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  1. Armstead was productive in a contract year...garbage before, and mostly garbage since. His one strong stat last year was his sack total, but he proved to be a big liability against mobile QBs, because he often took gambles in trying to apply pressure, only to leave wide open running lanes. Teams exploited him. Buckner was much better at controlling the LOS and collapsing the pocket. In hindsight, they could have (and should have) kept Buckner. He's been consistently good since day one in the NFL...just took awhile for people to appreciate him.
  2. How often is it that a team goes out and acquires a defensive tackle, only to have that player make 1st team all pro? Buckner was a great signing. 49ers were dense to let Buckner go, and choose Armstead at a small discount.
  3. Well, if you don't understand the difference between fast and quick, and that the 40 measures quickness more than pure speed, I don't know how to help you. You're just misinformed. I have friends who ran D1 track and in multiple Olympics who were maybe 4.5 40 guys, but on the track were among the fastest runners in the world. They were fast, not necessarily quick. But they always beat the "quick" guys who got out of the blocks fast, but had lower top speed. That said, your entire argument is based on a straw man. I said he's as fast as the DBs on the field, which is fast enough for a RB that has skills. In fact, there are plenty of 4.5 40 guys who get long TD runs every year. Speed is not the issue, as much as you want to make it that. My point, which you ignored, is that speed without RB skills is fairly useless, Taiwan Jones being a prime example. Taiwan Jones crushed the competition in college, but he's done nothing in the NFL despite being measurably faster (and quicker) than Hines. Constantly referring to long runs Hines may have had in college doesn't bolster your argument any more. the talent at the NFL level is a huge jump...runs that might go for big yards in college get shut down in the pros. So, back at ya..terrible analysis friend.
  4. Fast? The 40 time is more about quick, not fast... . I don't think Hines is that fast. If you watch college highlights, he wasn't outrunning defenders in the way Jahvid Best, or CJ Spiller did. As fast as most DBs? I would agree with that. That said, being a RB is more than just speed. Look at what Taiwan Jones has done in his career. Spoiler alert: Nothing. He's far faster than Hines (and quicker) but just not much of a RB. Speed without shiftiness or the ability to read and use blocks really doesn't get a RB very far.
  5. The fallacy of picking up great backs in mid-rounds. The truth is that when a difference maker at RB comes along, he gets taken in the 1st round. When a difference maker is not available, mid to late round picks are used to pick up flawed RBs....that doesn't mean that those RBs cannot have an impact, but they have to overcome their flaws and the likelihood is that they don't pan out. Mack for example needs to stay healthy and learn to run between the tackles consistently. IN terms of using a high pick for a RB...my mantra is that the game is won in the trenches. A great offensive line makes an avg running game and passing game look better. A great defensive line makes the LBs and DBs look like all pros. Those 3-4th round RBs are more than serviceable when running behind a great offensive line in a well balanced offense. Build the lines first.
  6. I stated my view on Hines in the "Is he our Dion Lewis" thread and that hasn't changed. That said, Hines' one strength is his speed, and so far we haven't seen him used in a way that we can see his speed. I predicted he wouldn't be shifty enough in the backfield to create open space for himself, but if the O-line gels or Luck gets him the ball in open space, he can still be a weapon. Deep breaths everyone....this is still pre-season.
  7. Of course...that's what my post said...it IS just one game. No need to repeat it. I'm not harping on the mistakes he made or using that to conclude he has no future. I'm just asking whether there are any revised views on how explosive he is/will be based on seeing him play at the NFL level. This was, after all, the first chance to see him at game speed against NFL or near NFL player talent.
  8. Yep...as I said, it's only one game. He'll have lots more chances to prove himself. Thoughts on Mack?
  9. So, now that we've seen Hines play with actual/fringe NFL caliber players, any revised views on him? It is only one game, but it certainly was a chance to see his speed and athleticism compared to the NFL--a huge jump from college. Everyone still think he is explosive? I continue to believe that Mack shows a speed or quickness, which if not actually faster than other players on the field is somehow deceptive to defenders. He just looks like he's moving faster than everyone else. Hope he can stay healthy.
  10. True, but ... here are the difference(s): (1) Neither Sanders nor Payton had world class speed; and yet, (2) both Sanders and Payton continued to break off huge runs throughout their careers. CJ was pretty much the undisputed fastest man in the NFL for 5-6 years. Only a handful of guys were ever considered in his realm of speed--and most of those, i.e., DeSean Jackson, played on offense. Though fast, neither Sanders nor Payton were considered the fastest guys when they played....they were just great running backs. Both were breaking off big runs throughout the 10 core years of their careers.
  11. Some more accomplished than others. ;) Let's revisit this thread in December. I don't think Hines will suck, but if he had even Tavon Austin's level of success, I would be surprised. People are just putting way too high of expectations on him.
  12. I guess fans aren't supposed to post opinions on message boards?
  13. Sorry...I sort of dropped off as well...offseason, vacations, etc. J ust go to nfl.com. They show broader statistics. And, if you know how to use pro-football-reference filters, you can get lots of detail.
  14. totally agree. that is just one of many attributes of a great back. Marcus Allen was great at minor adjustments at speed that kept defenders from getting solid hits on him.
  15. if they can get him in space that will maximize his impact. A lot of people thought Tavon Austin was going to have a huge impact in the NFL, but so far he hasn't. I haven't watched him much with the Rams, but I"m curious why he hasn't been able to replicate his college success. hines is more RB than Austin was but Hines was impactful as a RB as well. Just hasn't translated to the pros.
  16. I never said getting 2k was not impressive, and I'm not "trashing" CJ...I'm judging his career for what it was. He had one great year because the league was not prepared for CJ's speed, not that he was a good RB. Once the league adjusted for his speed, he became very pedestrian. 1000 yard seasons? In 2010, there were 17 backs who had 1000+ yds, 15 in 2011 (and CJ was the lowest of all of them), 16 in 2012. Basically half the starting backs in the league reach 1000 yards, and most of those who dont reach 1000 yards operate in a RB by committee system. Again look at his drop off in 20+, 40+ and TD runs. He had one great season (2009), one good season (2010) and the rest were pretty average, but in a way that is not actually helpful to a consistent offense. After 2010, he became a game breaker who couldn't break a game...and he never was a chainmover. Why? Not because he didn't have speed, but because he wasn't a very good RB. Which is the point being made in this thread. Speed without RB skills will not get you far in this league, particularly now that defenses have gotten so much faster.
  17. Really? Silly? Perhaps think a bit before denigrating others points. CJ's 2K yards in 2009 was a great accomplishment, but if a RB cant get even close to repeating a 2k season, it is an anomaly, and for CJ that was the case. In CJ's 2k year, defenses had not recognized or adjusted for his speed. He had an unreal 22 carries that went for more than 20 yards, and 7 that went for more than 40 yards. That was nearly double of AP in both categories, who himself was pretty fast and near the top of the league in both categories. By 2010, CJ was not even the league leader in either category. By 2011, he had only 1 carry over 40 yards. Once defenses took away the big homerun threat from CJ, his lacks of RB skills became very apparent. I don't buy that it was a result of so many carries. There were lots of backs getting a similar number of carries who didn't fall of the table in production. Do you have any doubt that in 2011-2013 CJ was still the fastest back in the league? Maybe Charles, Best and Spiller had similar speed, but CJ was still the fastest. He simply was not seeing the wide open holes he saw in 2009 because defenses had adjusted to him, and CJ did not have the skills to either move the chains or create long runs for himself (like McCoy does). His game became a bunch of games where he avg. 2-3 ypc and an occasional game where he had a 20-30 yard run. Believing that even a 4.3 40 guy can replicate what CJ did in 2009 is a fool's game. The league learned and now understands the importance of speed and how to defend it. Defenses are much faster now...the days of the plodding hole stuffing MLB are gone. Side line to side line speed is perhaps the most important criteria teams are looking for when drafting LBs now. Being "fast" is just not enough anymore. A RB needs vision, elusiveness and strength to break arm tackles. I don't see any of these things in Hines.
  18. DaColts isn't getting it. CJ2k was not a great running back, but had unusual speed and that resulted in a lot of big runs in the year that he went for 2k. Teams adjusted for it, and pretty quickly he was rendered meaningless. He became the RB equivalent of Ted Ginn. A few big plays per year but otherwise unremarkable. When I said less than 3 YPC...it was more like 2.3 ypc or less. He was terrible in a lot of games. Basically, defenses adjusted to CJ2k and he had nothing more to use to beat defenses.
  19. Exactly....CJ2k didn't lose anything...teams just adjusted to his game and took away the big play. Once that happened, he became pedestrian. By 2011, when most teams had figured him out, he had 7 games where he rushed for less than 3 ypc. He had the occasional break out game but for the most part he was ineffective. The Colts perhaps more than any other team had his number. He had terrible games against the Colts.
  20. Yep...seen him play. Don't like the pick. Not shifty, average vision, and not quick/fast enough to make a difference. I pointed out Ford and Spiller because they are much faster than Hines, but they had marginal impact in the NFL, and at least Spiller had more skills as a RB. Hines can only survive in the NFL as a speed back and frankly he's just not that fast. I'll add that if you go back and watch Mack game tapes, he makes defenses take worse angles than Hines does. In other words, college players were able to adjust to Hines' speed more than Mack's. I suspect Hines will have a few big plays where defenses make mistakes, but he's going to have less of an impact than Tavon Austin, which is to say almost no impact.
  21. Yeah...not exactly. Not to cut hairs, but he's more like Adrian Peterson speed without the moves. CJ Spiller was/is much faster...where's he? Jacoby Ford was/is much, much faster...where's he. I think people are blowing this guy's skills way out of proportion.
  22. He attended Cal for 2.5 years and was quietly and summarily dismissed from the team, even though he was arguably their most talented player. Not sure what happened there but it is rarely a good sign. Hopefully whatever issues he had back then are far behind him. He has alluded to some issues with the program, back then but has never described them and has admitted the dismissal was probably proper. Very mysterious.
  23. No way. Any one not impressed with the colts offseason are simply not knowledgeable about football. Shoring up the offensive line is THE most important thing you can do to produce wins. A solid OL gives your QB more time and not make hurried throws, it lets receivers run deeper more complex routes, it allows your running game to move the chains...all of which leads to more sustained drives, which in turn keeps the defense off the field and more rested. Everyone will perform better. It's not like the Colts have no talent. With Luck and a solid offensive line, the Colts could threaten for a 10-win season or more. Vujnovich was so awful so often with his blocking that the left side of the line often collapsed. With AC, Nelson and Kelly, that should be a very solid and possibly elite blocking unit. Between Smith JM and Slauson, the RG and RT positions should be solid if not spectacular.
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