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I don't know who all Stanford played but USC's defense is fairly highly regarded also the Notre Dame defense was decent this past year atleast in points against and he handled them.
I do know that he played against two teams RG3 played against this year as well and in both cases Luck's team preformed better for whatever that is worth which is probably not much.
USC defense was inconsistent they gave up 40 plus points to Arizona and Arizona State but other then that they didn't face a team with much offense excluding stanford and oregon. I think the only team they faced together was OKST. and Baylor did have a rough first half they had some good drives but just didn't come up with points. If i remember right Griffin threw for over 400 yards and had two TD's and two picks. That was by far his worst game of the year
. If i remember right Blackmon just absolutely dominated baylor's D-fence. As for ND's defense they gave up over 30 points to Air Force, Michigan and USC but played good against michigan st. I still wouldn't call them good though. -
It said at times he did and i would like to know what part of the game he did that in. I already knew Luck was smart and was capable of doing that though. Plus Stanford's whole offense overmatched UCLA's defense so much almost anything would of worked though. Who's to say though that RG3 can't do the same, all the NFL teams will pick these guys brains and determine how much they know. So we will all find out soon if RG3 is capable of it.
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Luck calls his own plays. He doesn't just change the call at the line.
So Stanford doesn't have an offensive cordinator?
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His name is Griffin, not "RG3". This isn't ESPN.
He knows how to read college defenses. That isn't much. How often do we see QB's that win the Heisman but cannot adjust to the NFL?
What tough defenses did Luck read last year?? Plus i wasn't aware that Luck actually read an NFL defense which is why i'm wondering while you didn't put Lucks name with Griffin. Most heisman's had a great team around them when they won the award while griffin will just have one other teammate with him in the NFL.
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Mobility - yep RG3 has a clear edge over Luck.
Arm strength - again RG3 has the edge but Luck's is easily good enough to suffice, so while RG3 wins both are fine.
Accuracy - I give Luck a clear edge on RG3 on short and medium distance. His accuracy is incredible - not taking anything away from RG3 but I don't see any rookie coming close to Luck on accuracy.
Quick release - Luck's release is lightning fast.
Smarts - as you say, you couldn't ask for more off either of them. Both seem like top guys who are both clearly smart.
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Timing - Luck's ability to find a receiver in space away from a corner for yards after excels RG3, especially considering Luck had no real receivers.
Reading the D/Playcalling - Luck was going the way of Peyton in calling several plays from the line and it is one of the things that makes people compare him to #18. RG3, to my knowledge, did nothing of the sort.
Beard - RG3 doesn't even have one. Neckbeard fan or not, it's a fact that some beard > no beard.
Hair - Luck's is plain and boring, RG3 has dreads. Dreads win any day.
Well i guess we just disagree on the accuracy thing, I think it's pretty even. As for reading the D/play calling none of us probably know exactly how much they do, all i know both guys are great at reading defenses. All QB's in college can change plays at the line though, a lot of the time you can tell by how a D lines up that your >>>ed and have to change the play. If RG3 never did that then that's even more impressive to me by how effective he was.
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What you need to do, is take all those Qb"s I have mentioned, along with a few others, Put them in a large boat. Lets call it Noah's Ark. After the great flood subsides, they will be the only QB's left on earth. Then and only then, will they have a chance at being champions of the NFL. Pure poetry! Thats funny, I don't care who you are.
So are you saying that just becuase a QB is really athletic he won't be able to read defenses?
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Still ignoring my post in the Sport Science thread?
On topic, if Luck refuses we trade the pick. If I wasn't so convinced of Luck's abilities I'd be all for trading the pick because we can get a king's ransom for it. I still think RG3 is very good but I don't trust him as much as I do Luck.
Also to Smitto, it's pretty much universally acknowledged Luck is better than Griffin. You can choose to think Griffin is better all you like because that's your opinion, but you can't pretend NFL teams are saying Griffin is better.
I have no problem with who you trust more, that's your opinion. I was just responding to the dumb post that RG3 can't read defenses.
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He won't be a bust, as long as he is not picked too early in the draft. He will be about as good as Vick,cunningham, stewart, McChunky soup boy, shall I go on? Great athletes that cannot read defenses. Does Jeff George come to mind? I thew that one out there to head off the Race Card deployment. But go ahead and set your self free.
Worst post ever. It's laughable if you don't think RG3 can read defenses.
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Yep, not worth the risk. Taking a QB with our first pick should only be done with the utmost confidence in the selection, leaving little room at all for error.
Every 1st pick in the NFL has been a risk! So i guess we should just trade the pick!!
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1. Luck is larger than Griffin thus will be able to make more hits without being injured.
2. Luck comes from a pro-style offense, while Griffin comes from a Spread Offense. Therefore Luck will make an easier transition.
3. Being from a pro-style offense, Luck will be able to go through his progressions better and not rely on a single receiver to get open.
4. Luck has a quicker release than Griffin. Much quicker.
5. Luck calls his own plays and can adjust accordingly at the LOS.
1. It's hard to tell which player will get hurt more, i don't see Drew Brees ending up on injury reports a lot while Big Ben is always banged up.
2.This is your only valid point, but were not sure what our offense is going to look like in the future it will depend on who they resign. The defense will be attempted to be changed to a 3-4 by the hiring of the D-cordinator. When all is said and done this offense could favor RG3 over Luck.
3. By this statement i can tell you didn't watch very many baylor games, at the first of the season he went to wright a lot but when teams started paying more attention to him RG3 went through his progression and hit other recievers with great accuracy.
4. Much quicker no, a little quicker yes.
5. I like how people try to make it sound like that Luck is the only QB in college football that changes plays at the line or make checks. Heres a news flash for you every college QB does it.
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Every scouting report has Luck as more accurate, and more intelligent due to his ability to read defenses and change plays accordingly. Sounds like you are jamming your opinion in there. If someone is more accurate on a long ball, it doesn't mean they are more accurate overall. Short to intermediate Luck is extremely accurate.
Lucks 2 biggest weaknesses are arm strength and mobility but even as weaknesses they are still very good. Much like Manning who doesn't have amazing arm strength or mobility. Lucks mobility is much better than Mannings though.
Copied this from Walterfootballs website:
Griffin earned his Heisman Trophy and truly was the best player in college football this season as he led Baylor to a 10-win season. Griffin carried Baylor to thrilling wins over Oklahoma, Kansas and TCU. He has displayed a very strong arm and good mobility. His accuracy was phenomenal on passes to the short, intermediate, and deep part of the field. In 2011, Griffin completed 72 percent of his passes for 4,293 yards with 37 touchdowns and six interceptions. He has also rushed for 699 yards and 10 touchdowns. His decision-making was superb.
He even had a better completion % last year then Luck
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Not at all.
Alabama, Arkansas, Ole Miss, Vanderbilt, Miss State, South Carolina and LSU all had some average to bad defenses at times when Manning was there.
Even today there are quite a few teams in the SEC that have average D (Auburn, Ole Miss, and Kentucky were all pretty bad. Arkansas and UT were average).
Also Manning never faced anything in the SEC like Alabama and LSU from this season. Those were historically good defenses.
The SEC is typically the best conference. Dont get me wrong. It was also pretty good when Manning was there. But being in the SEC does not automatically mean you play good defense and are a good team contrary to what SEC fans (usually of the awful SEC teams) and media lead people to believe.
Like I said. He faced better defenses than Luck. I dont dispute that. Its not like Manning was lining up against the 2001 Ravens every week in college.
Still all of those defenses were still better then Oregon and USC's defenses are now, which were the two best D's he faced this year. even though USC defense didn't even start playing good until later in the season.
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He did face better defenses but the SEC wasnt quite the monster it is today. It was still a good conference though.
All the SEC teams had good defenses besides kentucky lol
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Give me reasons why you think RG3 is better and i'll give you reasons why Luck is better.
Mobility
RG3 > Luck - In a lot of cases Luck would win this but not against RG3.
Arm Strength- Once again Luck has a good arm but RG3 has an absolute cannon.
RG3 > Luck
Accuracy- Both are really accurate but RG3 has shown pin-point accuracy on the deep bombs which Luck didn't have to throw so i won't knock him on that.
RG3 = Luck
Quick release- RG3 was consitantly under more pressure then Luck all year do to his horrible O-line and seemed to get ball out fast but luck will still take this one.
RG3 < Luck
Smarts- both are extremely smart and have great character.
RG3 = Luck
To me this is a very close race if you have other categories to add please do. I never said RG3 was a lot better then Luck i just think he deserves to be mentioned in the same breath as the all mighty Luck.
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Luck is a better QB than RG3 i really don't see how anybody can make the argument that he's not. Luck plays in a pro-style offense while RG3 plays in a spread offense.Not to mention the fact that Luck had no receivers last season to throw to.
You're right Luck had no help at all last year lol. Lets not mention he had the best O-line, a top 5 running game and the best duo of TE's in the nation. Owusu and Whalen were decent too. What did RG3 have??? oh yeah only one person Kendall Wright.
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By out- performed I assume you mean they had better stats. And everybody knows that stats are useless when judging a college QB.
Maybe you shouldn't assume things becuase i don't even know the stats of the 3 players that i'm talking about. I have came up with all this by watching the games and seeing the throws that were made in tough situations. From what i watched last season Matt Barkley was the best QB adjusting to defenses while it took Luck a little longer to catch on. Some of you guys need to go back and watch the games of all 3 QB's. Luck was pretty good last year but Barkley one upped him. The best pure passer was RG3 this guy has a cannon and was deadly accurate.
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I'm just stating that was the case last year that RG3 and Barkley out performed Luck last year. For the career though Luck has been the best college QB and that's why he will probably be the 1st pick. I'm willing to bet though that a handful of teams will have RG3 higher on their boards then Luck. Tony Dungy even said he would draft RG3 over Luck right now. Maybe i went over the top saying it was fact but just my opinion, sorry for that guys.
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I'm glad Luck is being humble and not calling himself the best thing since sliced bread like most colts fans are calling him already. This attitude will drive him to become the best QB he can be. Kudos to you Mr. Luck
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Have you not watched Luck in college? He reads defenses and changes plays accordingly, audibling etc. Maybe not as quite as much as Manning but he has shown he can do it.
He has done it in college football against average defenses, the best defense he played last year was Oregons defense and they aren't even considered that good. It's also a fact that Luck was the 3rd best college QB last year behind RG3 and Matt Barkley. It just annoys me that people are crowning him to be just as good as Peyton already and he hasn't even played an NFL game. I'm no way a Luck hater, i think he will have a good NFL career. I just like having realistic expectations.
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My god this guy is impressive. I don't know how someone (number28) could say he's going to be a bust.
Imagine; a guy who can run like Tebow, disect defenses like Peyton, throw like Favre, shake defenders in the backfield like Roethlesberger, and make one handed catches like Fitzgerald. As much as I love Pmoney, Luck will make the transition easy on us.
Where did you here he can disect defenses like Peyton and throw like Favre?? Peyton is probably the best QB in NFL history at disecting defenses and Favre threw the ball so hard that he would hurt his recievers hands. Luck has yet to prove either one of these points yet. People just need to lower their expectations for Luck a little bit or they are going to be really dissapointed. The odds are he will turn out to be a good QB like Matt Ryan, that's where my expectations are.
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Look at the thread I made, the ultimate scouting report. It mentions the "slow wobbly balls" as a weak point but explains why that doesn't really matter.
The slow wobbly balls come from how quick he releases the ball. If he made a full throwing motion i'm sure he would be able to fire it in there.
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I lol at them comparing Lucks 66% completion percentage to Mannings 62.9%. I guess they forgot to mention that Manning faced a lot better defenses then Luck since Luck didn't even face one this whole year.
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The whole reason i became a Colts fan was becuase they drafted Manning. So if Manning was facing the Colts in the Superbowl, i would pull for Manning until he retires. Once Manning retires though the Colts would become my #1 team again.
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I'm seeing the Seahawks, Dolphins and Cardinals as the leaders.
. If i remember right Blackmon just absolutely dominated baylor's D-fence. As for ND's defense they gave up over 30 points to Air Force, Michigan and USC but played good against michigan st. I still wouldn't call them good though.
With The Combine Coming Up... Luck Or Rg3
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RG3 is most likely going to light up the combine and make the decision even tougher for the Colts. I will be interested to see how much Luck paticipates though since he has the most to lose. The way i look at it is RG3 has the most upside of any QB ever for how strong and accurate he is and can run in the low 4.4s. On the other hand Luck is probably the most pro ready prospect at the QB position and is good in all phases of the game. What i want to see from RG3 is how comfortable he is taking snaps from under center and if he's capable of running an offense like Luck. From what i've heard RG3 is extremely smart and even though people try to knock him on this maybe he is really good at both. I guess we will soon find out.