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Probably longer. When Ballard gives his presser, it will be “we’re going to evaluate.” and they will. Meaning- not just his performance, but what other options they have. my favorite mantra- grass is always greener…

too reminiscent of Carson Wentz lobbing overthrows against the raiders 2021… “just make the layups.”-Chris Ballard I would love to have been a fly on the wall next to Ballard and Irsay that last play. I wanna know what they looked like.

To be competitive- check To find out what this team was made of- check Accountability-check dreams Winning season- check Have a chance at division title- check My expectations went out the window when #5 went down. They overachieved. They gave me new reasons to be excited again. Disappointing for sure. Heart wrenching. So close.

Stroud could have thrown a 99 yard td to Nico Collins the very next play too could he not? rigo could have shanked it or punted it into the endzone. We can go on and on. Had a chance for points. Was inches from getting them. Would have been awfully nice.

Yeah. That’s one play to Nico Collins. Unless it’s 3rd and 35, then it’s worth more.

All-in-all, I stand by my long time stance that your team is only going as far as your qb takes you. For the Texans, cj stroud won them a division. For the 2023 Colts, we weren’t winning that game without throwing again. Just very little chance. They were putting the ball in Minshew’s hands and we took what they gave.

couldn’t you say he was trusting his defense to keep them out of fieldgoal range on a short field by taking the chance for points?

unless it’s 5 yards out of bounds, or not thrown at all…

But can he also drop a 4th and 1 pass? That’s the real question…

if we are using hindsight, then had he made it, we could have tied at the end instead of going for it on 4th and 1. He had just made a 50 plus yarder at the end of first half. It had the distance, just a few inches too far right. Steichen trusts his players. What else is he supposed to do?

it’s personnel. Nothing here is personal… 😀

My last post on the playcall. hindsight- it’s 20/20 vision. Everyone uses hindsight following plays and games. But hindsight doesn’t matter on a playcall, what matters is logic. Shane Steichen called in to Minshew to try and draw the defense offsides after 3rd and 2 fell well short. Try and draw them off ,take the timeout. Gives us a moment to see how they line up and discuss it going into the timeout. What does that discussion look like? Well for one, JT getting stuffed for no gain or not enough to get that first down on 4th, not just once or twice on that very drive, but four times. Take running off the table as a low percentage chance with the look the defense gave. What look? Man coverage with what, 7/8 guys stacked in tight? What is a high percentage chance? Goodson in the flat. Not expected, Pittman picking, have practiced it flawlessly. How many coaches discussed this? More than just Steichen in his head. Analytics, scooter, minshew all in on the discussion during a lengthy timeout. Play was wide open as designed. The throw and catch was not as designed. That isn’t a playcall issue, that’s a player execution issue. “Well playcall and execution are one and the same.”only in hindsight. The logical thing is to think through this analytically and without prejudice of using hindsight that it wasn’t executed or that it would have been higher chances of success doing something differently. It wouldn’t have been. They used logic to design an open play concept and it worked, except for the execution of two players. “Jonathan Taylor had 188 yards and is your best player. He should have been catching that ball” - Well, would it be open, or keyed on forcing the decision further into Minshew’s hands? Would he catch it? Idk, he has a bad thumb and now a bum heel. He ran out of bounds conservatively twice on this set of downs instead of sticking his nose in and gaining the necessary yards to avoid this situation. Can he even get us another yard? What was his comments like coming off the field? These aren’t things we even know, but the coaching staff does and they weighed it all and called a perfectly designed and well prepared play that failed only because the throw and catch weren’t executed. From here, hindsight can be used as a piece of data. We now know that play to Goodson isn’t as high percentage as we thought. Find someone new, because it still works as a playcall with a qb/pass catcher that can execute it. But it didn’t work as data last night because the data they had on it was from practicing it which by Minshew’s accounts was perfect.

He’s just grumpy. I think we all are today.

love you old man- but, he’s got CJ stroud. Every single player and coach said it- he was everything to them this year. and I didn’t realize going from the 4th pick in the draft to a couple of plays away from a division title with a backup qb is heading south. Living in different world than you I suppose

I’ve seen more contradiction from the fans arguing about this play than I’ve ever seen seen on this forum. Hence the logic statement. It was also a sarcastic joke. lol. But go on with the butt hurting

tough pill to swallow. Lawrence just watched a rookie fly by him as the one to chase in this division… and he’s got two more that are going to be catching up quickly

New banner going up 2023 Almost division champions

It’s too much logic for a lot of posters on this forum doug. We’ve been pounding it for hours.

I woke up this morning- after very little sleep- feeling pretty good about the future of Colts football. No uncertainty at head coach, just lots of film and learning to do this offseason for him, maybe some assistant coaching decisions… no uncertainty at who our qb is going to be in 2024. Pretty good core of guys to build on. The hunger this team is going to feel going into the offseason and into the 2024 season is immense. Let it stew.

I think he missed, because he was inaccurate pretty much all night long.

At this point, you won’t do anything but watch what happens isn’t that right?

he caught 6 of 7 targets coming in (85%) and was wide open with the ball put in his hands. that’s a pretty dang high percentage playcall. As @Superman said, it’s not like he was asked to do something crazy. It was a layup.

it was in the words of Chris Ballard “a layup.” shane Steichen gave minshew and Goodson a layup and they missed it. And I think they’ll both be elsewhere in 2024 because of it.

this is my feeling. After hearing the presser, it was obvious this was a designed play that had been practiced often. Not to JT, not to moss, not to anyone else, but to “our pass catching back, Goodson.” Minshew stated they made that throw what seemed like a million times. So the playcall and the personnel and the execution is practice all pointed towards that play, and it didn’t translate to the game field. Unfortunate? Yes. Emotional? Very. Bad play call? Absolutely not.