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    Saturday Signs With Packers [Merge]

    in NFL General

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    Here's to a Packer/Bronco Super Bowl!

    Unless someone is going to throw a lot of money at him, losing Tamme would be foolish.

    Not only is he a proven, young TE that should come relatively cheap, he is also one of our few good special teams players.

    Agreed, Tamme would be a nice piece to keep and looks like cheap. It would take away a big hole, but I would love to get Fleener if he falls to the 2nd.

    When Someone Leaves The Organization, Is It Easier To Evaluate Them Objectively?

    in Colts Football

    Posted

    Amusingly enough, I'm listening to Denver sports radio at the moment, and they just had a caller RIPPING John Elway. Utterly useless player who looked sick in the Super Bowl, never did a thing - it was all Terrell Davis. Wants the team to fire him now - bringing in Peyton is a complete joke.

    People are nuts everywhere. I'm sure there are Montana haters in SF as well. Can you imagine what that city would have been like during the changeover to Young if they had internet access like we do now.

    I think Mannig is GREAT. I am sad to see him go. Denver couldn't have done better IMHO.

    Now let's see if he can return to form...and this Luck kid better be good.

    When Someone Leaves The Organization, Is It Easier To Evaluate Them Objectively?

    in Colts Football

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    So I guess that you are confident that you are incapable of looking objectively at someone when they play for the Colts, so they must be automatically devalued when they leave. Not sure what issues you're working through, but I have no such concerns. I looked at Manning objectively when he was Colt, and I continue to view him objectively now that he is not. It really isn't that hard.

    Ironically I'm trying to read your comments objectively as well, and not conclude that you are accusing me of being a "Manning fan" rather than a Colts fan. That nonsense has been ripping this forum apart. For what it is worth, I've been a Colts fan since 1967-8. Nothing has ever threatened that. I'm choosing to root for Manning wherever he goes (just like I chose to root for Tom Seaver when he was traded to the Reds, and Guy Lafleur when he came to the Rangers, and Patrick Roy when he was traded to the Avalanche, and Edgerrin James when he went to the Cardinals, Danilo Gallinari when he was traded to the Nuggets, and probably a few dozen other examples). I really don't see the need to force yourself to push away someone who has meant a lot to you. It doesn't make you less of a fan of your current team. Sports isn't war, its a game, and if you like someone, then you like them. Why would the uniform change that? Why punish yourself as if pushing them aside is an unpleasant exercise that you have to do to prove your loyalty? Who cares? Just relax and enjoy the games.

    I'm not calling you anything, MAC.

    I have LOTS of issues, you have no idea :)

    When Someone Leaves The Organization, Is It Easier To Evaluate Them Objectively?

    in Colts Football

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    I think that Peyton is the greatest player of his generation without a doubt. Comparing across generations is an exercise in futility. He is certainly ONE of the greatest QBs to ever play the game.

    And in a team game, comparing just super bowl victories is of minimum value. If you "were" (sorry, I just don't get that) a Peyton HUGE fan, than surely you've made his argument a time or two regarding a guy named Tom Brady. Perfect example. Brady's "legend" was born with the 9-0 start to his playoff career and 3 titles. Of course he was little more than a game manager at the time. Since then his record has been similar to Peytons, with a couple of 0-1's of his own - yet ironically he is 10 times the QB that he used to be. Doesn't that tell you something? Not to mention the fact that he couldn't even start for his own team when drafted until being forced in by injury. There is more to a career than simply the Super Bowl.

    Similarly Montana couldn't even start for his team at first, and had four 0-1s of his own. Elway had three 0-1's. He didn't even MAKE the playoffs six times (Manning, Montana and Brady each had two I believe). It's nice that some people dismiss Peyton as just being a regular season QB, but isn't winning in the regular season kind of a prerequisite to being a great playoff QB? As I said, perceptions change over time, and people chose not to remember older QBs failings.

    Perfect example, the Packers/Colts Starr/Unitas were an unending story in the 60s. Like Brady and Montana, Starr won a LOT of championships. Name one person who even utters his name in the same breath as Johnny U? They talk about Lombardi and the Packers defense. (And note that at this point Peyton has made it to the playoffs as many or more times as any of these guys - though Elway and Montana played until 38. That alone is an accomplishment, and his story doesn't seem to be over yet.) If Peyton helps the Broncos leap forward, and gets another SB win, I think that all these silly complaints go away.

    By that time he may also own every significant career QB record - just like Unitas did when he retired. Does that not count for something?

    I was a huge fan. I still like the guy, but he isn't our guy anymore. I am a Colts.

    I live in Louisville, so NFL fandom here is all over the place. I work with people that say they won't follow the Colts anymore.

    Welp, you weren't a Colts fan, you were a Manning fan.

    And it all counts for a lot. I'm just trying to look more objectively at Peyton now that he isn't our guy (like the OP suggested). I once thought PM was the GOAT. Last few years, I began to wonder.

    I sure am glad that Eli won this year, because my work buddy that I talk football with and play FF with, declared that Brady winning his fourth this year would cement him as the GOAT for sure.

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