of funny words. You can also tell he is pretty knowledgeable about sports. But to me, the bad he has done for indianapolis has outweighed the good. Todays article states how there is almost no way peyton and luck can exist on the same team....And i agree thats a possibility. But, its also possible that they can. I just get the feeling that Bob ALWAYS wants to be negative. I would bet while talking to Oliver Luck ,Bob was probably saying "you dont want your son to come to Indy , do ya...And have to sit behind Manning for years?" You can tell by his articles that he doesnt WANT good things to happen or workout! His article last week about the polians to me was a retaliation article or something. He didnt list any names of anyone that told him his info. Just that the Polians have ran all the good people out of town. It sounded to me like an article written about someone that he has disliking towards, rather than a factual article. Again, an article full of negativity. I remember going to New England last year for the pats/ colts game. Bob that day had written an article about how much better Brady was than Manning. I didnt agree with the article but whatever. That night in the stands, i had some patriots fans taunting me. The taunt that made me the maddest???.... "Even your Indianapolis sports writer says Brady kills Manning!" That didnt set well with me. I will never forget that. I thought brady looked pretty good that night. Nothing special. Just played it safe and made safe throws. Manning looked like a MACHINE that night! He made some unbelievable throws and was playing with a decimated team and inexperienced receivers. Take away the picks and it wasnt even close! I remember thinking...kravitz, your an *! Even though they picked us at the end and won the game, there was no question in my mind who the best QB on that field was! But im sure Kravitz loved that we lost to vindicate his article. so after again today reading his negative article about how there is no way Manning and Luck can exist together, Im tired of it! im tired of Bob's negativity. I think the "SEWER RAT" fits perfectly! Look, there is nothing wrong with writing factual articles that make people look bad or that are not always positive. But Bob has an agenda towards people! You can tell by reading his stuff that he likes to stick the knife in and rotate the blade. I dont know if he has "little man's" syndrome or what, but i wish he would go write somewhere else. To me he is a cancer for Indianapolis. This is just my opinion and im sure some people will disagree, but i felt like writing down what i have been feeling for a while.
Re the Pats game last year. Was the best QB the one that threw the game losing INT, or am I thinking of another game?
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and you obviously have trouble reading or understanding the OP's question.
He said from talent perspective, not wins.
Tebow has 0 talent. None. He is not even close to Painter.
OK, I understand the question now. Tebow has more talent. He helps his team win games. Painter helps his team lose theirs.
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I for one don't know why the OP fall into replying to dn4192 post because he has a zillion every day and they always say basically the same thing. This is just
in my opinion.Yep, well said. I've long since stopped responding directly to any of his posts.......now if everyone did the same....
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If it is a pointless article, does it then make this a pointless thead? Just askin'....
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I'd replace Caldwell with Cower immediately. Not due to any brilliant coaching prowess, but I'd rather look at anyone's mug rather than the listless, helpless, pathetic, clueless, boring defeatest face that belongs to Jim C.
We'd still lose mind you.
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2009/2011 roster starters
QB: Peyton Manning/Curtis Painter
RB: Joseph Addai/Joseph Addai
WR: Reggie Wayne/Reggie Wayne
WR: Pierre Garcon/Pierre Garcon
WR: Austin Collie/ Austin Collie
TE: Dallas Clark/Dallas Clark
LT: Charlie Johnson/Anthony Castonzo
LG: Ryan Lilja/Joe Reitz
C: Jeff Saturday/Jeff Saturday
RG: Kyle Devan/Ryan Diem
RT: Ryan Diem/Jeff Linkenbach
LE: Robert Mathis/Robert Mathis
DT: Antonio Johnson/Antonio Johnson
DT: Daniel Muir/Fili Moala
RE: Dwight Freeney/Dwight Freeney
OLB: Phillip Wheeler/Phillip Wheeler
MLB: Gary Brackett/Gary Brackett*, Pat Angerer
OLB: Clint Session/Kavell Conner
CB: Jacob Lacey/Jacob Lacey
CB: Jerraud Powers/Jerraud Powers
SS: Melvin Bullit/Melvin Bullitt*, David Caldwell
FS: Antoine Bethea/Antoine Bethea
14-2 vs 0-10
7/11 starters on offense (Manning injured, Lilja gone, Johnson gone, Devan gone)
9/11 starters on defense (Session gone, we still have Muir)
Not counting Manning we lost 3 O lineman and 1 LB.
If anything the line is much better this year in run blocking.
We also lost Hayden but he was injured for a short time. Powers and Lacey started most of the games at corner in 09.
This season Bullitt and Brackett are obviously injured. This is just surprising that we still have 14 out of 22 starters as of this week and 17 out of 22 starters still on the roster. (my math may be bad). The difference between 14-2 and a SB berth vs 0-10 is 3 o lineman, 1 LB and 1 Peyton Manning.
Whilst a nice post, and a good effort, it really doesn't tell us much. I bet the difference between 2009 (16-0*) and 2010 (10-6) wasnt due to major roster changes. Schedule, planning, coaching, backups, IR, lucky bounces, motivation, weather, other teams, drafting, rules, refereeing, bad decisions, penalties, suspensions, game planning, adjustments, timeouts........no season is the same. Manning coming back 100% guarantees nothing next season. Not even 8-8.
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Because people don't want to see it workout that way. They want some sort of major move
to happen so they can have a reason to whine and complain.people dont understand that this fanbase is very fical and some would rather see this team fail so they can say I told you so.
Who would rather see the team fail? Get off yer high horse, you are talking nonesense. You just make something up, throw it out there......
You look to be whining, actually....
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Question for you - how many teams does McNabb have to get cut, traded, or demoted from before the realization sets in that he is done? When he was at the top of his game, he was still throwing ducks at his receiver's feet on short dump off passes. Now? He is done.
I thought that one would tickle you. One of the worst suggestions on this board for a long time. If Manning is done, we draft a first rounder and take our chances. Maybe bringing in a half decent vet as back-up (although where we get one of those, I've no idea....)
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0-10. Caldwell and Coyer and co would have made sure......
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Based on what some of the media was saying last week I could easily see how people thought that is what he was going to say. The dude is just passing along news while it might just be a brainer for you doesn't mean it's that way for everyone else.
Like I said in another thread about this Polian stressed it had to be the right guy which to means a guy who understands he has to sit before he's going to play. If Luck is willing to do that look for Luck to be the pick. If Luck is not look for us to trade the pick and try for one of the other QBs who will sit. If none of them will look for us to trade the pick and draft to fill other needs.
This is all assuming Manning is healthy.
Not enough hypotheticals in that!
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This rebuke is comical coming from a Lion's fan. No offense dude, but don't come here lecturing us about this stuff. Many of us have seen plenty of down years previous to the Manning-era so we know how to get through this. If some of us choose to look at the draft as a silver lining to an abysmal season that is our perogative. No one is outright rooting for the Colts to lose. Has it occured to you that our Colts are trying but that they legitimately suck because of our medicre coaching staff and the fact that our front office put all our chips on the health of one franchise quarterback? What do you expect us fans to do about it? We are not on the field playing these games. We voice our concerns on forums like this and continue to support our Colts win or lose.
Your Lions have looked good this season but don't get too high and mighty. Colts fans have seen our team accomplish things in the past decade that as a Lions fan you have never experienced. So don't come up here fronting like you are more than 1 year removed from losing yourself.
Fab-u-lous. Very well said Coltsman.
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Is pathetic. Even before the Colts were 0-10 I felt this. Now it seems par for the course that everyone has conceded the season is a wash and they are content to end up with the #1 pick. I find that line of thinking to be a loser's mentality. As a naturally competitive person, I cannot fathom tanking games or not giving it my best effort on every play. It is unthinkable to me that the Colts are no longer putting forth their best effort week-in-week-out. If I were in a position in the Colts organization as a player or coach, and I felt certain folks had stopped giving it their best effort, I would be livid enough to induce a stroke!!
This extends to the fans, too. I've seen all kinds of 'Luck' memorabilia, signs, etc. It disgusts me. As a football fan, and a naturally competitive person, I would like nothing more than to see the Colts win every last one of the games they have left. Every. One.
If you are rooting for the #1 pick, you have a loser's mentality.
Who is this attack aimed at? The fans at the LOS. The posters on here? The Polians, Irsay, Coaches, players?
No matter what we as fans do (root for every yard, or hope to go 0-16), what is disgusting is how this team has been (un) prepared for Manning going down, and the stinking loser mentality of the FO and coaches.......and you should be annointed for being such a great fan.
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Because he fumbles....
If he's not going to use him when he should, he should be inactive. But we know our coaching is tripe, so not sure why we even bother commenting. But we do. You must really think we are coaching to lose now. There can be no other rationale explanation.
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Maybe it's just me, but the Offense look to have given up, especially Wayne.
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hey dude, no need to get snotty.
The brains / emotional comment was right on I thought. It wasn't meant to badger you. And I don't think your opinion has any less "value" than mine. They are just that, opinions.
It wasn't meant to disrespect you. In fact, you started it with the "yawn" thing.
Relax, I'm not out to get you. We can all have varying opinions and still get along. We're all right about some things and wrong about others. Only time will tell.
My point with the brains/emotion thing was just saying we need to try to keep the emotion we are dealing with out of the logical analysis necessary to look at the problems in a feasible and productive manner.
Emotion just clouds our perception of reality, in all aspects of life.
Relax, this season is bad enough without us turning on each other. I certainly mean you no harm.
Hang in there, change WILL come. Its inevitable.
Fair shout Wool. Let's move on. I've been on this forum for 6 years, and never been a fan of Bill, so it's not knee-jerk reaction, just that I really saw this coming. I know I can be a tad ungrateful, but it's only my smouldering opinion that we have mis-used Manning, who I really do think is the GOAT. And his time is running out, and what I see without him supports my belief that we have been very poor (FO wise) in the last five years. I really did despise the decision to bring in Chris as GM. I thought it reeked of the arrogance that Bill breathes.
Perhaps I'll choke back and concentrate on the field of play more.........
Go well.
in my opinion.
Colts Need To Go All-In With Manning Or Luck
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Show me the personal insult, and I will most definitely apologise, as no personal insult was intended.
And whilst you followed up with a very decent riposte re the roster, I still believe you are viewing it through your fingers. At some point we have to decide who our #1 WR is, and I don't see it being anyone on the team right now. We are all over the place re our TE's. We have no ready to go replacements for our DE's (please don't even mention Hughes), our O-Line is still a big ?, although I do have a feeling it could get really good. Angerer is good, no doubt, but I think Powers is overrated. Thomas must be your cousin or something (take that as a joke, not an insult). Nevis, too early to tell, but he could be a gem. Bethea is a superstar.
However, this is all moot if we don't ransack the coaching staff.