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1 hour ago, throwing BBZ said:
Well actually, there is a lot of space on a football field so what our line does mostly is maintain contact
long enough for our Franky to hit the best gap available. Now this is true of most mediocre lines.Of course Frank doesn`t have the speed to often get 25-30+ yd runs without second level blocking.
Good is the only guy we had that is solid at driving his man back on run plays.But he is worthless trying to get to the 2nd level or to pull outside. Much the same as Mewhort. Just too slow.
I do hope Haeg has put on some weight and gotten considerably stronger. He can run well enough to add that diversity to our run game to his side that Luck has never had. Gore will have more 5+ yard runs this go around.
La'Raven is going to be very good with some experience.He pancaked a few guys. lol Pray for good health.
I agree with everything you say, but edited to reiterate the point I continue to make, which is that slower backs like Gore, Blount, etc. don't pop long runs without good second level blocking. I agree that the line has not been giving Gore or Turbin that blocking. Gore was one of th best at the 9ers in popping long runs, but that's because they had great second level blocking from the line, TEs and WRs.
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48 minutes ago, CheezyColt said:
Adoree Jackson was just drafted less than 2 months ago. I don't think he's the one Gore out-ran.
You are absolutely right. It was Rashad Johnson .. a 4.53 combine guy.
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2 minutes ago, aaron11 said:
i checked the facts, the combine is not the end all be all either
bell 4.6 http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=105251&draftyear=2013&genpos=RB
elliot has ran as low as 4.32
Ajayi 4.42 http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=120046&draftyear=2015&genpos=RB
speed is absolutely a factor in big plays, you can repeat otherwise as much as you want, but that doesnt make it true
You clearly don't want to undermine your beliefs...no matter how many "unofficial" times you cite, the point remains that so-called slow backs are putting up just as many big runs as supposed "fast" backs. When you can explain that logically, get back to me.
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31 minutes ago, aaron11 said:
he wasnt caught because they took bad angles and any ball carrier with that much room should make a big play.the backs with the most big plays last year were elliot, howard, ajayi and bell. all have sub 4.5 40 times
blount was ninth place in big plays, the guys at the top of the list are all fast and they have good lines. you really need both to get lots of big plays
https://www.sportingcharts.com/nfl/stats/player-rushing-big-plays-statistics/2016/
What? Where are you pulling this stuff from? Bell ran 4.6 at the combine. Howard ran 4.59. Ajayi a 4.57. None of them are sub-4.5 40. It seems like you are winging your opinions without checking the facts.
And 10 yard runs are NOT big plays, and have very little to do with speed, but even if they were 7 of the top 11 are over 4.55 guys. Same thing at 20+...most of the backs are right around 4.6 40s. So again, the point stands: speed it not the reason for "big plays."
And bad angles on that Titans' play...really? They were all sprinting downfield in more or less a straight line, but if someone takes a bad angle, it's typically because the runner is faster than the tackler expected--doesn't that argue in favor of Gore being faster than expected?
My point remains,..they all need good blocking as the LOS, but they also need downfield blocks. The colts aren't giving the downfield blocks which is why Gore only got one 20+ yard last year, not his speed.
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22 minutes ago, aaron11 said:
gore was all alone on that play, no defender had an angle on him
luck even said the same thing, gore was all by him self so he dumped it off rather than throw it away. i still think hes a heck of a player but that doesnt mean we cant get faster
you are welcome for the opinion, thanks for yours too i guess
Don't understand your response...the point of mentioning that play was not that Gore was or was not alone, but to use real game footage to show how fast Gore still is. Gore started at the Colts 48 and ran at an angle to the sidelines. Williamson and Jackson started at the titans 42. Measuring the distances, Gore had to run farther than Williamson and a little less than Jackson...and Gore wasn't caught by either. That gives perspective on his actual speed....right now...age 34.
Again, however, I made the point that most fans don't appreciate is that speed does not correlate strongly with big runs. You want to get faster at the RB, but the evidence shows that most of the big runs are by RBs who run 4.6 or so. So why pine for speed? Why not identify what is actually not allowing big runs and correct that? I have asked that people look at Gore's highlight film. I think what you'll find is that when Gore gets through the LOS, he's facing a wall of unblocked defenders. That's a problem. Guys like Blount, Ajayi, Crowell and Hill typically have great downfield blocking.
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2 hours ago, aaron11 said:
hes just not fast anymore though. he did have a good year, but the fact is that there are much faster backs that had even better years
Thanks for your opinion. I think you are wrongly assessing Gore, and the importance of speed. Look at the flea flicker play against the Titans last year, look at the players chasing Gore and look at the distances they had to run. Gore out ran Williamson (4.66 40) and Adore Jackson (4.42) couldn't catch him. Gore is still running about a 4.6-4.65 40 time. Is that good enough to have big breakaway runs? Ajayi had the most (4) 40+ yd runs last year. He's a 4.58 40 guy. Blount tied for second most with 3, and he's at best a 4.7 guy. Other guys with 3: Isaiah Crowell (4.57); Jeremy Hill (4.66). There are more "slow" guys with 40+ yard runs than "fast" guys (Elliott and McCoy).
So, you have to ask yourself why other slow guys are popping off big runs, but Gore isn't. To that, I ask, did you look at the 2016 highlight film as I suggested? Look at it and come back and identify the runs where Gore had openings for a big run and couldn't exploit them because of his speed.
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Before drawing firm conclusions from these stats, like " Gore is a tough vet, but we're leaving a lot of yards on the field" can I suggest that you look at Gore's highlight film from last year and tell me how many times Gore got through the LOS and had open yards he missed. 99% of the time, Gore is running into several unblocked defenders in front of him....that's why neither he nor any other RB is getting big runs. RBs need blocks to cut off of. If you look at the highlight films of the RBs who had big runs last year, most of them outside of McCoy have great downfield blocking.
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3 hours ago, King Colt said:
All this jargon about the OL being fixed makes me wonder why they let it break down in the first place and why it took so long to fix.
That has been the achilles heel of this team for two years...but at least they acknowledge what the problem is. A LOT of problems go away with a great o-line. QBs become more accurate, RBs get more yards, WRs catch more passes....what's the first step toward rehabilitation? Acknowledging you have a problem...
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3 hours ago, crazycolt1 said:
A rare mistake that cost us a game and maybe two. That would have been the difference of winning a division and a trip to the playoffs too.
But what the heck, feel free to build him up all you care to.
Maybe this season he can run for more than 3 TDs.
yeah...games always come down to one play. LOL. Hard for Gore to get rushing TDs when Turbin's in the game (7 TDs on only 47 carries), or the Colts are passing, not running. Gore had 4 rushing TDs, and tied for second most receiving TDs among RBS with 4. Between Gore and Turbin they had 16 TDs, which as a tandem, was good. That's what matters, isn't it?
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5 hours ago, compuls1v3 said:
I also recall the highlight video of Michael on this forum showed many of his runs being untouched.
Seattle has some of the best blocking WRs in the league...
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46 minutes ago, LJpalmbeacher said:
1,000 yard Milestones are a product from Yester-Year when schedules were 12 &14 games. Today some Top Backs approach 1,000 yards midway in season.Gore's better days are long gone(low YPC & only 1 run 20 yards or more last season) and I don't expect him getting any younger or better anytime soon.
I'm fine if he stays, and fine if he's cut. But I'd like to see another RB carry the majority of the workload.
1000 yard season are irrelevant according to whom? Still, only 10 or so backs reach that milestone each year, and few backs do it consistently. I keep saying this...a 3.9 ypc avg is not pedestrian. Look at the HOF running backs and their career ypc. You'ld be shocked how many are right around 4 ypc. A RB who can churn out a consistent 4 ypc is very good, and it is particularly good for the colts, who have had pretty poor run blocking for a couple years. Long runs? Blount, Crowell, Howard, Hyde...all were amongst the tops in big plays from scrimmage last year. None are meaningfully faster than Gore. Why then could they spring them for big gains? Look at Gore's highlight films and see how many unblocked defenders he encounters once he gets passed the LOS. Now look at highlight films for some of these other backs. Look specifically at 5:09 of this video for Blount:
Every defenders is being blocked at the point of attack, and Blount is sprung for a long TD. That is what is needed for long runs, and it is something that Hilton, Dorsett and Moncrief are poor at...no RB is going to spring big gains for the colts without help from blockers.
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2 hours ago, crazycolt1 said:
I don't think I under appreciated Gore when he fumbled a game away or missed a TD pass that would have won a game.
Look, I like Gore a lot and think he has been one of the best RBs in the league but reality is he is getting old.
Hmmm...so pointing out a rare mistake by Gore proves your objectivity? No player is immune to mistakes...Luck makes multiple per game.
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2 hours ago, crazycolt1 said:
Reality and age. Nothing you can do about either.
Reality: Gore achieved those milestones last year, behind a makeshift line. No one has seen him this year to evaluate whether his age has caught up to him.
Age: Most backs fall off the cliff by age 32. Gore is not most backs, and has already proven he's in that top .0001% of players to have ever lined up at RB. He's a future HOF with a running style that is conducive to him producing even as a 34 year old. He's a workout warrior.
Can't do anything about either age or reality, but there is no proof to suggest Gore will not be able to better his output from last year, but some fans have already put him out to pasture. Again, none of these younger backs were able to run better than Gore last year beyond this line. When someone does, then -- and only then -- Gore needs to relinquish his starting role.
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I'm optimistic that with the continuity of the O-line, this will be a good year for the offense. I think too many of you underappreciated the challenge Gore faced in this offense over the past two years. No one had better success than him behind this line. Keep that in mind when you're pining for some journeyman or small conference rookie back to take gore's place.
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1 hour ago, LJpalmbeacher said:
I don't think Gore will be cut, but if it did happen I doubt it would effect the team negatively. I like Gore, he's had a nice career, but at this point in his career he doesn't make much of a difference. Last season I think only 1 carry over 20 yards. If it means more carries for Mack then that could be a positive thing.
Funny how once Gore achieves milestones that had been elusive for years -- 100 yard games, 1000 yard season -- he's nothing special and can be replaced by a mid-round rookie who hasn't gotten a yard in the NFL yet. Fans...
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3 minutes ago, SilentHill said:
I really think the level of shock and awe around here come the final cuts to 75 is going to be other worldly.
Gore and Turbin are by no means shoe-ins. Pagano has said only about 3 players have solidified their grasp on a starting job, and I'd bet those players are Luck, Hilton and Vinatieri or Vontae. Gore is by no means safe, and neither is Turbin
You know...you may be right. I perhaps assume too much to say they are shoe-ins. It would be a big shock if either or both or them are gone. If so, I would hope it was early so that they'ld have a chance to catch on elsewhere.
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Interesting proposition. Anything is possible. I'm not sure I understand the notion that Michael has done nothing in the NFL. He's got a careeer 4.3 ypc avg, so he's been effective when given the chance, but there is something going on that has teams giving up on him. Bad friends? Bad attitude? Who knows, but the ability is there.
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5 hours ago, Kyle said:
Depth Chart before signing CM
1. Gore
2. Mack
3. Turbin
4. Fergusson
5. Crossan
Adrian Peterson could take a drink from the fountain of youth and go back to being 22 years old and sign with the Colts and there still would be 0% chance that Mack would go to the practice squad.
P.S. I can't tell if you were serious or trolling for responses like mine.
If you were serious...try harder. If you were trolling...good job, you got me
LOL...minor trolling. It seems only 4 will make the active squad, with Gore and Turbin shoe-ins. As much as some want to dismiss Michael as displacing someone, he's proven himself able to run in the NFL...unless there is some personal character defect behind these teams giving upon him, he's gotta be higher on the depth chart than Mack or Ferguson, neither of whom have proven themselves yet. Between Mack and Ferguson, Ferguson is quicker and more elusive than Mack, but at anyone past Gore, the question is how they contribute to special teams. In that regard, even Crossan is in the mix as he is the fastest of all RBs.
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How many backs will make the final roster? Who will they be? With Michael's skill set, this smells like practice squad for Mack potentially.
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7 hours ago, Chucklez said:
I can't believe no one has mentioned ball security yet...
We all know he has game busting speed and breakaway potential, if patient for the holes and used correctly. My issue is with his fumbles... he's gotta get that sorted before he even sniffs the field.
I agree. His upright running style makes him prone to fumbling...he's gotta work on pad level and ball security. I'm conflicted on the notion of Mack having "game busting speed". He's slower than guys like LaMichael James, who hasn't been able to keep a job in the NFL. At the same time, there are very few LBs/DBs who have such blazing speed that they could run down Mack over 50 yds given a 5 yd lead, but that is true to a certain extent with Gore and Turbin as well. All of these backs need downfield blocking to spring big runs, Mack just less so than Gore and Turbin. Hilton, Dorsett and Moncrief all have to start getting dedicated to blocking downfield so that the RBs have a block to cut off of, and not have to run into a wall of unblocked defenders. So many of Gore's runs last year that went beyond the LOS could have been sprung for long runs had the WRs been blocking, but most of the time they are just standing around. By comparison, look at the run Blount had at 5:09 of this video
and see the downfield blocking of the Patriots WRs...without that blocking this is 5-8 yd run at best, instead it goes for 41 and a TD. That's what makes for big runs.
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Unless they can put more muscle on Mack, I think you keep him at his college weight. The Bills made Marshawn Lynch put on 10 lbs theoretically to allow him to better take the pounding his running style caused, but it made him slower and took away his strengths. Mack is a speed guy. If guys like LaMichael James are any proof, Mack's speed advantage at the pro level will be minimal, at best, and he cannot afford to lose a step for any reason.
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On 5/26/2017 at 6:19 AM, crazycolt1 said:
I am not too sure about Gore getting a 1,000 yards but I would be happy if he could find the end zone more.
Gotta have drives that get near the end zone for that to happen. More prolific offenses create many more scoring opportunities...see Blount (last year) for proof.
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Gore gets to solid 4th, but doesn't catch Sanders. This year I see 1K+. Next year he does 600 or so before retiring.
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5 hours ago, Gigc said:
If we can just keep him from being Bert Jones II, he'll be one of the best ever.
Bert Jones was the man....I still consider him one of the best QB's ever to play the game.
According to PFF, Colts have the worst backfield in the league
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The analyses of the o-line are fools gold. Last year, Gore got 3.9 ypc (good, not great), Turbin got 3.5 ypc, and Ferguson got 1.3 ypc. That's not a line that is dominating their opponent. It may be that the line is opening holes at the LOS (which Gore will skew with his ability to find and squirt through holes other RBs don't see), but if there is no second level blocking, the RB will be taken down for at most a 6-8 yard gain. That is particularly true for teams like the Colts running a power game between the tackles. Avg a bunch of 6-8 yard carries with an equal number of 1-2 yard carries and you end up with numbers like Gore, Turbin and Ferguson. To materially change those numbers, you need second level blocking, which the Colts simply don't do.
I'll give you some examples...
Once Gore is out five yards, he's got 4 guys tackling him. Or on this play, Gore gets hit 3 yard off the LOS by the first man, and is hit by 3 more unblocked guys dragging them an additional 3 yards.
By contrast, on one of Gore's longer runs, see how there is blocking at the LB level that allow Gore to cut off of, but even then, when Gore gets 15 yards downfield, he's facing three unblocked defenders in front of him, and 3 more closing on him from the sides and behind as he gathers to cut.
https://j.gifs.com/VmwB5v.gif
Let me submit that no RB in the league is going to pop big runs with the downfield blocking of the Colts. Maybe a guy like a McCoy pops it to the outside at the second level, and gets a few more yards than Gore gets but the number of RBs who can make more of this play in the league can be counted on one hand of a three fingered man.
By contrast, look at the number of Patriot blockers here at the point of attack springing Blount for a touchdown.
Two things need to happen for the running game to improve. They need to scheme where Gore/Turbin/Mack are not running between the tackles into a slew of unblocked defenders. And, the TE, WRs, and o-line, all have to get dedicated to downfield blocking.