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6 hours ago, crazycolt1 said:
The name of the thread is misleading in the first place.
So some player who was not even drafted and sure wasn't a starter runs his mouth and all of a sudden it's becomes a culture change? He never knew what any culture was.
One big pile of horse dung.
When the players start talking about the difference, it's a culture change.
Adam vinatieri said they'd be the best shaped team in the league because of the change of pace... is that horse dung? Just curious.
“Changes in the weight room – the way we lift and run to get us back in better condition than in the past, so hopefully we don’t have those fourth-quarter mishaps that we had (in) years past,” said kicker Adam Vinatieri. “Hopefully we’ll be – not hopefully – we will be the best conditioned team in the fourth quarter, and that will make a huge difference.”
SHOTS FIRED BY THE GOAT...
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13 minutes ago, WoolMagnet said:
I didnt mean to say i thought his decisions and "nervousness" was a result of chemo or anything.
i just think , under pressure, (coaching i'm referring to), he kinda locks up in the head a lil. alot of people do. I think he was always that way.
not everyone can slow things down in their heads when the crap hits the fan. Staying calm, cool, collected and focused is not easy.
its not necessarily a dig on Pagano to say things are better now, imo.
We wouldn't know if there was a pre-chemo difference in Chuck because we saw so little of him as a HC before he was diagnosed, but I cannot (and I can't be alone) think that it didn't have an effect on his health over the remainder of his time here. Combine that with the stress of having to work for Ryan Grigson, and I think he had his work cut out for him from a mental and emotional perspective. God bless him for that.
We won't know if things are truly better until we see what kind of product we put on the field this season (roster wise and gameplanning/coaching wise), but as I originally posted, the culture has changed... we will see if it's a good thing.
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6 minutes ago, WoolMagnet said:
One has nothing to do with the other.
actually, i don't buy the "hes been thru cancer so he can handle...".
going thru that doesnt suddenly make you a better coach, or more "stable under fire."
it puts things in perspective,yes, but diesnt suddenly give you the ability to handle anything.
Hey, chuck looked nervous and confused at key coaching moments. Sometimes he made embarrasing decisions even. That doesnt make him a bad guy, just not a trait i want in a HEAD coach.
Exactly. I respect the hell out of anyone who goes through what Chuck went through. He's as tough as anybody. But I also have close family that went through chemo that often refer to their "chemo brain" when they are forgetful and make silly mistakes. It's not uncommon. Chemotherapy puts people's bodies and minds through hell and back. That makes them tough but also breaks them down a lot.
Chuck was a great guy that was paired with a bad GM. He had a qb in Andrew Luck that covered a lot of flaws for both of them. He wasn't a bad coach... he just wasn't a good one, and there is a whole lot to back that claim up.
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35 minutes ago, crazycolt1 said:
I don't buy into the deer in the headlights look.
Chuck has said more than once that coaching was nothing compared to what he went through in real life. He wasn't scared of anything that related to football and also said that too.
I'm not sure his comment had anything to do with being scared of anything... I think it had more to do with being lost on the sidelines at times, and I'm not sure how anyone could disagree with that? He absolutely struggled in games with adjustments and decision-making. It isn't easy adjusting on the fly and making quick decisions. There is a lot of preparedness that goes into it and then the ability to be able to think ahead and take risks. Chuck didn't take risks. He was ultra conservative and relied on a horrible defense a great of the time instead of keeping the ball in Andrew's hands when it was reasonable to do so.
"Chuck Pagano, faced a scenario like this – fourth down with his team leading by 10 or fewer points in the first three quarters — 50 times in six seasons and went for it three times.
Reich watched the Eagles go for it in that scenario three times in a single game last season." -Stephen Holder 4/5/18
That's the deer in headlights... 3 times in 50 tries? How many times could we have possibly scored and altered losses in those 50 tries? How many times did we punt and watch the opposing offense batter our defense for a quick score? I would hate to know, actually.
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2 hours ago, Steamboat_Shaun said:
I'd like to think that Coach Reggie Wayne will have a little chat with Chester once he catches wind of this.
And I'd like to think that if Reggie sticks his nose into players feelings about the prior coaching staff that Ballard might not keep him around very long either... Reggie's an assistant because he was a damn good football player. We don't know what his coaching ability is yet, and it could be very short lived.
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"I think it is one of those situations where it really reveals character," Fleener said. "The guys that kept fighting through it, knowing that we may not have our star quarterback on the field, but we still have a chance to win this game -- those are the guys that you want in your corner.
"The other guys, it becomes pretty apparent that they are along for the ride."
If I can remind anyone of this quote... And Pagano's comments to follow defending the team and environment. And Freeman's comments talking about what a "b... move" it was on Fleener's part to talk to the media about it.
There were issues in that locker room. It started at the top with Grigson and Pagano and as hard as Chuck tried to keep it in check, it trickled down. Good management in ANY business makes the difference in the culture. Grigson was God-awful in that regard (and in putting together a roster).
The Culture is changed for the better, I am 100% confident. Frank understands and bought into his role as the HC here. He understands that Ballard has a good vision and high football IQ, and has brought in several key people to bring in talent and develop that talent. Frank knows he is tasked with leading a locker room that is now one of the youngest in the NFL and that will need guidance and firmness as a leader.
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3 hours ago, John Waylon said:
Interesting.
Very interesting.
The players loved Pagano. They came in during the bye week after a win to keep practicing to get better. That’s not the behavior of a team who hates it’s coach or culture.
I know we won’t get it, but I’d definitely like some elaboration on this quote.
"The players." There were a lot of players that were frustrated throughout their time under Pagano. Did Quincy Wilson love Pagano last season? Just curious... I don't agree at all, and all you can point to is those public quotes of people that defended Pagano. I think a lot of people respected him for what he went through and his drive to keep powering through... but to insinuate that all players loved playing under him is laughable. There were a lot more stressful and frustrating times for a whole lot of these guys the last 6 years than good. And if I remember correctly, I remember Pagano publicly ridiculing the roster a time or two taking shots at Grigson that didn't sit well with some players.
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It's a dig at Pagano to come public with these kind of comments, but shows what difference there already is in the organization... months before training camp which will really set the stage for this team under Ballard/Reich.
I always sensed there was a tense relationship between coaching staff and management, and that trickled down to the relationship between coaching and players, which led to a more relaxed locker room. That's not how a football locker room should ever feel. High energy. High competitiveness. It's been a long time coming. I hope you all are ready.
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Just now, ColtStrong2013 said:
You can take an athlete and make them one... you can't vice versa, and in today's professional football, if you aren't an athlete you might as well go home as they are going to pick you apart. Defensively especially. Mismatch every single play, regardless of position.
This is also on the extreme end of suggesting that all of the picks aren't football plauers. They very much are and a few of them are top notch all Americans. You can hone in on skills that are absent or lacking if the athleticism is there.
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8 hours ago, ColtsBlitz said:
Okay, I’m not trying to be pessimistic, but an athlete is not a football player. There are millions of athletes in the world. There are very few professional football players comparatively.
I do like the fact that Ballard is going after athletic leaders though, it is a sign that that’s what he wants here and we need leaders among this young group of men that form the Indianapolis Colts
You can take an athlete and make them one... you can't vice versa, and in today's professional football, if you aren't an athlete you might as well go home as they are going to pick you apart. Defensively especially. Mismatch every single play, regardless of position.
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12 hours ago, Mr.NotSoCreative said:
Our interior oline is gonna be stout for sure. OT is a bit of a ? atm. Can AC keep up his play from last year our drop off some? Right side we have options? I think what some are forgetting is that we are thinking these guys are depth behind guys that like Walker, Basham, who have not proven to be starters. Unfortunately if they dont take a huge step in progression going forward, there goes the perceived depth. Especially with unproven rooks behind them. Seems maybe this is going to be a defense by committee approach, 11 start, but like 22 play a lot through the games rotating often. We really need to just sit back and see how this unfolds, pray, and trust our people.
It's all about competition on defense. They are going to rotate and see what sticks. They will find players that mesh and play well as a unit and those guys will get the starts and bulk of the rotational play. That's my two cents based on Ballard's comments going forward.
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On 5/1/2018 at 2:19 PM, Coffeedrinker said:
He did say he is very strict about it, especially in rounds 1-5. So I take that as meaning special cases may be made in the 6th and 7th round. Probably for the type of situation you described.
I didn't dislike Grigson as much as many on this forum (mostly the same people that thought he was a great GM his first three years) but one thing I did mention from the 2nd season on was the Colts had no identity, they didn't seem to be targeting a certain type of player or mentality, basically I didn't think he had a vision for the type of team he wanted to create. Ballard seems to have that vision and has developed the road map to make that vision a reality. It is a refreshing change.
This.
No identity at all. Their identity was a bad roster that could come together and make comebacks behind #12 after digging themselves in a hole. Not a good thing to be known for.
If I'm picking an identity, it's the ability to pick on defenses with speed and a top notch o-line and cause chaos on defense.
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Things would not be going this smoothly out of the gate with McDaniels. He would have wanted a lot of say in personnel with Ballard (not that Reich didn't have a lot of input from everything that has been said) but would have likely pouted if he hadn't gotten his way.
I really look forward to Andrew coming back and having all day to throw. Speed across the board on offense and Frank having a heyday picking apart defenses... solely because I'll know McDaniels will be sitting in his little New England cottage watching and wondering what the Hell he did.
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22 hours ago, Mr. Irrelevant said:
The approach will be interesting to follow, the T.J. Green draft (pure athlete, not much football player) does scare however. But I think that Ballard is smart enough to look at more metrics than just RAS numbers and hope the best.
It's scary because he was drafted so highly. If he were even a 3rd round project, it would feel better. I have no problem investing high draft picks in the trenches and guys you know are going to play for you (Leonard at Will linebacker, Turay at end) and finding high upside guys later on. I have a problem picking guys like Dorsett and Green so high and neglecting key positions because of it.
The metrics are one piece to the story. The tape and the interviews (personality and fit) are a whole separate conversation. It all has to make sense. I'm not sure if the TJ Green draft made much sense, especially since they missed on Collins the previous draft. Seemed like a move to satisfy the coach after disappointing him the prior year.
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On 5/1/2018 at 10:44 AM, Defjamz26 said:
That’s what I thought too, but the Rams got away with it. They had Robert Woods and Cooper Cupp who are both 6’0”. And they traded for Cooks. Watkins is a bigger receiver but he only had 500 yards for them. I would say that speed and route running take more priority over size.
I’m starting to wonder if having an athletic TE is more important. Ebron could really break out here.
Ebron will only go as far as Ebron will take himself. He is being put in an ideal environment and opportunity (fresh start if you will) in Indy. And Frank Reich will use his athleticism and body to put him in one on one situations every game. If he can make the plays, and Andrew WILL put the ball on the money for him, then he will certainly break out here. But there are no excuses from here out for him. It's make or break.
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I am concerned about the linebackers. I think Leonard will be a fine Will backer, and probably our best this season (which is probably frightening to most as we are unsure what he will look like) but I am really concerned about the Mike position. I think Goode and Walker can fill the Sam position just fine, but we really don't have a leader at the linebacker position that can play 20 yards deep, and command the middle of the field that will be necessary for the Mike position in this defense. Morrison just doesnt have the speed.
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1 hour ago, dw49 said:
Couple of things . Hernandez to the Giants at pick 2.2 was pretty close to automatic. They had such a huge need at G , that some were predicting them to take Nelson at pick 2. So , IMO , unless we traded to pick 33 , we weren't drafting Hernandez. On Leonard , I was reading in ESPN that the GM that was asked about that pick said he also had Leonard rated the 5th best LB in the draft and he was a good pick there.
That said , I do agree with you that our picks in round 2 did not look like high value picks. Guys like Robert Jones who went right after our picks probably had (IMO) more value than say Smith. Same with Turay I guess. But thing with him is if you look at the number of plays and the times he pressured the QB , he is second to none in this draft ? Evidently he's extremely disruptive but has trouble finishing the play ? I guess that's why the Colt brass say he's a very good pass rusher right now. They do say he need developing but not as "raw" as some are saying ?
Most defensive ends need some developing. Rarely does a guy come straight from college and into a 10 sack year. It will take some time.
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9 minutes ago, gspdx said:
Rated higher? Do we know how Ballard's draft board is laid out? I will confess I don't follow this near as closely as many people do but do we even know how all of these players were rated by Ballard and his team?
Exactly... Rated higher on espn, nfl.com, pff, whatever it may be. They act like that is absolute when it comes to how a board should be laid out... and then admit they hadn't heard of or watched tape on certain players that are drafted higher.
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3 hours ago, krunk said:
The only ratings that matter is how the Colts have the prospects rated. We may think XYZ from the info we receive and that could be totally the opposite of how the Colts view who is available on the board. Or that player could be the antithesis of what we seek in a player in terms of there internal make up. Character, Toughness, Accountability, etc etc. Or that player may not be a scheme fit even though we think he is. The Colts don't build their board based on Mel Kiper, Mcshay, Bucky Brooks and all the other analysts. They have their own way of doing things.
That's why it makes me laugh every year when people put so much weight into rankings. Obviously the upper echelon guys get a lot of attention and their tape usually backs it... but it doesn't show any other factors that go into it. Just basing off the tape/combine.
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3 hours ago, Coffeedrinker said:
Here's what gets me about fans that complain about the draft or because they didn't draft player x when he was still available or who blame the GM, it shows me they don't really understand the role of a GM.
A Gm is not supposed to say, "I like this player" and draft him. A GM has to work with the coaches and determine which traits the coaches want in their players, then rank the traits and then study film together so they rate they can determine how to score each trait. Then the GM (and scouts) scout players and assign a score to each trait and then they weight each score on each trait depending on the importance from the coach.
So it doesn't matter what NFL.com or WalterFootball or PFF or any other side grades a player because they have no idea what traits a Colts coach finds important.
We may find out that CB is not good at finding players with the traits the coaches think are important. We may find that the coaches are not very good at determining which traits are important for their players. But to call a player a reach or situational or over drafted (or underdrafted) a day or two after they are drafted shows a lack of understanding of the system of scouting and drafting players.
One thing is very clear from this draft... all the guys were team captains, team leaders, multi-year starters. All defense players seem to guys that can run well and tackle well. On offense the guys seem to be difference makers whether it's on the oline at RB or WR.
What bothers me is when people don't know why we would draft a person at a specific position when someone rated higher at the position is available... There is a lot of factors that go into that, the biggest one being that they might not have even entertained the player that wasn't drafted. They might have brought the guy they drafted in on a top 30 visit and had multiple scouting sessions and meetings. That's a nobrainer of who to take in a scenario like that if the guy that you spent a lot of time and homework on fits what you are looking for.
There was one individual on here that was bothered that we took Fountain over Cain at 159 only to turn around and draft Cain at 185.
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4 minutes ago, gacker65 said:
Went back and all I saw were highlights. None were of him setting an edge, but pass rushing. Still what I said is true, if the DEs can't set the edge, they are basically situational players.and the 2nd round is not where to get then. I also found out about his 2 shoulder surgeries. Like I said whatever.
Simon can set an edge. Sheard has trouble, as he was never asked to do that much. Do not use Sheard as an example as a pass rusher.. Need to average more than 6 sacks a year.
I am seeing a rebuild of the defense of the Manning years. Built to play with a lead, but can't play catch up. Yes, 10 straight division titles, but only 1 Super Bowl. That year, we brought in Booger McFarland, a big slow, take up 2 blockers DT. Most of those years, our DBs lead the team in tackles, instead of the LBs. A good way to shorten your DBs' career.
I am not condemning the draft, but stating the obvious.
That is your problem bud. You watched highlights which of course will show him pass rushing. Go watch every down against Michigan. Tapes on YouTube. He set the edge far more than he was called to pass rush. He even went out of his way at times to ensure a back didn't get to the corner... Rutgers defensive tackles and linebackers were bad and generally didn't make the play. Turay also hustled down field and made plays that he should not have made as a defensive end. He was the best safety on the Rutgers roster at times last season based on film I have seen.
67 pressures for Sheard last season. A lot of people disagree with you on that great analysis you provided.
"Stating the obvious..." Using short sighted statistics to paint a picture that isn't true is not stating the obvious.
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16 minutes ago, gacker65 said:
The Eagles DEs could set the edge as well as pass rush. You do not get pass rushers unless you are blowing off the run. The Manning era defenses were built to play with a lead, not play catch up. This was shown time and time again. Teams could and did run against our defense and won.
Yeah and so can John Simon and Jabaal Sheard. Are they pass rushers that blow off the run? Just curious.
Let's wait until a few games through the season to claim this is exactly the same defense... because I 100% guarantee you it isn't.
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19 minutes ago, gacker65 said:
Exactly the same in Defense. Pass rushers instead of DEs. DEs can set the edge in the run, not only pass rush. A little thing forgotten is that Titans and Jags can run the ball well. Other teams in the league are starting to go that way. Again whatever
Go watch Turay's film and tell me he doesn't set the edge. I watched the entire Michigan game.. every single down he played. And he set the edge damn near every time. Get out of here with that garbage. Lewis was the best run stuffing defensive end in the big ten.
"Whatever"... great talk
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4 minutes ago, gacker65 said:
we saw this show with Peyton. One Super Bowl in 14 years, due to a Defense that couldn't step up and stop the run. Then whatever
I think last years superbowl proved that you have to be able to rotate fresh defensive lineman all game and put up serious points in order to win in this generation of football. I think Peyton Manning's Colts would fare much better today in this innovative offensive era than they did then. They were built for today's game a tad too early, when a great deal of the league was still playing old school football.
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Nonsense? This is a forum to talk about Colts football and all some of you knuckleheads do is come out and attack people and belittle. Get outta here.
I think this will be the part where I bow out. Go blue.