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    For fun something to think about

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    9 hours ago, superrep1967 said:

    I think he takes Bowers. IMO Bowers jis a  type player Ballard likes.We haven’t had anyone close to him since Doyle retired. 

    I think having a big target that is more beneficial to a developing QB.

    Will Mahomes be viewed as a better all time QB than Peyton if he wins this years SuperBowl?

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    54 minutes ago, chad72 said:

     

    Yeah, you say JuJu had a solid year and turn around and say Manning made Harrison while ignoring Mahomes made JuJu and got him his ridiculous 3 year contract with the Patriots.

     

    Toney is not an NFL caliber WR, if you bothered to study his work ethic and abilities, just a razzle dazzle east-west punt returner type who doesn't know to run routes and doesn't have discipline that despite all the leeway Andy Reid gave him, Toney still didn't know how to run routes that he resulted in pick sixes and INTs with balls that hit him in his hands. No wonder the Giants were ready to give up on him and he was a healthy scratch this SB. His notable plays obviously was a punt return in the Eagles SB, which is all that he is suited for. He is what you call an "athlete without much between his ears".

     

    Absolutely shows your bias and lack of depth of understanding the players you quote. Marvin had a super high floor and ceiling as a first rounder, and ran circles around every DB he faced. Even with a QB worth 50-75% of Peyton, Marvin would have still been a Pro Bowler.

     

    I can't argue with your bias.

    Please show me where I said the QB makes the WR. I asked you to consider the impact the QB has. Please don’t put words in my mouth.

     

    It’s interesting that you say JuJu was made by Mahomes (in one season) even though he didn’t even come close to the best year he had with Ben in Pittsburgh.  

     

    And Toney may not be an NFL caliber receiver but Blair White wasn’t either (as indicated by his only being in the league for two years). Toney has had twice as many starts as White.

     

    Also please indicate where I said Harrison wouldn’t have been good? I specifically stated he was good in those first two years without him. Manning comes along and he is taken to another level (see that’s that whole impact the QB makes I was talking about).

     

    I’m more than happy to discuss opinions but insulting someone is not conducive to discussion. If you’re unable to keep from being this way then we can end it here.

    Will Mahomes be viewed as a better all time QB than Peyton if he wins this years SuperBowl?

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    5 hours ago, chad72 said:

     

    Terry Bradshaw? Only this year would qualify for a Terry Bradshaw because of the Chiefs D but still Peyton had his best D in 2005 and still stunk it vs the Steelers while Mahomes seized opportunities to be clutch. 

     

    He won the last 2 SBs without Tyreek Hill, not a single All Pro WR for 2 of his 3 SBs. But then, I do remember based on your history, and conversation before the first Chiefs vs 49ers SB distinctly that you were never a fan of his style of play or the hype he got. I am definitely not expecting any praise of Mahomes from your end. The fact that you even admitted that we can have a nuanced discussion is a miracle, IMO. :) 

     

    Manning got shortchanged by Bill Polian and Tony Dungy on a few fronts with the roster construction on D and special teams, no doubt but it was Manning that played with All Pro WRs for pretty much his ENTIRE playoff career. 

     

     

    Terry Bradshaw was used as an example of a QB benefitting greatly from their surroundings. Like coaching, which I specifically mentioned.
     

    While not an all-pro, he did have Smith-Schuster who had a pretty solid year. And let’s not forget Kelce who had career highs or nearly for 2022.
     

    Had you ever considered the QB has a significant impact on their WRs? Harrison for example was good but not great until after Manning arrived. First year together and Harrison played 12 games. After that, his numbers explode.

     

    Compare Blair White and Kadarius Toney. Manning got more out of Blair White than Mahomes has gotten out of Toney. 


    Why is it a miracle? I said prior to his first SB win that he needed to prove himself. He has.  But I’m still not ready to anoint him and fanboy all over his junk. Hence, why I’m having this conversation and pointing out he’s had a lot of things go his way to begin a career. Something very few players in the QB role get. 

    Will Mahomes be viewed as a better all time QB than Peyton if he wins this years SuperBowl?

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    Prior to this Super Bowl I’d say it was easily Manning over Mahomes. After this past Sunday, I’d say we now can have a more nuanced discussion.

     

    Mahomes has never had to battle any real adversity. This was the first year he didn’t have all pro WRs and it showed in the regular season. Post season, he was a slight return to form in the first two games but played pedestrian (as compared to his previous excursions). The defense really shone this year in the post season and had an outsized effect on their success.

     

    Mahomes has a great coach in Andy Reid and up until this past season has had plenty of offensive help.

     

    I think we need to let more play out to determine how great he is. He has a lot going for him with his situation in KC. Let’s revisit this when he has a new HC and the burdens of paying for legit players continues. The question should be is he a Terry Bradshaw or a Joe Montana?

    Superbowl game

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    1 minute ago, IndyEV said:

    The only good thing about this game is now maybe the national media will start calling Mahomes the Goat instead of that * TB12!

    Ugh but Kermit is just as bad. Well his wife is, he’s alright. But the Kelce and Swift business partnership being plastered everywhere is gonna be awful

    Superbowl game

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    Just now, GoColts8818 said:

    Or Kelce is an elite player and sometimes elite players make huge plays.

    You don’t think a double is warranted on one of their elite receivers? They pooped the bed on that one

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