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5 hours ago, Buck Showalter said:
This may be a crazy thought, & slightly off-topic, but, directly after the draft I almost felt like Ballard took a "Doubling Down" approach to the draft, choosing to draft 2 players at each position...
While the team needs multiple starters/contributors at multiple positions, is it possible still, that he is attempting to increase his drafting % by "Doubling Up" on positional picks, with the hopes or thought, that if you draft 2 late round WR's for example, there is a greater likelihood of at least one of them working out, since you are drafting 2.
I guess I don't know that any of that was Ballard's goal going into the draft, but as the draft got underway, is it an analytical perspective that could've played a role in the draft process???
Those were just some of my thoughts directly following the draft when it just felt slightly unusual that there were 2 (& 3 in the case of lbs) players drafted at each position drafted.
Lol... I am probably just delusional & the team is just that deficient of talent, (cursing Grigson under my breath)...
I dont think you are off-base in that thinking. Ballard was quoted (and I paraphrase) as saying the draft is like playing darts, the more picks you have the more tosses at the board you get, and therefore more chances to stick. With that, the doubling down makes sense. Now with that said, I agree with 21 in creating some competition, but mostly agree with crazy in that it's about depth. Over the last several years, this team has lacked what would even be considered minimally necessary depth needed to compete for an entire season... the talent is one thing, depth is a whole different animal. I think he is focusing on weak spots one draft at a time. Last year with an emphasis on the defensive secondary, this year on the offensive and defensive lines. Next year should be linebackers. It will be interesting to see going forward.
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Look at the brightside... if his shoulder is actually shot, we can always turn him into a much needed Mike linebacker. Problem solved.
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https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.indystar.com/amp/593187002
“We’re not handicapped in this offense,” Rogers said, “and I feel like it’s going to bring the best out of all our potential.”
-Handicapped... ouch.
He elaborated: “It’s putting players in positions and groups that they’re good at. They’re really using (Eric) Ebron, Jack (Doyle), me, T.Y., putting us everywhere. (The scheme) is a lot more flexible. Everybody’s excited. Different teams that run this offense (Rogers cited the Super Bowl champion Eagles), everybody’s open.”
- offenses under Pagano weren't flexible? You mean that Grigson wasn't wrong when he said he wished Pagano were more flexible with his schemes... sheesh..
-EVERYBODY'S EXCITED... did you hear that guys? Not just one or two players. EVERYBODY.
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1 hour ago, MikeCurtis said:
"coversations" are a little different in Texas I guess
This thread looks like 2 people that each have to get the last word in.............
Its not that important..... You are a Colts fan, so I imagine that you already start from a high inteliigence position........... (you chose the right team to follow)
I will say the topic in itself is good...... Pagano wasnt a good coach IMHO.
But....
Fight on..... I will back away........
Good luck
I started the thread, so you are damn right I will get the last word in when someone questions or belittles my opinions and perspective. I know several true Texans that would be the same way, so maybe it's a case by case ordeal.
Thanks for your support. Go Blue... I hope this years squad has the fight and (dare I say it... grit) that this forum does.
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1 hour ago, Peterk2011 said:
No one is saying Pagano was a good HC. But you said Pagano's system failed a lot of cornerbacks, which is just not true. Who were those "lot of" CB-s? The only I can think of was Patrick Robinson who was bad here and had a nice year in Philly (not good enough for them to keep him though). Not a lot of "lot"-s. Everyone else - Butler, Toler, Davis, etc. - had their best years in Indy. And some safeties too (Adams for example). The only guy Grigson's ever drafted high enough to realistically expect to become good player was D'Joun Smith. Did he manage to revive his carreer elsewhere? No. So how was he Pagano's failure?
Just look at the difference what happened AFTER Grigson was out and Ballard took over. In just one offseason, he brougth in not one, but four new guys, only one of them being drafted high. Wilson, Hairston, Melvin, Desir, Moore. And surprise, surprise .... ALL OF THEM worked out quite well under Pagano right off the bat. Even Wilson, who had a bit rough rookie year, but still showed us enough to have high expectations in him for this year. And as Wilson admitted, even his sidelining happened for a reason, and that "doghouse" experience helped him in long term.
Pagano had to go, that's obvious. He had to go for number of reasons. But none of them was him not being able to provide a working scheme for the corners. He, actually did his job regarding that.
Actually if you look up above, several mentioned him going to a conference championship (news flash: we got our butt kicked) with a less than desired roster. That is the same as saying he was a good coach. And it's still hilarious.
He did not provide a good scheme. Period. It wasn't just about the corners. It was for everyone defensively. And he blamed the personnel for it. He could have helped a lot of people out by adjusting. His corners were left on islands always. And got burnt consistently.
The new guys last year did not work out well. We still sucked. He refused to play Wilson because he was out of shape and didn't have a good camp. He still played pretty damn good ball when he was on the field, and many of us including Ballard wanted to see more of him.
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53 minutes ago, MikeCurtis said:
Who is this Pagano guy that is causing such a ruckus ?
The last I looked, there was a new head coach.............
Did we rehire Pagano?
Now for me, I am really mad about Frank Cush....... sheeze, I am still mad
If you like Frank Cush, you are just STUPID, and we will have an internet flame war for the next 9 pages......
yada yada yada .........
This isnt life or death....... go hug your wife, go hug your kids, play with the dog a bit.....
This topic was about the culture change... of course Pagano is going to be a point of discussion. If people dont want to engage in the conversation, then don't. It's that simple... really, it truly is.
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53 minutes ago, MikeCurtis said:
Another decent thread concept somewhat derailed by personal arguments.................
Now now. According to crazy, this topic was garbage from the start... as is chester Roger's and anyone who says Pagano was a bad coach.
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3 hours ago, NewColtsFan said:
CS.....
I'm a big fan of yours... and I think this might be the first time I've responded directly to one of your posts.... if so, I'm sorry that I'm in disagreement with your viewpoint....
I don't think Pagano's scheme falied any of our CB's.... none of them.
Think about our defense for the last 6 years. What kind of talent did Pagano have to work with? Seriously, not just cornerbacks, but all positions. Where was the talent. Who were the good defensive players that Grigson drafted?
Who were the good defensive players that Grigson signed in free agency? Who did Pagano and his DC's have to work with? I never thought we had good talent on that side of the ball. And the last two years, 16 and 17, reflected that with defenses that were ranked roughly 31st both years.
Sooner or later in the NFL, good offenses will catch up to you.
Pagano had one good CB to work with -- Vonte Davis. And for the life of me, if I live to 100 years old, I'll never understand Grigson's reluctance to not go out and get a quality 2nd CB. He spent 3/13.5 on Toler... 4.5 mill per. And Tolder was OK when he was healthy, but he wasn't healthy very much. And then Grigson spent 3/13.5 on Robinson and he was hurt so much that he only lasted one year. But Vonte played well when he was healthy.... in fact all of our corners played well when they were healthy. Pagano got the best years out of Vonte, and Butler and Toler (when healthy) and Melvin and Desir as well.
Where was the pass rush to help the Corners? Rarely had much.
Pagano wasn't the problem. Grigson was. You can only do so much when you have so little.
Just a different perspective to consider........
I do remember reports of Grigson very frustrated with Pagano for not adjusting his scheme to better suit the players they had on the roster. He flat out refused to change his scheme. Now that is Grigsons fault to not bring guys in that fit that scheme. But Pagano could have easily said he was willing to adjust when he signed on with Grigson and been on the wrong page the entire time.
Grigson drafted TJ green really high because Pagano wanted him (pounded the table) and thought he could develop him... we see where that went.
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2 hours ago, NewColtsFan said:
CS.....
I'm a big fan of yours... and I think this might be the first time I've responded directly to one of your posts.... if so, I'm sorry that I'm in disagreement with your viewpoint....
I don't think Pagano's scheme falied any of our CB's.... none of them.
Think about our defense for the last 6 years. What kind of talent did Pagano have to work with? Seriously, not just cornerbacks, but all positions. Where was the talent. Who were the good defensive players that Grigson drafted?
Who were the good defensive players that Grigson signed in free agency? Who did Pagano and his DC's have to work with? I never thought we had good talent on that side of the ball. And the last two years, 16 and 17, reflected that with defenses that were ranked roughly 31st both years.
Sooner or later in the NFL, good offenses will catch up to you.
Pagano had one good CB to work with -- Vonte Davis. And for the life of me, if I live to 100 years old, I'll never understand Grigson's reluctance to not go out and get a quality 2nd CB. He spent 3/13.5 on Toler... 4.5 mill per. And Tolder was OK when he was healthy, but he wasn't healthy very much. And then Grigson spent 3/13.5 on Robinson and he was hurt so much that he only lasted one year. But Vonte played well when he was healthy.... in fact all of our corners played well when they were healthy. Pagano got the best years out of Vonte, and Butler and Toler (when healthy) and Melvin and Desir as well.
Where was the pass rush to help the Corners? Rarely had much.
Pagano wasn't the problem. Grigson was. You can only do so much when you have so little.
Just a different perspective to consider........
I dont disagree on the talent pool at all. Nor the pass rush. All I remember is watching corners on an island with no pass rush, and getting torched over and over... without any adjustments or changes (isnt that the definition of insanity?)
I understand your perspective and give Pagano some of the benefit of the doubt... he had a bad gm who didnt give him the Ravens defense to work with. I have always said Grigson is much more to blame than Pagano for many of the problems. And the culture is definitely one of them. Talent is obviously the main one.
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Just now, aaron11 said:
i like the change, we were screwed anytime vontae was hurt and some back up had to try to cover the elite WRs in the league.
Vontae was like glass... which was horrible for this team because of the scheme and lack of talented depth at corner. Forever stamped in my mind is 2014 when Vontae went out against the Steelers early in the game. 500 yards and 6 TDs later for big Ben. Ugly game. 51 points for Pittsburgh.
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15 minutes ago, aaron11 said:
not surprised he said that. chucks scheme asked a lot of CBs while they have one of the easiest jobs in a cover 2
Chuck's scheme failed a lot of cornerbacks here the last 6 years. These guys are feeling good about their roles for a change.
They are getting excited about the chance to be playmakers, which this defense and Ballard place an emphasis on. Defensive backs that can make big plays and flip a game.
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"The defense is a lot easier,” Hairston told reporters Tuesday. “They keep it simple for us, but it allows you to fly around and make plays, so I think everyone is loving it so far.”
What? Easier than the last coaching staff made it? Players are happy? No way...
"The Colts showed confidence in the current cornerback room by passing on multiple opportunities to select a player at the position in the draft. While it didn’t matter to Hairston, he did see that as a vote of confidence from the front office.
'I think it shows that they have confidence that we can go out there and get it done, but that means nothing,' Hairston said. 'We still have to go out there and do it.'"
Management showed confidence in the guys they brought in even though the prior coaching staff didn't show the same confidence? No way... These guys could not possibly be buying into the new culture in Indianapolis.
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...I'll be done now. Good day
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31 minutes ago, crazycolt1 said:
Military is real life unlike a game.
The camaraderie you speak in the NFL don't even come close as the military. Half the team don't even know what the other half does. Then you always have those players who play for themselves rather than team wise. Every team has those.
I was in elite forces so I think I know a little bit about the difference. I was a ranger for the 101st. 17th air cavalry with jumps in Viet Nam. Now tell me your experience?
Look I have been following and watching the NFL since before the merge of the league. I have seen teams start out exactly like this one has started out and fell flat on their face. Till we get wins under our belt there is no culture to speak of.
You are confusing the excitement of a new head coach and crew to a culture.
Who is butthurt now?
I didn't degrade the military, so you can chill a little my friend. Thank you for your service. I have a close family member that is an active SEAL. I'm much aware of the differences in the two... but there are many aspects that have similarities, which is why SEALS often go to college programs and talk to athletes, specifically football teams... It's also why many of them retire into athletic training and program development after their service. It comes down to teamwork and trust. I used an analogy and you took offense to it.
I'm not confusing excitement with anything. I took differences in the two organizations that have already been exposed in what little the team has already been together and shared my thoughts. You have jumped all over my every comment since the beginning of the post.
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Depth in the trenches. Ballard will continue making these moves. Year after year. It's about quality depth on the lines. Frank Reich's first comments about the offensive line was that it wasn't about having 5 starters that could play, it was about having 8 or 9 starters... because in any given year that is a reality. It certainly has been for this franchise.
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34 minutes ago, crazycolt1 said:
I have some startling news for you. The military and NFL camp has zero to do with each other. One is life or death training while the other are highly paid men that play a kids game.
While I have never been in the NFL I have been to more than my share of military training.
Football and military are intertwined all of the time. There is a reason Navy SEALS go and speak to football programs of all ages about the fundamentals of both... Are you that obtuse? In terms of culture, they are very similar. Camaraderie, competitive, intense.
In terms of elite forces (which is what I referred to), their training is much more than life or death. If you think it is that black and white, you are as crazy as your name indicates. Navy SEALS focus on execution which doesn't always mean life or death... It means taking care of the nuances of the task at hand and trusting their teammates to do their jobs. Is that not similar in football?
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8 minutes ago, MB-ColtsFan said:
Just to add another perspective; has any other player made a remark about "the culture change" to warrant your opinion or are you basing this on what one player said?
Culture usually refers to a common view of a collection of attitudes, not just one.
Viniateri talked about the up-tempo pace at mini-camp and how different it was compared to years past. He mentioned that they will be the best conditioned team in the league and won't have 4th quarter letups like they have so often the past few years because of conditioning...
Doyle made similar remarks.
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9 minutes ago, jameszeigler834 said:
Ya the monster that never got built they built something called joke and that's is all that was built hope under these two that changes in a big way.
That's the problem. They never elaborated a whole lot on how they were going to build the monster. Hell grigson wouldn't even talk to the media.
Ballard has laid out his vision time and time again, and has talked about the culture he wants to create. Competitive, young, fast. Speed and in the way they practice. The tempo in minicamp is where most players noticed the difference right off the bat. THAT is the culture that I am referring to.
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8 minutes ago, Fluke_33 said:
I misread the title as couture change and thought this thread would be about the blue pants.
Might as well be.
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18 minutes ago, crazycolt1 said:
We haven't played one game yet. Hell, we haven't even opened camp.
There is no culture made yet. We don't even know if the coaches hired are the right ones.
You are jumping the gun way too fast assuming anything with this team.
Most elite forces in the military don't deploy until after at least a year of training. Many talk about the culture that you claim isn't made yet. That culture is often set the first month of initiation. Months before deployment. You don't know what you are talking about in regard to culture. The culture is what the environment is everytime these guys take the field together. They have taken the field together... and they are all talking about it. Specifically the difference compared to last year. Again, you don't know what you are talking about.
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16 minutes ago, crazycolt1 said:
You don't know anything about me. If you don't like my opinions that makes no difference to me at all.
Just because I said your title to a thread was misleading because it was incomplete and then explained why, the problem lies with you.
I couldn't care less about your opinion of me.
I get along with most all the forum members because they take things said with a grain of salt and don't get all butt hurt if I don't agree with them.
Far from butt hurt. I couldn't care less. You came on my thread and spewed nonsense acting like the title didn't match with the post.
14 minutes ago, crazycolt1 said:We haven't played one game yet. Hell, we haven't even opened camp.
There is no culture made yet. We don't even know if the coaches hired are the right ones.
You are jumping the gun way too fast assuming anything with this team.
They did open camp. Mini camp and that is where the quotes come from. Sometimes it's like you don't even follow Colts football. Have you ever worked? If you have, then you know damn well that the culture is changed immediately when a management change occurs. The culture is changed my Colts friend. I'm not assuming anything with this team yet, because there is a lot of questions marks... but one thing is for certain, the players that have been here for a year or two are taking notice. You are just a little slow to catch on.
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11 hours ago, crazycolt1 said:
Exactly SW1. It didn't help when the OP brought up 'culture change' in the title being there has yet to be a culture made at this point.
Every word that has been said about Ballard and the new coaching staff is word for word what was said about Grigson/Pagano their first two years.
I will not rehash the Pagano issues because it's all water under the bridge but all of a sudden this turned into a bash Pagano thread when it wasn't necessary at all.
It's funny that even after Ballards two drafts there is still a lot that think this team is no better than 8-8 even with Luck. But yet it was Pagano's fault? Yeah, right.
There hasn't? I guess I failed to realize that Ballard has cleaned house and brought in a hell of a lot more young players through the draft with the intention of competition and development. Grigsom didn't do that, he bought players in free agency that didn't pan out. There is a night and day difference between Grigsons first two years and Ballards. Ballards first year, Andrew was on the bench. Let's see what happens this year before you throw out record differences.
There is absolutely a culture set. Competitive, high energy, fast paced. Vinny's commented on it. Doyle's commented on it. You are just oblivious.
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1 hour ago, WoolMagnet said:
I can read posts and tell who is a smart * too.
Don't mind him Wool. He doesn't know how not to be a * on a forum about football.
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50 minutes ago, crazycolt1 said:
I think where the issue was made negative is when the OP made it "culture change" the name of the thread without an explanation. He hand picked just a part of a longer statement for what reason I don't know. It was made more dramatic but after reading the whole comment it was more understandable.
Like I said earlier, The name of the tread is misleading.
How was the thread not indicative of the statement? He literally mentions the culture difference in the article that I posted. I didn't quote just part of the statement, I posted the link to the article, so you are way off base by saying I didn't explain what the topic meant.
Yes I said it was a dig at Pagano. I think it was. That's my opinion as you have stated yours. It's a dig at the culture and environment that Pagano and Grigson created, which contrary to what you think, was not a great one. Many of those guys didn't realize until now the difference and it all is making sense. High energy, high competitiveness. My original post literally said that and Chester's statements go hand in hand. I didn't "hand pick" jack squat, I threw an article that hadn't been shared yet and stated my opinion on the Culture change that is happening.
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I'm going to go with this as well... Aaron Donald has consistently been the most efficient defensive player in the league for several years now. His constant pressure would do wonders in this new defense.
Leveon Bell is simply the best running back in the league. He produces over and over again, and the Colts offense with Andrew Luck healthy would resemble the best Pittsburgh offenses production wise, with Bell in the backfield.
This pair is about efficiency and that is what winning in the major sports (football, basketball and baseball) are all about today.