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I know pollian is gone and all that but had POllian came out of the draft like the eagles came out of the 06 draft people would be killing him still ( like stampedeblue)...excuse me but that draft sucks donkey's balls...actually of those 4 drafts(06-09) the only players that have been valuable have been desean jackson, maclin, celek, maybe omar gaither but thats it.
they have taken 8 LB (and chris gocong is a LB not a DE) and they are still looking for someone to pair with demeco ryans who they traded for lol
It's not necessarily the players still there that intrigued me.
It's players like Bunkley, Bradley, Avant, Gocong, Abiamiri, Mays, Kolb...not necessarily game changers and they won't steal the headlines, but they're decent depth guys and players like that can develop into good trade fodder.
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So what he's 33, he's just signed for three years. Which gives us...... 3 years to sign his replacement. Why rush the move? He's still probowl caliber. Collie isn't always hurt, look at last year. He played all 16 games. Avery I agree is a slight gamble, but his knee has healed and the injury is somewhat old now, and he has recovered. But we'll see on this one.
I don't follow your Gonzo is gone argument. He didn't catch ONE catch all season. And Garcon's replacement is Avery. We're pretty set, which gives space for our biggest needs = TE + CB.
And WR is still a need, I agree. But how does it beat the need of TE and CB? I see us drafting WR in later rounds, for two reasons. 1) the WR class is DEEP this year, and 2) we have bigger needs, plus I don't see a WR being BPA until later rounds.
At no point did I say it's a bigger need than TE or CB. Andy said it wasn't a need at all, which just isn't true, is it?
So we're happy going in with
Wayne
Collie
Avery
White
Cosby
Okay then.
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I would rather have a Luck/Fleener combo, since we already have Reggie at the WR. Luck and Fleener have a lot of chemistry with each other and Fleener has a lot of talent, not to mention that WR is not a big need, maybe not even a need at all.
How is WR not a need at all? Wayne is 33, Collie is always injured, Avery has barely seen the field over the last few years, Gonzo + Garcon have gone, White didn't play at all in 2011...in what world/universe do we not need a wide receiver?!
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Blackmon's DUI was more recent than Floyd's - why aren't people mentioning that?
With the new OC at Miami, it seems like a no brainer.
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8 at Dolphins but should be late first/early second. Seeing a mad rush for a QB like with Ponder last year. Tannehill isn't terrible though, could surprise some people.
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Glad you guys enjoyed it. I certainly did, excited to see his draft now.
It's not even the Jacksons or McCoys that had me excited...it's guys like Bunkley, Bradley, Kolb that I liked. Someone like Kolb to develop and trade would be great.
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http://secondcityfanatics.com/2012/04/09/how-important-is-ryan-grigson-to-the-colts/
I wrote this today after investigating some of the Eagles' drafting history whilst Grigson was there.
I think he assisted in drafting some pretty good players and some nice depth players too.
Having done this I feel more confident that he and Irsay will get this draft right.
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quite honestly Ill take him in the second over Fleener cause its a bigger need, and we can get Charles later, I like Fleener but I get the feeling some are thinking he will be the next Gronkowski or something, I seem him as a Jacob Tamme type can catch and run some and be a red zone threat but not like a Gronkowski or Gonzales
I think he's a Greg Olsen type player, not close to a Gronkowski type talent. I like him at #34 because of the chemistry with Luck and the fact it's not a particularly strong TE class.
Wouldn't be bothered if we got Green or Egnew in the 4th or even Evan Rodriguez later on.
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So according to Andy, 9 games is 'his chance'.
Holy crap, Luck is gonna be in trouble with you then.
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In the Bleacher Report's Top 1000 section they have released their ILB rankings. Pat Angerer ranks as #26, but what I want to discuss is the rating of 5 for his tackling.
Angerer made 146 tackles for us this year, don't think he's particularly bad at it...
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would even think of taking dennard at 34, mike martiin isn't a NT, and i wouldn't take any of those receivers in the second...well, maybe randle if you put a gun to my head. i love janoris jenkins talent, but i think i would still pass on him at 34..just too many red flags.
Martin could definitely play NT and does for Michigan.
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I don't think the Giants take him now. They have Martellus Bennett and now Beckum is coming back they aren't nearly as bad as they were.
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I honestly think we will have to reach for Ta'amu at three cause it may be risky waiting till the fourth
#34 for Ta'amu is a reach, #65 is just about right I think.
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Im taking Gilmore at 2 if hes their but if not Ill go with Jenkins
3 Im going Ta'amu
4 Ill go Tommy Streeter
Would love Gilmore to be there but I just can't see it right now.
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CB: Josh Robinson, Janoris Jenkins, Alfonzo Dennard (Round 2), Casey Hayward, Jayron Hosley, Trumaine Johnson, Leonard Johnson (Round 3), Dwight Bentley, Josh Norman, Chase Minnifield, Shaun Prater (Round 4), Asa Jackson (Round 5), Justin Bethel (Round 7)
NT: Mike Martin (Round 3), Alameda Ta'amu (Round 3), Josh Chapman (Round 4), Hebron Fangupo (Round 5), Nicholas Jean-Baptiste (Round 5), Akiem Hicks (Round 6), Chigbo Anunoby (Round 7/UDFA)
TE: Coby Fleener (Round 2), Dwayne Allen, Orson Charles (Round 3), Ladarius Green (Round 4), Michael Egnew (Round 4), James Hanna (Round 6), Rhett Ellison (Round 6), David Paulson (Round 7)
WR: Rueben Randle, Alshon Jeffrey, Mohamed Sanu (Round 2), Marvin Jones, Brian Quick, Chris Givens (Round 3), Marvin McNutt, Tommy Streeter, AJ Jenkins (Round 4), Dwight Jones, Tim Benford, Greg Childs (Round 5), DeVier Posey, Jeff Fuller, Jermaine Kearse (Round 6/7)
Very rough guide but which combinations do you like?
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I'd still like to have Sam Montgomery. I know this kid is going to be something special.
This. I love Montgomery.
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Bump, any thoughts?
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Sure it wasn't AdaRN Schefter? That's a parody that keeps fooling people.
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1. QB Andrew Luck, Stanford
Not much needs to be said here, but Luck is the natural heir to Peyton's throne.
2. TE Coby Fleener, Stanford
Over the past few days I've been thinking there's no chance of us getting Fleener. But I worked on my full mock and can't see him in the first round. Giants have Beckum returning alongside new signing Martellus Bennett, whilst WR Stephen Hill could fall into the 49ers' lap. Fleener isn't going to be like a Gronkowski to me, but he'll be a good end zone threat and should have decent enough chemistry with Luck.
3. NT Alameda Ta'amu, Washington
Again, been working on the full mock and I have him falling to us at #65. Whilst I'm not a huge Ta'amu fan, he is definitely the 2nd best NT prospect. Mike Martin and Josh Chapman can play NT and DE which makes them versatile for us so could also see these picks for us, but at #65 Ta'amu should be pretty good value.
4. CB Josh Norman, Coastal Carolina/CB Chase Minnifield, Virginia
I doubt Minnifield falls this far but his stock is falling due to injury so you never know. Anyway, Josh Norman has impressed scouts lately and I think the Colts attended the Coastal Carolina Pro Day. 6ft, 33 vertical jump, he's got a lot of good physical attributes. Not necessarily blessed with speed but can still keep up with most receivers.
5. WR Dwight Jones, North Carolina
Some fall from grace really here for Jones. He's had a couple off field troubles with has antagonised some of the UNC staff, but he ran a 4.46 40 yard dash and is a big, physical receiver. With the UNC WR coach now at Colts I could see this happening in some way. Makes body catches too often but hopefully can learn from Reggie Wayne.
5 Compensation. TE Evan Rodriguez, Temple/TE James Hanna, Oklahoma
Another TE is needed as Eldridge is almost always injured and not very good. Rodriguez could be the pass catching FB Luck likes but maybe Gronkowski is seen for that role. If so, Hanna impressed at the combine and would be decent backup to Fleener.
6 Compensation. OG Lonnie Edwards, Texas Tech
Really powerful guy who can be effective at pass and run blocking. Could be a steal at this point but I'm happy with him as depth for now. Reitz did an okay job last year and could improve with the whole offseason to work on his game.
7. CB Justin Bethel, Presbyterian College
Did pretty well at the combine but we have to come out of this draft with 2 Cornerbacks. One in the mid-rounds and one late sounds good to me.
7 (From Jets). ILB Carmen Messina, New Mexico
Studied this guy a bit and I really like him. Small schooler so will go later on, but always appears to be around the ball, never stops going. Tough tackler and should provide decent depth.
7. Compensation. WR Griff Whalen, Stanford
Another guy who should have decent chemistry with Luck. Might go undrafted but might as well use Mr. Irrelevant pick on him.
QB: Andrew Luck, Drew Stanton, Trevor Vittatoe
HB: Donald Brown, Delone Carter, Darren Evans
FB: Chris Gronkowski, Ryan Mahaffey
WR: Reggie Wayne, Dwight Jones, Austin Collie, Donnie Avery, Blair White, Quan Cosby
TE: Coby Fleener, James Hanna/Evan Rodriguez, Brody Eldridge
LT: Anthony Castonzo, Jeff Linkenbach
LG: Joe Reitz, Lonnie Edwards
C: Samson Satele, A.Q. Shipley
RG: Ben Ijalana, Mike McGlynn
RT: Winston Justice, Mike Tepper
DE: Cory Redding, Ricardo Mathews
NT: Alameda Ta'amu, Antonio Johnson
DE: Fili Moala, Drake Nevis
OLB: Dwight Freeney, Mario Addison, Justin Hickman
ILB: Pat Angerer, A.J. Edds, Mario Harvey
ILB: Kavell Conner, Carmen Messina
OLB: Robert Mathis, Jerry Hughes, Brandon Peguese
CB: Jerraud Powers, Chris Rucker, Terrence Johnson, Brandon King
CB: Josh Norman, Kevin Thomas, Justin Bethel, Mike Holmes
FS: Antoine Bethea, David Caldwell
SS: Tom Zbikowski, Joe Lefeged
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I have Hill falling to the 49ers and Giants taking Doug Martin from Boise State. Travis Beckum is now expected to be fit for the Giants, which means they don't need a TE high.
I'm still hopeful Fleener will fall to us. Remember last year, Tight End Kyle Rudolph was marked as a lock to the Falcons in the first round? He ended up at pick #43.
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@OllyDawes
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Can anyone post it up for those that aren't 'Insiders'?
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Kellen Moore, BSU
No no no no no no no no no
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I have him at Bengals but Titans also makes sense.
Latest Walterfootball Mocks (5 Rounds)
in NFL Draft, Scouting, and Free Agent Talk
Posted
Walter's Mock:
1st Round: QB Andrew Luck, Stanford
2nd Round: WR Alshon Jeffery, South Carolina
3rd Round: NT Alameda Ta'amu, Washington
4th Round: TE Orson Charles, Georgia
5th Round: CB Coty Sensabaugh, Clemson
Charlie Campbell's Mock:
1st Round: QB Andrew Luck, Stanford
2nd Round: TE Coby Fleener, Stanford
3rd Round: CB Trumaine Johnson, Montana
4th Round: NT Nicholas Jean-Baptiste, Baylor
5th Round: WR Ryan Broyles, Oklahoma
So, which one would you rather take?