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Wr free agency
Just like most graduates coming out of college these recievers are lacking experience. Often times the job goes to the person whom has already worked in a similar or same role. This Free Agency look at the WRs is just that. It doesn't necessarily mean we shouldn't draft a WR early but acknowledges that these guys have already proven to be some type of commodity at the NFL level.
The Classic no. 2 WR
These guys can play on the outside or inside. They exhibit the ability to take over for a stretch of time and take pressure off of the no. 1 WR. Adam Thielien , Robert Woods and JuJu Smith Schuster has proven a that the classic no. 2 can take the offense to new heights.
Devin Funchess 6'4 235lbs 24 years old
Funchess has a great frame to box out and run the fade. He has strong hands, a wide catching radius and good body control when the ball is in the air. This pass year he proved he couldn't continue his success as the no. 1 wr in Carolina.
Best Trait: Box out ability/getting open on broken plays
Worst Trait: Not a no. 1 WR
John Brown 5'11 180lbs 28 years old
Brown has the speed to take the top off the defense while also displaying the heart to run the intermediate routes. He could take some of the strain off of TY going vertical during the season.
Best trait: Speed/Yards after catch
Worst Trait: Height
Devante Parker 6'3 210lbs 25 years old
Jay Cutler said "Parker is the faster version of Alshon Jefferies". That statement somes up his career, he has so much potential. Can Reich unlock Parker upside similar to Ebron. I almost put him in the rebound group but the least amount of games he played in a season is 11 games.
Best Trait: Potential
Worst Trait: Potential/Health
Robby Anderson 6'3 190lbs 25 years old
Robby was a undrafted free agent out of Temple. He has fought his way into the starting lineup for the Jets. Providing excellent speed and ball tracking. Even though he is widely known for his vertical threat he has a good route tree.
Best Trait: Ball tracking
Worst Trait: Off field issues and Restricted Free Agent
The Chain Movers
These guys mostly play in the slot. Providing a safety net and picking up those 3/4 yard 3rd down plays that keeps the drive going. Jarvis Landry, Julian Eldeman and more has proven the value of the slot WR.
Justin Hardy 5'10 190lbs 27 years old
A sure handed possession reciever. Hardy is a decent blocker for his size. He also returns kick and punts. He hasn't found away to catch 25 balls in a season.
Best Trait: Multiple usage
Worst trait: Speed and Lack of Volume Slot WR only
Cole Beasley 5'8 175lbs 29 years old
Beasley has proven to be a hustle player. He outworks LB and Safetys out of the slot. Volume reciever who averaging close to 60 catches a year through the pass 3 seasons.
Best Trait: Volume catcher, chain mover
Worst Trait: Age, size
Jordan Matthews 6'3 215lbs 26 years old
Jordan has two 8 tds season. Throughout his career he has avg at least 11 yards per catch. His usage has dropped tremendously but has experience in the offense that Reich runs.
Best Trait: Age
Worst Trait: His arrow has been pointing down sense his sophomore season
The Rebound guy
These guys are seen as a bust because of where they were drafted. They have shown enough ability to stick on a team but has failed to even secure a spot as the no. 3 WR. Guys like Cris Cater, Keenan McCardell and Eric Moulds had their best careers away from the team drafted them.
Justin Hunter 6'4 200lbs 27 years old
Justin is a long speedy reciever. He's been labeled a bust for where he was drafted (2nd round). Justin has shown glimpse but really has only been a wr 3 at most so far.
Best Trait: Athletic ability
Worst Trait: Isn't a great route runner, not a volume catcher
Brashaud Perriman 6'2 210lbs 25 years old
Perriman is a speedster. His height, speed and jump ball ability gives him elite qualities. His health on the othet hand has been underwhelming.
Best Trait: Speed
Worst Trait: Health, inconsistent hands
Kevin White 6'3 215lbs 26 years old
Kevin White has been missing in action since he was drafted.
Best Trait: Potential
Worst Trait: Injuries
Laqoun Treadwell 6'2 215lbs 23 years old
Laqoun is a good route runner and a natural cather. He is a willing blocker and can work from the outside or inside. Unfortunately he is slow and doesn't create much seperation.
Best Trait: Blocking ability, Natural catcher, Age
Worst Trait: Lack of actual playtime even though he was healthy
Likes, Dislikes, contract estimates, Do any of these guys fit our scheme, needs and team personality, and whats the likelihood we sign any of these guys (do your best Chris Ballard impression)?
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Anthony Barr LB
Shane Ray DE
David Irving DT
Two out of the three won't break the bank Barr will be the most expensive. And if the safety market is low we could grab HaHa on a 1 or 2 year deal. These 4 guys would make a hell of a impact
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Preston Williams 6'4 WR from Colorado State. I wrote a little bit about him would like to get a different set of eyes on this cat. I think he is a solid 4th rounder
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Not a ohio state fan.... sorry you assumed that and came into this negatively....
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1 hour ago, DougDew said:
Its annoying when Ohio State fans try to talk seriously about the draft.
Need a Snickers, your not yourself when your hungry
Thanks for participating First
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2 hours ago, MikeCurtis said:
Thanks for putting together
Its quite a bit complex (extremely) for this time of the year, and its interesting that you are guessing on the 2nd round pick, but not guessing on the first round pick.
But....... I think you are correct in that there will be trades to move up to get Haskins
I think the UT DE, will be available in 3rd
I left it blank so that you guys could fill in the 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th and 7th pick. I know everyone love doing fanspeak. So I guess this is a tougher version like a RPG lol
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The Colts War Room: Mock Draft
I wanted to do a different simulation. Most of us love the draft season. Some of us do Mocks. 100 percent of us are wrong when do these drafts but its fun. One thing I wanted to do is point out its a team effort when drafting. There are scouts, offensive and defensive coaches, GM etc. So I wanted to try to simulate that. Below is a Mock draft a few picks are already penciled in by a few of the staff members I mentioned above. Your task is to draft around those choices to complete our draft.
1. *Trade* Raiders select Dwayne Haskins QB
Arizona recieves the no. 4 pick and the Bears 1st round pick, 3rd round pick and both raiders 5th round picks
Raiders recieves no. 1 pick, cardinals 4th round pick and Hassan Reddick
2. 49ers: Nick Bosa
3. Jets: Jonah Williams
4. * Arizona: Clelin Ferrell
5. Tampa Bay: Josh Allen
6. New York Giants: Quinnen Williams
7. Glitter Kitties: Ed Oliver
8. Lions: Rashan Gary
9. Buffalo: Greg Little
10. Denver: Greedy Williams
11. Bengals: Devin White
12. Green Bay: Monteaz Sweat
13. Miami: Drew Lock
14. Atlanta: Deandre Baker
15. *Trade* Raiders: D.K Metcalf
Washington recieves David Carr and the Cowboys 1st round pick, and Karl Joesph
Raiders recieves the 14th pick, this year and next year 2nd round pick, Ruben Foster and Josh Norman
The Gruden brothers help each other out
16. Panthers: Brian Burns
17. Browns: N'Keal Harry
18. Vikings: Jeffery Simmions
19. Titans: Jachai Polite
20. Pittsburgh Steelers: Bryan Murphy
21. Eagles: Dexter Lawrence
22. Colts: ???
2nd round Jets
Charles Omenihu DE Texas 6'6ft 275lbs
(Coach Eberflus pounded the table for a long defensive lineman)
A behemoth of a man who can play inside and out on the defensive line. Margus Hunt may have played himself outside of a contract that Ballard is willing to pay. Charles does a excellent job setting the edge and stopping the run. This past year his sack total jumped from 4 to 9.5 sacks. In a division with Fournette, Hyde, Lewis and Henry his ability to stop the running game will be much welcome. This guy athletic ability should be on display during combine causing him to shoot up draft boards.
2nd Colts
3rd Colts
4th Colts
4th Colts compensation pick:
Preston Williams WR 6'4 200lbs
(Coach Sirianni said this kid reminded him of Tyrell Williams)
This guy could have the ability of a Martavis Bryant. He is a long WR with history in track (ran for the Colorado). He is dynamic when he has the ball in his hands and at times make the circus catch that we will see on espn. He needs to work on routes (I believe Reich can scheme him open) and he does body catch (doesn't necessarily drop the ball so a catch is a catch) I see him coming in pushing Fountain for that last wr spot. A acl injury, transfering from Tennessee as well as some trouble with the Law is why he drops here.
5th Jake Bentley QB 6'2 220lbs
(Coach Reich would like a QB to groom and possibly flip and this gives Chris freedom to flip JB either in the draft or if there is a training camp injury)
Bentley has the arm, surprisingly mobile and the balls to try to squeeze it into tight windows. The latter part (decision making) and his throwing mechanics drop him. He thinks he's Brett Favre and doesn't trust his line often rolling out or making bone headed mistakes instead of stepping up in the pocket.
6th Zach Gentry TE 6'8 255lbs
(Tom Manning see's potential in this guy and think he can teach him how to block. Doyle isn't getting any younger this could be a stash player on the pratice squad)
This guy will be the get off the bus specimen all star. Zach has decent hands and deceptive speed. Right now his go to is verticles but he provides a huge redzone target (waiting for vertical). If Tom can get this guy to block he would be like a extra lineman with his height and NFL weight.
7th
So who will you choose with your 5 remaining picks? I threw in the Raiders trades to spice this up, and personally pick players that I felt was a fit or to good to pass up for my mock draft. Willing to explain/ discuss why I pick who for what team.
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Miles Sanders from Penn State
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I present to you 3 different topics, questions or statements intended to generate good convo...
1st down: TY Hilton is our no.1 WR...... why so mad?
2016 lead the NFL in yards
2nd best WR in the Division
Top 20 WR in the league
36 career TDs
Outside of Alshon Jefferies whom TY is tied with no other WR from his draft has more TDs then him.
Is it TY height?
Like I stated above he has the same amount as a 6'3 WR.
Leadership style?
WR seems to be a eccentric position on the field. He has a subtile and in my opinion loveable celebration. He has never had a outburst on the sidelines. TY hasn't held out and only had one me 1st moment when he threw the offensive line under the bus and even so he apologize for it. He comes in gets the job done and for the most part he is a team first guy.
So why are we so angry?
2nd down: Collateral damage
We are a quarter into the season and some of these coach's seats are getting warm. Most times when a coach or/and GM gets fired there is alot of collateral damage, whether that's a player (old gm drafted, or they don't fit new system) or coaching staff some people are left out to dry. Who would you like to pouch from some of these teams.
Cleveland Browns
Dallas Cowboys
Houston Texans
Atlanta Falcons
New York Jets
Seattle Seahawks
3rd down: Million dollar man
This isn't the sexiest FA class but Ballard may have to break the bank open. Here are a few names I would like for us to target.
Tyrrell Williams WR 6'4
Connection is our offensive coordinator whom was San Diego WR coach for 2 years.
Eli Rodgers WR 5'10
A younger and cheaper Ryan Grant
Anthony Barr LB 6'5
The most expensive piece of the free agency
David Irving DT 6'7
This is a cheap gamble that could work with our defensive coordinator being familiar with him from his time in Dallas.
Darqueze Dennard CB 5'11
Under valued CB that could be a steal
Sam Young RT 6'6
A swing tackle who could pave the way for whomever we draft
Dion Jordan DE 6'6
I really wanted Frank Clark but he was out of our price range since we got Anthony Barr. Jordan has a load of potential and could strive in our defense as a rotational piece.
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I don't know how to feel about this gamble... Didn't the Saints give up 2 first rounders for their pick this year? If so and depending on who else they threw in I'm calling this a win for the Bears and the AFC QBs lol
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Farley would start for them…..
Grant would be a no.3 behind Cooper and Nelson so basically a check down guy. A QB friend on 3rd down a decent to good check down guy. Who is on a one year contract same as Farley because they will pay Cooper next year.
3 2nd round picks is nothing to sneeze at the Jets might be close to a 1st round pick. Its a record setting deal with the picks and number of players we are sending for 1 and a possible impact player. Depending on trades this could give them 3 starters this year and 3 to 5 starters in the future. But this is just my perspective. Martavis Bryant is a high risk I do agree and taking that head ache/ possible suspension is not Ballard m.o with this team but at 1 year I wouldn't mind him pulling trigger. Best no.2 TY and Luck ever had and this gives Bryant the opportunity to be something he hasn't been.... a no. 2 wr -
How do u feel about this trade is it to little, just enough or a win win for us?
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How about 3 2nd round picks (2 this year and 1 next) Matthias Fairley, Jon Simon and ryan Grant
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Khalil Mack
Martavis Bryant
And a 5th round pickRaiders get a great no. 3 WR, a starter at Safety and a cheap gap player in Simon until Adren Key is ready to take over. Also they get 3 2nd round draft picks which can be gold for a team against the cap.
We get Mack but take a huge risk on Bryant staying clean. If he does then we risk him leaving for big money. I think the 3 2nd rounders may set us back but its definitely worth the risk.
Not a win win trade but imo this should get it done addressing multiple draft picks and positions for raiders and giving us one and a possible impact player and a sneaky 5th round pick where Ballard has been hitting home runs.
And maybe flipping both our 5th round picks for Jamie Collins but thats another day and topic
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I'd rather try to sign Javon Wims from the bears or trade for Devante Parker from the Dolphins
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44 minutes ago, shastamasta said:
I am intrgued by Parker. Very talented WR who has been disappointing thus far. Watched most of his college games at the U of L...and he was easily the best player on the field.
But James doesn't have value in a trade. He only has one year of control and he costs $9.3M this season. Cap space isn't an issue for the Colts, but it is for MIA. They are right up against the cap. They can't really afford to keep James this season, let alone re-sign him. But his cap hit is guaranteed, so they can't release him either, unless they designation him a June 1 cut and push half of that deap cap hit to next season.
They have to find someone willing to trade for James and his cap hit, since that team will be taking on $9.3M. Not an easy thing to do at this point. The Colts are in a prime position to help them with that, however, MIA has no real leverage and apparently no real market...otherwise I assume James is traded by now.
And I think Ballard would certainly use that to his advantage. I think he would look at this trade as getting one interesting young WR (if he likes Parker) and taking on some cap space for an expensive OL flyer. I think he would take them both, but I don't see him valuing that more than he would possible early picks this year and next.
Interesting perspective. One thing to consider is the 5th year option for Parker.
Even if James walk we should recieve a comp pick and he gives Luck some security. On the other hand if he flashes and gets hurt wr can try to bring him back on a cheap deal like Mewhort.
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The thing I think we may be overlooking is that draft picks aren't guaranteed. They also take time to develop, James is a proven commodity at the right tackle position. Parker has shown his worth when healthy with far less talented QBs.
Chubb would have went somewhere in the range of Barnett last year. I'm ok with rolling the dice on Davenport when you insert these 2 starters. Also willing to pass on Nelson for a pairing of Wynn and James.
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40 minutes ago, MikeCurtis said:
The draft hits some need points
Davenport scares me a bit, and I would grab Landry ahead of him, if he is still on the board
AND........ Edwards, Smith, Ward are al off the table, which could happen
I LOVE Hurst and Wynn in 2nd
Deano
I see similarities between him and Anash from the lions. Heis long and athletic like Lawrence from the Cowboys and his skill set should be maximized by our defensive coordinator.
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44 minutes ago, WoolMagnet said:
I just dont see the value Miami would give us. I'm not overly enthused about this scenario.
if we got 3 #2s to move from 3 to 6, i would want a deal more like buffalo could give . I would only move from 6 to 11 if miami also offered a couple 2s (at least) along with #11. A couple 3s , or less dont cut it for me. Now Buffalo's 12, 22, and a 2 and 3.... sign me up.
WE hold the cards, not Miami or Buffalo.
Appreciate the read. I think I put more value into the James and Parker aspect of the deal. James is a solid RT and he is young. Parker was compared to Alshon Jeffery last year by Cutler. I think Ballard really wanted Jeffrey last year and I know Reich knows how to use a player like him. Will they want to get paid, probably but I trust that Ballard will make sure they earn it.
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54 minutes ago, LJpalmbeacher2 said:
So thats our haul, a 4th and 2 potential comp picks?
If they play well they will want get paid big bucks and ballard will probably choose not to pay them.
If they don't play well we won't want them back.
I think with Mayfield on the board we should be able to do better than that.
Next year 2nd round pick as well. The dolphins should be picking pretty close to the top next year. This haul gives us a solid line and a possibility of a big body reciever with Parker. I looked at the Cincinnati Bengals and Bills swap when coming up with this scenario. Maybe I did shoot a little low
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36 minutes ago, NewColtsFan said:
For what it's worth....
AC has TWO years left on his contract.
He's not a FA until 2020.
I over looked that and probably would change the 4th round pick to something else
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The no. 6 pick for Miami no. 11 pickWe get J'uwan James OT miami dolphins and Devante Parker two 4ths this year and a 2nd next year.Why Dolphins do the trade with usJ'uwan James is a former 1st round pick who is rated as a top 20 at his position, but went down with injury and was replaced by a cheaper option.Devante Parker is a former 1st round pick who hasn't performed up to his draft position. The Dolphins just signed a few wr and using Parker to move up to get a QB is better than waiting on a comp pick.Dolphins choose Baker Mayfield at 6th and uses this trade to stay in front of the Bills and Cardinals for a QB.Why do we do the tradeJ'uwan James is a plug and play at the right tackle. If he leaves I believe we get a comp pick but if he stays we have options next year with AC being a free agent. Could James play left tackle I don't know but replacing 1 tackle is easier than 2.Devante Parker is a riddle to me. He has alot of talent and hasn't played with anyone close to Luck as far as QBs go. He is in a contract season and he should ball out if he wants that contract. Regardless we get a comp pick next year should he not work out and Luck gets a weapon this year.Worst case scenario these 2 players turn into a 3rd and 5th round comp pick which gives us. Two 4ths this year, 2nd, 3rd and a 5th next year to move down 5 spots.1. Marcus Davenport DE2. Maurice Hurst DT2. Isiah Wynn OG2. Jerome Baker LB3. Chad Thomas DE4. Fred Warner LB4. Alex Cappa OT4. Kallen Ballad RB5. Issac Yiadom CB6. Antonio Callaway WR7. Kamryn Pettway RB (practice squad)3rd A whole lot of Blue chip players:We give both coordinators flexibilityRB (Mack, Turbin, Ballage. Micheals, Pettway)WR (TY, Parker, Grant, Rodgers, Callaway)OL (AC, Mewhort, Kelly, Slauson, James, Wynn, Good, Clark, Heag)DL (Sheard, Badham, Woods, Steward, Ridgeway, Anderson, Davenport, Thomas, Hurst, Freeney)Jerome Baker, Fred Warner along with Anthony Walker makes a young athletic LB core.
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Whats the hate for Sumlin? I was trying to think outside the box and they do have the A&M connection (Ballard and Sumlin). Just want to hear why there's so many no's...
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Ballard has been busy getting his personnel together for his reign as GM. I haven't seen to many Pagno sympathizers as of late and I really believe this is a lame duck year for him. I put together some options Ballard could put together to usher in a new era.Head Coach
Kevin Sumlin
The A&M coach has ties to Indy graduating from Jesuit Preparatory School. He is a creative offensive coach. He has succeeded at every level, making his start by helping crafting a offensive scheme to help Drew Brews become a top QB in the big ten. He had stints as offensive coordinator of the Sooners before becoming a head coach of Houston. He lead them to a 12-0 start before losing conference championship and accepting a job at A&M. The 1st year the aggies switch to the SEC he lead his team to a 11-2 record. The SEC is known to be bigger stronger and faster. He was able to out coach his opponents and manage the game well enough to compete and finish 2nd in the SEC.
How he fits with the Colts:
Luck seems to excel in the no huddle fast tempo pace offense that Sumlin can bring. A&M has been outstanding at putting nfl ready offensive lineman into the league. His adaptability has seen him being successful with the likes of Johnny Manziel and losing 2 QBs due to transfer in under a month and still being able to turn out a 8-5 record.
Offensive coordinators options
Darryl Drake
Cardinals WR coach
We all loved Bruce Arians letting Luck air it out. Drake has worked big bodied with Marshall and Alshon Jefferys in Chicago. He came to Arizona and worked with smaller recievers JJ Nelson and John Brown. Regardless of their size he focus on blocking on the 2nd level which has helped Matt Forte and David Johnson put up sensational numbers.
Bill Musgrave
Broncos QB coach
The former offensive coordinator of the Raiders helped Derek Carr take a big step forward. He help revitalize Crabtree career, and utlized Cooper talent straight out of college so he could become a top 20 WR. He has been apart of pro bowl seasons of Derek Carr, Matt Ryan and Micheal Vick.
Bill Callahan
Washington offensive line coach
Callahan was the architect of the Dallas Cowboys line. He took the Raiders to the Superbowl against Gruden Tampa bay. He provides great knowledge and playoffs experience.
Defensive coordinators
Mike Pettine
Once known as Rex Ryan right hand guy, his 3-4 defenses are known to attack. He isn't just limited to 3-4 defenses, while coaching the Bills he ran a multiple scheme defense. Often making week to week and even in game adjustments to the defense alignments. He help Kiko Alonso make a name for himself and found a way to utlize Jerry Hughes when we couldn't. He has head coaching experiences with the Browns where his defense had 21 interceptions and finished 2nd in turnovers.
Winston Moss
Assistant Head Coach Packers
He is the assistant head coach and LBs coach of the Packers. There are only few teams that always seems to be well prepared and the Packers win or lose are one of them. He worked hand in hand to shape the defense with Don Capers. He developed AJ Hawk and Clay Matthews (both as OLB and ILB). He help transform Julius Peppers from 4-3 DE to a 3-4 OLB. His development of players and discipline/preparation of his defense would be a change from the current regime
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*mad scientist
NFL Potential Storylines 2019
in NFL General
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A look around the NFL and some good story lines for 2019. I know we are locked in on Free Agency and the draft but here is a quick escape from the norm. How many of these can come true, what are the ripple effects of these moves? Do any of these scare you or changes our chance at winning a Superbowl?
1. Antonio Brown to the Packers for (New Orleans) 1st round pick
A-Rod gets his best weapons yet. Adams and Brown skills will make them the best WR tandom in the NFL. A new coach and playbook will make Green Bay a force again in the NFC north. This move surpass what the Bears and the Vikings did last season.
2. A Brotherly Trade (Derek Carr to the Redskins)
We seen the Harbaoughs pull this off with Boldin moving from the ravens to the 49ers for a 6th round pick. The Grudens will not be out done.
Raiders give up
Derek Carr
1st round pick this year (Cowboys)
For
Josh Norman
1st round pick
2nd round pick this and next year
3. Sean Payton to the Cowboys
Sean Payton contract is up, The Saints don't have many draft picks and went all in this year. Drew Brees is a year older and there is no No. 2 WR in sight. Payton cash in and get a 10 year contract similar to Gruden with a young team thats in a good to decent cap situation.
4. The Patriots Reload
The Patriots signs both Demaryius Thomas and Tavon Austin to cheap contracts.
5. Ryan Tannehill plays a full season
The dolphins have been vocal as far as trying to draft a QB next year. I haven't seen a lame duck year for a QB like this. Alex Smith had Mahomes and Flacco had Jackson waiting on the roster already. Tannehill plays a full season and ruins the Dolphins chances of getting a top 5 pick.
6.Tampa Bay wins the NFC south
Atlanta loses a few offensive weapons, and have new coordinators, Cam Newton surgery and if you didn't read above I think Sean Payton goes to Dallas.
7. Teddy Bridgewater becomes the Eagles backup
8. Nick Foles, Joe Flacco and Andy Dalton will play musical chairs at QB
Teams like Carolina Panthers (1 year healing time for Cam after surgery, similar to Luck) the Giants, 49ers, Bengals and Titans all have decisions looming at QB. (Notice I didn't say the Jags)
9. The Raiders will tank again and sit the QB they draft for the first 10 games of the year.
10. The Houston Texans will hire Josh McDaniels or Mike McCarthy in 2020
11. Pittsburgh Steelers clean house next year, Mike Tomlin is replaced by Jim Harabough and they replace Big Ben with Tua Tagovailoa in the 2020 draft
12. Levon Bell to the Chiefs
Not much need to be said about this. They still have a QB on a rookie contract and a out on Sammy Watkins and Eric Berry after next year when it comes time to reup on Mahomes.