CoachLite
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Minshew isn't bad, he's just Minshew. Get used to it.
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Put it in neutral and coast the rest of the way. Obviously we aren't getting or developing on-field talent as fast as we must. The GM and coaching staff must be too busy doing other stuff. Players go to other teams and perform much better.
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13 minutes ago, OLD FAN MAN said:
ballard likes gus and his defense
So I take it we lost?
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15 hours ago, coltsva said:
I'd like to know how many referees have been fired due to poor performance. I'm not talking about after a couple of botched calls like in the Colts/Browns game, but rather refs who are consistently sub par. Are they "cut" and replaced with refs from the "referee practice squad?" I honestly have no clue.
There should be a Jerome Boger Trophy given to the refs of the Colts / Browns Game. Boger would sometimes make up rules for his calls. Today, infraction calls are highly subjective (flashing a Peace sign ala Hill's), and the rules actually in the book are meaningless.
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1 minute ago, 2006Coltsbestever said:
I can't remember the last time it took me a week to get over a loss (it is the way we lost because we really won). I even contemplated not watching the rest of the season after the way we got cheated. Since Luck retired 2019-now, when we have lost, I usually get over it by Tuesday night. When Peyton and Luck played and we lost, it would take me until Thursday or Friday to get over it because I always expected to win. Anyway I am over it now and just have to accept we lost last week, nothing will change it. I love football too much to quit watching but I will stand by my opinion that the REFS alter certain games during a season to help other teams. I don't think it is fixed, but altered at times.
To this week, it is a big week because we still have a golden opportunity to salvage the season. If we can get to 4-4, we are in the thick of a Playoff race at that point. Then we play the hapless Panthers next week so despite last week, this isn't over yet.
I voted:
1. Win, you don't tank for a better draft pick unless your season situation shows you have 0% of making the playoffs with a few games left or start 0-8 like in 1997 and 2011. Tanking is a losers mentality.
2. I voted 27-37 (I have the Colts winning 27-20)
3. Colts will win this one, Carr has become an average QB and they have no game changer on defense like Myles is. Their Coaching is suspect as well.
4. I voted, I am not sure.
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The Cleveland game could have been one of the best, most competitive games I've seen in a long, long time. While there were some mistakes, I thought the team played tough and well. The referees ruined it for me, big time.
To the NFL, sorry don't mean ****.
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Not watching the game, but I will be watching how the NFL referees conduct themselves across the league later in the week,
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The difference between the NFL and the WWE 'scripting' is that so many fans now bet on NFL games. Both are entertainment businesses designed to make money for its stakeholders. Even in Vegas, the odds always favor the house, and that becomes the finger on the scales of NFL football, even if it is a very light finger.
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On 10/24/2023 at 5:18 PM, Superman said:
The ref threw a flag because there was PI. Didn't Baker grab the receiver, right in front of the ref? It's not like this was a phantom call, right?
After that, the crew decided the penalty should stand. That's oversight. Maybe that decision was wrong, but even so, we're talking about a technicality that wouldn't even matter if there wasn't actually a penalty to call. So the ref was counting on a potential PI in the end zone?
Side note, but I actually think the ref did the right thing. What usually happens in this situation is the flag is thrown, then they confer, and determine whether the pass should be considered uncatchable. I believe that happened in this case, and the crew decided not to call it uncatchable. So again, I don't think this is a good example of a ref being able to impact a game.
I'm on the record. Good talk.
You have misread the NFL rules. It doesn't matter whether or not Butler interfered with the player. Per NFL Rule 8, Section 5, Article 3(c) it is a permissible play because the pass was uncatchable - it was out of the endzone, therefore no pass interference can be called.
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Just now, Restinpeacesweetchloe said:
Levis will probably be starting for titans Sunday. So we will have 4 of them to compare now:
I hope all of them do well, just AR doing better.
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On 10/16/2023 at 10:40 AM, Restinpeacesweetchloe said:
wow. This should be good for panthers handing it over to a young mind.
Maybe, just maybe, Frank realizes that you can't be a good head coach and call plays at the same time. Or maybe he isn't very good at calling plays. Either way, better late than never.
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1 hour ago, ProblChld32 said:
Well the thing is team officials are not supposed to publicly speak on those conversations with the league. Hopefully Irsay speaking on this doesn’t negatively impact the organization. But I am hoping an expanded play review system will come from this because they really screwed those two calls up.
Apparently they investigate and discipline players who bet on NFL games. Are they doing the same to referees and replay officials? Oh, and historically, how many corrupt union bosses have there been? The referee's union should be investigated as well.
If this nonsense keeps up, might as well make Dylan Mulvaney the Commissioner of the NFL.
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If he can learn from his mistakes (and survive them), Shane may get better. If he can learn from the mistakes of others, better yet.
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6 hours ago, 2006Coltsbestever said:
It wasn't just Pat thinking we got bamboozled. It was most of the media in general that thought so. Dan Patrick, Stephen A Smith, Ryan Clark, Shannon Sharpe for starters. None of those guys are even affiliated with the Colts or had a dog in the fight regarding who won between the Colts and Browns.
The NFL doesn't play by its own rules.
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1 minute ago, Superman said:
So to the bolded, if it's not random, it's purposeful, and doesn't that make it a wide conspiracy?
I guess this would qualify as "probable cause" without declaring it a "conspiracy" beyond all reasonable doubt. That's why I call for an investigation to see if laws were broken. It is obvious that rules of the game were not followed. Doesn't that make you wonder why?
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Like I have said, I'm a referee in a different sport. I have to pass tests regularly to officiate, and I am graded on my performance. Let me assure you that I HAVE to understand ALL the rules of my sport.
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Just now, Superman said:
So your position seems to be that this was a bigger conspiracy than just one ref making a questionable call. Right?
My point is that there are too many blatant failures in succession to be a random event - just mistakes. We fans aren't required to know the NFL Rules like the back of our hand, but NFL Referees, NFL Replay Officials, and NFL Executives must know them very well. Coaches, Front Office and even players should know what actions are permissible, and what aren't.
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5 minutes ago, CoachLite said:
What about: "NFL Rule 8, Section 5, Article 3(c) identifies as a permissible act "[c]ontact that would normally be considered pass interference, but the pass is clearly uncatchable by the involved players.” This seems clearly the case. Maybe the rules only apply to favored teams?
See also NFL Rule 15, Section 1, Article 2(c) "Only the Replay Official or the Senior Vice President of Officiating or his or her designee may initiate a review of a play: (c) " when points are scored by either team;"? It's not all on the referees, but on the NFL Replay Official and the NFL Executives.
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59 minutes ago, Superman said:
So first off, I think Baker committed two penalties right in front of the refs, and they're on video. The holding was a little ticky tack, but he did put his arm around Cooper's waist, and probably slowed him down. The PI was clear and obvious, and the only question is whether the pass should have been catchable or not.
So that means the ref that intended to alter the outcome of the game was waiting for a borderline interference call, at the very end the game? And he counted on none of the other refs stepping in to correct his call?
If you're suggesting a calculated effort to influence multiple games, orchestrated by one person, I think this operation is being executed poorly. Like you said, call a series of subjective holding penalties in a less obvious part of the game. You don't swing the outcome of the game in the final minute. (Also, I think this illustrates why any gambling scandal involving a ref would be based on point spreads and over/under, not on which team is going to win. You have to have the opportunity to influence the game in the first place, and you have to be pretty blatant with your calls.)
I think that game was just an example of not great officiating in a critical moment, and was maybe exacerbated by poor communication from the ref crew, and a weak broadcast team.
Is that fair?
What about: "NFL Rule 8, Section 5, Article 3(c) identifies as a permissible act "[c]ontact that would normally be considered pass interference, but the pass is clearly uncatchable by the involved players.” This seems clearly the case. Maybe the rules only apply to favored teams?
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2 hours ago, Superman said:
And as it pertains to the Colts/Browns game, I don't believe that a ref trying to fix that game for a Browns win outright would make such conspicuous calls at the end of the game, nor do I believe that the rest of the crew or the league office would stand by and let the ref directly impact the outcome of the game. Also, I don't think the calls that were made were as egregious as the outrage would suggest.
Lastly, I have no issues with an investigation into the officiating. I think transparency and accountability are important. But there's no investigation that would satisfy people who already believe the fix is in, unless the results of the investigation reinforce the viewpoint they already hold.
Which brings me back to my initial point. This is an unprovable conspiracy theory, and I don't buy it.
It is impossible to say it is "an unprovable conspiracy theory" until it is adequately investigated by a qualified law enforcement agency.
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There is no integrity to an NFL game as a sport. None! I have more confidence in Lacrosse or Curling.
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The Colts won that game. Just waiting for the NFL to admit it before the FBI starts an investigation.
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On 10/22/2023 at 4:08 PM, csmopar said:
refs counting their rewards after the game
It goes further than just the refs.
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I think the Colts will lose this game 43 to Saints 44. There will be 5 PI calls against the Colts defense, all in the last 4 minutes.
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57 minutes ago, Restinpeacesweetchloe said:
If Ju Ju had not got hurt I imagine colts win this game.
Not with the way the refs called that game. I'm a referee in my sport. I don't mind being corrected by other refs if I make mistake. That's for the good of the game. These clowns are giving referees a bad name.
But I think there is more to the story that we aren't seeing. With NY being able to view and challenge bad play calls, it seems someone has their finger on the scale of these games. There are too many bad calls in favor of 'favored' teams.
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Intelligence needs priority over athleticism. It seems a player can be too athletic.