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3 minutes ago, NewColtsFan said:
He’s not talking long term. He’s only talking about next year. A rookie is likely NOT going to be better next year. They will need a redshirt year to sit, watch and learn.
By saying he is NOT LIKELY does indicate that he could be likely to be better. It is not an absolute. Not like saying 'A rookie is NOT going to be better' so there is hope, right?
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Just now, csmopar said:
And the prospects this draft SUCK
Says who? Not the draft gurus. maybe not extremely deep but far from sucks.
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27 minutes ago, Superman said:
That's not true. The point is you don't throw a young QB to the wolves, especially if he still needs work. You can kill a young QB very easily.
I don't feel at all we would be throwing a young QB to the wolves. We have a very good offensive line and a decent all around team and a HC who is supposedly a good QB coach. It's guys like Rosen and Darnald who went to very poor teams and were basically thrown to the wolves. I am not one who believes JB will improve much at all and would hate to go through another season like last year. At least with a young QB I feel there is hope unless he is not good to begin with. Guys talking of waiting to round 3 or 4 to draft a QB I feel is a waste of a draft pick.
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47 minutes ago, deedub75 said:
Three 2nd round picks and a need for a WR and Ballard didn't value any of these guys. I'm a bit biased though because I'm an Ole Miss grad and I watched a lot of Brown and Metcalf.
Guess you are smarter than 31 other GMs in the league. Get your resume out. There are some openings.
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54 minutes ago, EastStreet said:
Yes, we save the 8M (game checks and misc), but we are already on the hook for about half of his total 2020 compensation.
My point is, he's already guaranteed ~7M, so cutting him, and "resigning him to a team friendly deal" (earlier suggestion that I was replying too) wouldn't make any sense.
If we cut him, it won't really be about savings (given our cap situation) unless Ballard decides to go big in FA and needs cash.
I think what we are both saying is about the same. he has a cap hit in place with part of his signing bonus of about $21.5 M if we keep him. If we cut him or trade him prior to new start of NFL year we still have a cap hit of around $12.5. Is that correct? If so we have a big cap hit but is $9M less if we get rid of him in time, correct?
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3 hours ago, EastStreet said:
yup.
I just pulled "over the cap" details below.
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Jacoby Brissett signed a one year extension with the Indianapolis Colts on Sept 3, 2019. The contract is worth $30 million in total paper value, and $27,975,000 in new money. Brissett received a $11 million signing bonus and guaranteed $2 million base salary in 2019. Brissett can earn up to $2 million ($146,000 per game active) in roster bonuses. However this amount is treated as a signing bonus since the contract was signed during the preseason, the $2 million will be pro-rated over two years. On the 3rd day of the 2020 league year Brissett will earn a $7 million roster bonus, which became guaranteed on September 6, 2019. Brissett can also earn another $2 million ($146,00 per game active) in roster bonuses.
Easy, I have read contradicting info. Just read on Bleacher Report the other day that if they cut him prior to the new league year they would save $8.875M. Heard prior we would save around $9M all do to roster bonus. Not disputing you but why would they guarantee a roster bonus 5 months prior to the new year? Is that common and if so why do they call it roster bonus?
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1 hour ago, WoolMagnet said:
Curse of Griggsy
That was Polian.
Sorry i think it was Grigson.
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No way Brady would come to the Colts after 'Deflate Gate'. I think he despises the Colts as much as the Colt fans despise him. If he agreed to come he'd probably pull a McDaniel move to try to get back at us.
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1 hour ago, pacolts56 said:
According to several of these draft profilers.... he’s actually a very good blocker.....https://thedraftnetwork.com/player/jerry-jeudy/XfmKSBZBcU
Harris - “He is a willing stalk blocker and will chase down defenders when others have the football.“
Tuls - “Gives great effort as a blocker and stays engaged. Technique is generally sound when blocking in terms of collapsing, fitting his hands, extending, playing with leverage and keeping his feet involved. “
Moosejaw said it and he's never wrong so dispense with the experts talk.
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2 hours ago, Chloe6124 said:
Rivers is a statue and didn’t even make the play offs. They had a worse record then us. Why does anyone think he is going to take us to the playoffs.
No Chloe, we don't want the statue. He was talking about the QB for the Chargers!
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1 hour ago, Superman said:
You guys are ignoring the point. You're forcing this 'anyone but JB makes the Colts better,' and that's the actual disagreement.
I don't think the also-rans everyone is trotting out there make the Colts better. Even those who might, I don't believe they take the team from 'wasted season' -- which is a dramatic way of saying the team isn't ready to contend, so we can lay it at the feet of the QB, which I'm not sure I agree with -- to serious contender.
The point is that the best way to fix the QB position, now and future, is to draft the next guy. The patchwork solution isn't attractive to me. That's not saying I'm fine with wasting time on JB, just that we need to find the next guy in the draft.
I agree with you on the bolded statement. I don't think just anyone would be an improvement but I wouldn't mind us going with a more proven vet as a mentor as I question how that will work with JB. I know you said that the coaches would do the coaching but they would share the QB room and JB would have to view the guy as a threat to his job. I know competition is good but to me this is different.
I personally would like to bite the bullet and cut ties as I think we are in for a mediocre season regardless. Healthy we all have opinions. Respect yours very much. We will have to see what happens and I will try not to be to bad * second guesser!
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10 hours ago, NewColtsFan said:
Because that’s what most young players do... they improve as they get older and gain experience.
You don’t want to put a rookie in before they’re ready. Patrick Mahomes got a redshirt year. Played just one game around week 15 or 16. It clearly helped.
NCF, JB will be starting his 5th year in the league next year. Is that still considered young and how many years do you want to give him? If you were to read a scouting profile on JB today it would mirror his scouting report when he came out of college. He mentored for 4 years under two great QBs during that time.
I admired JB for the guts and fortitude he displayed in 2017 and last year as he was such a great cheerleader and teammate. But now I believe he is way over his head. It is not his fault he was put in this position but Colts had really no choice and JB earned the chance and was paid well but time to move on.
Attended four games this year at over $200 a pop as I spit my season tickets with my family. Without a doubt four of the more boring games I have attended and I have had season tickets since the mid 80s. Attendance or better yet butts in the seats tapered off badly as the season went on, at least from my observations.
I will be greatly disappointed if the Colts choose the status quo but feel confident that they have already started months ago to look for better alternatives. You may be 100% correct that JB will be the starter come first game in Lucas but hope it was not because the Colts didn't exhaust alternative.
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6 minutes ago, NewColtsFan said:
We just paid Hoyer $9 mill to be our backup.
Who is going to take JB’s starting spot? I don’t see a veteran we’d go after. And a rookie is going to need a redshirt year. That leaves JB, hopefully improved, working with a hopefully improved roster.
My bigger concern us the schedule. It looks brutal to me. Hardest I’ve seen since I joined this community. We could be better and have only a modest improvement (9-7?). Just thinking out loud.
I don't dispute the numbers although you did correct me for what it's worth as pay vs cap hit.
What I don't agree with you is you make it sound like there is no better answers at QB than JB. I don't know what will happen nor do you but I feel there are definitely better options if Ballard is willing to try and hits on them. We know what we have with JB and I doubt that Irsay, Ballard or Reich are not going to try to improve even if it may cost us in the short term. Irsay knows they need to put a more exciting team on the field to excite the fan base. Only time will tell.
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22 minutes ago, WarGhost21 said:
What he got them was barely over .500. If you have a conference in which you can go 7-6 and still get to a bowl game, it's not that great of an achievement
Sounds like you are starting to warm up to him a little. you went from; 'I don’t get the Forum’s infatuation with Love, he flat out isn’t good, extremely overrated.' to 'it’s not that great of an achievement.
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39 minutes ago, Imgrandojji said:
This forum is going to go up like Bikini Atoll when Ballard extends Brissett for 2 years in training camp.
I see a tweener contract, something like 10-12M AAV. Something you can move but gives the player a bit of security.
I'm honestly convinced that Ballard is going to assess Brissett based on the totality of the season, and lend a lot of weight to the relatively strong first half when the team was intact, rather than the second half when the personnel on the field weren't even close to what was planned for.
Meanwhile we're all about the second half because recency bias so we're thinking about Brissett at his worst, after his knee went and most of his pass catchers were in the dispensary. The first half might as well be the 18th century.
Just different criteria for assessment but I suspect Ballard is thinking along these lines for real.
I would be shocked and disappointed in Ballard if he did extend him even though what you are indicating is that he would want to give him a cut in pay from what he is making now.
Ballard made the statement that: " I think as a whole, our passing game has to improve, unequivocally. You have to be able to throw the football to win in this league." Not a great endorsement for the starting QB. Also said he there are some QBs in the draft that they like.
Also said they won't reach for a QB. I think we are really reaching if we think JB can be the answer at QB.
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1 hour ago, WarGhost21 said:
What all that really tells me is that Love hasn’t proven that he has the ability to elevate a team
If I recall he got them to a bowl game.
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3 hours ago, NewColtsFan said:
We’re not PAYING $21.5 mill. It’s the cap hit. But we’re only actually paying roughly half of that which is cheap.
Big difference. The Colts have always negotiated good deals. Nothing has changed.
If you want to get technical it is cap hit but it counts $21.5M whenever it was or is paid. As I understand his contract we could save $9M if he were cut before a certain date. The $9 M is not chump change if we were to keep him as a backup.
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2 hours ago, csmopar said:
we can actually cut him for 0 cap hit as well.. just saying
I reacted to the post that paying a backup QB $10M is a lot of money. Whether it is pay on signing or pay now the hit if I understand it is $21.5M. I also understood that if we were to cut him we would save approximately $9M of the cap. my info may be all wrong.
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2 minutes ago, DougDew said:
I don't think there is any good scenario where we pay our former starting QB $10 mil to be the backup. At least a QB like JB who is young and wants to be a starter....not the Eli situation.
If we acquire a QB that is good enough to be the starter next year, either a vet or a rookie, I think you have to remove JB from the roster almost at the same time.
Its why I've thrown out the scenario of including him in any trade up we make for a rookie or vet. It would make more sense for JB to come into a new team being thought of as the backup right away, and the other team would see that and want him as part of a trade.
Think the price tag is $21.5 if we keep him next year.
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But wait! I thought from reading the posts on Ballard that many experts on this site thought he is a horrible drafter. Also, I thought Ya Sin was a bust!
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22 minutes ago, Colts_Fan12 said:
look at the poster again NCF honestly did you expect anything else from them?? lol it's just another days work for them
Could we possible trade him to another sight, say the Browns, before the trading deadline is up?
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Guess their not willing to take a pay cut.
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No, you' re the one who said there is likely not going to be better. If you are so positive then say there is no chance a rookie will be better.