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My thoughts on swag. It's an over used word and no one really knows what it means.
Jordan Love seems like a confident, well spoken, hard working young man. Too bad none of that helps him see the underneath LB.
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4 minutes ago, Chloe6124 said:
Probably one of those smoke signals Irsay talked about.
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19 minutes ago, chad72 said:
We will have to play most likely in the AFC outdoors in the playoffs vs the likes of Ravens, Patriots, Chiefs, Steelers; so arm strength in those conditions where the ball will have to cut through the air will become important. Otherwise, you are stuck with a Chad Pennington like situation where teams will sit on underneath stuff from Fromm.
That's a good point. But from watching him, I don't think his arm is as weak as some reports are indicating. And I think the amount of zip on his balls can be improved with proper mechanics by engaging his trunk and lower body more on throws.
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9 minutes ago, stitches said:
Now that's funny. It would be nice if his hand size caused him to fall to #13
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40 minutes ago, chad72 said:
I like Anthony Gordon’s upside more than Fromm’s, to be honest. I’d rather get him in Round 3.I am a fan of Gordon's as well and I think 3rd round will be way too early, I think Gordon is a 4th or 5th rounder at best. But that is just my opinion.
The reason I like From more though is because I think Fromm has a better understanding and head for the game and I think Fromm will win most plays before the ball is even snapped.
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On 2/23/2020 at 6:47 PM, EastStreet said:
Not sure if you follow football recruiting, but I follow it very closely. Utah State gets CFL level of talent (not even XFL lol), while teams like LSU, Bama, etc. get NFL talent for comparison.
Here's USt, LSU, and Bama's recruits signees for the current period (note the individual players national ranks). And below that are the schools ranking... Bama and LSU are ranked 2nd and 4th in the country in talent. Utah State is 117th. And sorry, Tua/Burrow don't automatically crush it when they have a horrible OL and bad skill position players (their WRs were in the 4.6 and 4.7s lol). Put either of those QBs on a team with a bad OL and they would look very diferent.
And that's not even factoring in that 9 out of 11 starters were brand new. And the only other returning starter didn't start the whole year in 2018 (injury sub).
https://247sports.com/college/utah-state/Season/2020-Football/Commits/
https://247sports.com/college/alabama/Season/2020-Football/Commits/
https://247sports.com/college/lsu/Season/2020-Football/Commits/
That is true Utah state does not get the recruits and SEC school will get. But that was as true in 2018 as it was in 2019. So since he put up big numbers in 2018 and not in 2019 you cannot blame the recruits
I find it funny that, when discussing a QB like Gordon the first thing people say is that he is a beneficiary of Mike Leach's system. Well, Mike Leach's system is the air raid system, yet people totally dismiss the fact that as a sophomore, Love operated in an air raid type offense that bloats numbers. In 2019, with a new coach and new offense, he has asked to do more reading defenses pre and post snap and really struggled with that aspect of it.
People always say, look at the reasons for his 2019 numbers being poor but never consider the reasons for his 2018 numbers being good. When looking at typical numbers put up in a lot of air raid offenses in college, even his 2018 numbers were not great for an air raid offense.
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13 minutes ago, chad72 said:
Mahomes is 9.25, he has done well for himself.
Here are some articles that talk about it:
https://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2018/3/1/17066910/nfl-combine-hand-measurement-quarterback-draft
https://ftw.usatoday.com/2019/02/nfl-combine-kyler-murray-hand-size-doesnt-matter
Fromm wasn't wowing many with his physical talents anyways, and his comp. was Colt McCoy on nfl.com, if I remember right. Maybe he falls to Round 3?
Man, that would be an ideal situation, IMO. Colts focus on DT and WR/Safety with the first two picks and then pick up Fromm at pick 44.
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Here is an excellent break down showing that hand size pitfalls are more myth than fact.
https://www.dawgsbynature.com/2016/3/4/11161580/quarterback-hand-size-a-statistical-cautionary-tale
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There will be a lot of people unhappy after hearing that.
I am surprised that Gordon was PFF #3 QB.
According to PFF, no day 1 starters at QB except Burrow and outside of Burrow, only a couple of potential franchise QBs.
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Why is this topic on the Colts forum? It's a "song" by a guy who has never been a Colt about a guy who is not a Colt. Seems like this should be in the NFL General section.
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9 hours ago, richard pallo said:
Today Bill Barnwell of ESPN became the latest writer to think a tag and trade is a strong possibility. They did it last year with Dee Ford and received a future 2nd (this years 2nd) from the 49ers as compensation. That backfired so he thinks they would want to trade him for a pick in this years draft. He thinks a 2nd would be the price again and he mentioned the Lions, Dolphins and Colts as having early 2nd rd picks they would be interested in. Last year Jarett signed for 4yrs 68M. He thinks Jones would get more and he thinks the Jones camp would be looking for 5yrs 100M. Most likely ending somewhere in the middle. Too pricy for them with their cap issues and a Mahomes deal looming. Therefore he thinks a tag and trade could definitely be on the horizon. So there could be the opportunity for our 3T. It's amazing how many different FA and trade opportunities will be there for the Colts to consider.
Big difference between Ford and Jones though, Ford had just cost them a trip to the SB and he wasn't a great fit for Spags D. Also they look at Jones as a person to build the defensive around.
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On 2/14/2020 at 6:21 AM, John Waylon said:
I really wouldn’t be surprised to see him take some kind of administrative role with the XFL in the coming years.
I mean who wouldn’t want to work with their dad running a football league?
personally, I think Luck is going to be a QB in the XFL next year. What better way to add some validity to his daddy's league?
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The Colts don't need a CB, with Moore, Ya-Sin, Desir and Tell, the Colts have 4 good to great starting quality CBs.
If the Colts needed a CB, then Slay would be a good one but there are other areas more important to waste the limited resources to get another CB.
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He's intriguing and I don't know much about him. from the little clips I have seen and reading the scouting reports about being a bit slow off the snap I'm not sure if he fits a cover 2 type 3T but he would be good to have in the rotation with Stewart. Seems to be able to hold his ground well and makes things difficult even against a double team.
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23 hours ago, Gigc said:
I'm still very very eager to see Fromm throw. I really think he's got more arm strength than he's getting credit for. just watched a video of Chris Simms interviewing him and Fromm said he really developed his throwing from playing baseball, winging it without stepping through. you can see that when he's playing.
another thought. go back and look at his 2018 tape when he had receivers he was more comfortable with verus his 2019 tape. he got off a lot of deep throws, with a lot of accuracy.
Also, Simms asked him who he patterned himself after. said he watched Peyton, Brady, others, but tried to emulate Brees. I swear i see a lot of him in there.
did go back and watch more Eason. he definitely seemed to get the yips a bit under pressure and he's gotta ditch that reverse spin move to get out of trouble.
however, he's another guy who hasn't had a ton of reps under fire. I still think he's really interesting too.
i love watching Gordon play, but I think he needs a lot of refinement. Also want to see him throw against the others. i think he leads guys and anticipates incredibly well, but i'm not sure some of those throws work against NFL windows.
like that TD pass he threw in the Senior Bowl. that was a RIDICULOUS throw. Most coaches would bench a dude for that, but he pulled it off.
I saw that talk with Simms, it was one of the reasons why I thought I would look further at him. Since I don't think the Colts have a chance at Burrow (and I'm not a fan of Tua), I like Herbert and Fromm the most.
As far as Gordon, I don't think coaches would bench him for that throw in the senior bowl. Isn't that what coaches want, someone who can place the ball perfectly even if their body is not set properly and that is exactly what that was. But like I said in my original post, assuming he's a hard worker and works to improve his footwork and mechanics, he is 2 years away from being a viable NFL QB.
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This was posted the other day. And who is Payton?
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7 minutes ago, Superman said:
I haven't watched any. Just been busy, and I have zero investment in it. If I were sitting around with nothing to do, I'd watch. I watched a few games of the AAFL.
I get that announcers make that link, but at the end of the day the XFL would have to agree to specific arrangements to allow the NFL to loan out their developmental players for a set period of time. And I imagine the NFL would want the XFL to provide coverage for player injuries, workers comp, they'd be tied into the NFL's concussion protocol and pension plan, etc. A lot of ramifications that are major points of negotiation. And of course, money.
And I don't think the NFL roster management rules lend themselves to development of young players. The PS rules, waivers, roster size limits, injury list protocol, UDFA rules, etc., make it difficult for a team to keep and develop a young player for a couple seasons, which then results in talented players bouncing around the league for a couple years and never catching on. Or players like Philip Walker being waived and re-signed every other week. The NFL could fix some of this on it's own, but if you added in the ability to give young players some real competition in the winter/spring -- with specific conditions, so if they played after Week 10 in the NFL they aren't eligible to play in the XFL, etc. -- you might have something.
Another issue that would prevent a development league is techniques. Coaches teach their players their techniques, so, again if it were a development league, a player spends time on an NFL practice squad and learns that team's techniques for their position, then goes to the XFL at the end of the season and learns the XFL coach's techniques and then tries to go back to the NFL. I see a lot fringe players taking a step back at that point.
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3 minutes ago, Superman said:
False. The CBA expressly prohibits a player under contract with an NFL team from playing in another professional football league. If Kelly quit and tried to sign with an XFL team, he'd be sued, as would the XFL if they actually allowed him to sign.
Isn't there something that a team owns the rights to a player for a set period of time after they retire?
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2 hours ago, Superman said:
It's a CBA issue, and if you ask Bill Polian, this is what they were hoping to get done with the AAFL to make it a viable league. If the XFL can survive this season, and then engage the NFL as they're working on the next CBA and get a framework in place, it would be a major development.
But if you ask the people running the XFL, they want to be competition, not a minor league. Maybe that's just lip service.
I would say that is more lip service, because when the announcers talk about players, tey talk about what teams if any they were on, how they don't get a chance to improve on the practice and how the XFL gives them game experience to really improve their game.
I don't think it will happen for two main reasons: 1) The NFL is not going to want to share their pie, so to speak. If the XFL were to have an arrangement with the NFL, the XFL would probably cost more money than they would contribute. 2) Over the years the NFL system has proven pretty good at weeding ut the players that really just don't have what it takes to contribute in the NFL. There are not a lot of players that slip through the cracks and would have been great if only they got the chance.
But all that being said, I've watched 3 XFL games so far and it's not bad football. It's not great and I probably won't follow a team or anything but being sick one weekend and still recovering the follow weekend, it was something to do. Saw some big time hits, the XP system allows for some drama at the end of games and saw players that fought hard to pick up first downs or TDs.
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51 minutes ago, Valpo2004 said:
I don't think that any of this is likely to happen but to me what you are talking about is similar to either baseball's minor league or to the loan system in European soccer leagues. In the end the team doesn't get any sort of compensation for injured players, that's just a risk you take. The idea behind them is generally to get younger players with potential some playing time to develop them. But if we are theoretically sending Chad Kelly to the XFL to get some playing time, we are most likely not planning on him being a major starter that year.
But quite frankly I just don't think it will happen.
I don't think it will happen either, just pointing out the XFL would love for that to happen
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I will say the XFL would love to become that type of league for the NFL. They would love to have agreements with NFL teams that would allow their young/PS players come and play in the league and get some real game experience.
The issue comes with injuries. Let's say, for example, that Kelly did go to the XFL for their season and tore an ACL. Are they going to then compensate the Colts for the lost season and how? Money is good but that does not fully compensate the team who now has to look for another body for camp and perhaps even the 53 man roster.
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1 hour ago, Chloe6124 said:
If you watch or read any of his interviews he actually takes all the blame. He talks about balancing risk and playing smarter. He knows he tried to do to much and admits it. That he is self aware is a good start.
I know you have mentioned this numerous times and I know you think it's a good thing, but it's really a cop out answer and it's not a good thing. It's bad for a few reasons; 1, he is throwing his teammates under the bus, he is basically saying he could not win with his team so he tried to do beyond his role to make up for their deficiencies. It's also bad because he thinks that is a valid reason to not see coverages and defenders while "trying to do to much." Lastly, how many more games would they have won if he had not tried to do to much?
And while being aware of the issue is a good first step but that is all it is. Just like I'm sure JB is aware of his hesitancy to go deep and there were games where he looked to improve upon it like the TB game, but when the game on the line he reverted back to his hesitancy.
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40 minutes ago, stitches said:
I mean no two situations are 1:1 carbon copies. We are talking about general similarities.
I'm talking similarities as well and there are big difference.
40 minutes ago, stitches said:Love suffered loss of talent Mahomes didn't suffer. I also disagree about his receivers bailing him out in 2018. There was nothing to bail him out for in 2018. He was a much safer and much more in control player in 2018 because he had some relatively good weapons and he knew he didn't have to do everything by himself. He also had an offensive head coach who actually knew what he was doing, unlike in 2019. I've never seen a high end QB work with such poor supporting case that could rarely separate and was dropping passes left and right. Fair point that he didn't improve unlike Mahomes, but again - they didn't deal with the exact same situations, I'm not sure there is a world in which Love would have improved for his last season with that surrounding talent.
The Wake Forest game is weird, because he made a lot of mistakes there, but he also kept them in the game for longer than their talent suggested they can keep up with them. Also there are plenty of games where they actually fell behind big and he was pressing a ton trying to make things happen. Take the LSU game as a perfect example. He was making some exceptional throws in the beginning of the game and was moving their offense really well against a team with 3 first round DBs covering his horrible WRs who dropped 2 TD passes if I'm not mistaken. After which they fell behind and he started forcing it, which resulted in several picks and overall poor performance for the rest of the game.
The discrepancy between Love's first half vs Love's second half performances is kind of eye-popping and there is a reason for it. By PFF his rating was 85 in first halves and it was in the 50s in second halves of games(I'm citing this by memory, apologies for not being able to find the exact numbers)... From what I've seen he was forcing things a lot this last season.
You know the common theme for people who like Love from fans and draft pundits? All of them make excuses for Love's lack of performance and blame everyone except for Love. When, if you actually watch his games and not his highlights, it's pretty plain to see that Love needs to shoulder a lot of the blame. I'm sure if the Colts draft Love and he doesn't play well, the excuses will continue.
Lastly, if you want to disagree about his receivers bailing him out on 2018, be my guest, but that just shows me that you are not looking at Love objectively.
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41 minutes ago, CantBeStopped said:
Yet every single one of them have been made by every QB in the league
Bone headed plays are not a huge red flag because, as you indicate, all QBs have them... the same bone headed plays through out two years as a starter is a red flag though.
9 inch hands for QB's...
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Who are you talking about Fromm or Gordon?