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I had mixed feelings watching Will Levis dicing up the Atlanta defense. I was very happy for the guy. Seems like a great guy from a great family. He has huge, accurate arm, with nice touch. He also can run pretty well. But I was bummed because I still feel he was a MUCH better pick than Richardson, who is a gloried runningback with a big arm. I think the Colts too much at Jalen Hurts and thought Richardson can be Hurts. But Hurts is playing with a team that is good at every position. Guys like Richardson and Mitch Trubisky drive me crazy.
Anyways, my only hope is that we just get lucky and draft a QB next year after the first round expect that player to be a backup to Richardson but that QB becomes out true #1. Kind of what Brock Purdy did to Trey Lance. Lance, incidently, was a much better passing version of Richardson. But we need to get a QB who has multiple years starting experience, who is a better thrower than runner, and we will be fine. Of course, I am a Minshew fan, so if he came back, I am fine with that. Cracks me up when some of you say "Minshew is a good backup. Richardson is our franchise QB". Based on what? Because I Richardson was drafted high, he is a franchise QB? I guess that would make JaMarcus Russell and Ryan Leaf franchise QBs too, huh? Minshew started for the good part of two years in Jacksonville on really bad teams and put up great numbers. They didn't win much. But when Lawrence played the next year with the same cast, basically, he did worse. And then Minshew goes to Philly where they had already decided Hurts was their QB, so he never had a chance to win the starting job. Colts are like #6 in offense. Minshews passing and running is NOT the problem. Sure, has has to hold on the ball, but you can't play with the defense that gives up 35 points a game and expect to win.
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I would seriously take a QB if there was an actual accurate throwing QB and not a project that runs and you think you can teach him how to throw the ball. Mark my words, Richardson will be a bust as an accurate passing QB. He will get his runs and hit a long pass once awhile, but think of a better running Justin Fields. Bust. Since they likely won't be able to resign Minshew who likely will want to go somewhere with a chance to start, I would like to see the Colts get someone like J.J. McCarthy, Bo Nix, or, if lucky, Drake Maye. No Richardson or Mitch Trubisky types, please.
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Again, some Colts fans make my head spin. They think just because Richardson was drafted high, he is automatically a franchise QB and will do great things. Based on what? His college stats? No. His draft position? See Ryan Leaf, JaMarcus Russell, Akili Smith, etc. I get tired of this "Minshew is the best backup in the NFL". Minshew is a better NFL QB than Richardson. He always has been and always will be. The #1 attributes an NFL needs to have is the ability to read a defense, process what he is seeing, and deliver the ball accurate. It isn't throwing the ball 70 yards. Or running faster than everyone. Sure, it is helpful if he has a big arm ON TOP of what I mentioned. Or is fast on top of what I mentioned. The ONLY thing I have seen from Richardson is he is fast, has a strong arm, is good at throwing quick, redetermined passes, and gets hurt easily so far. When he has had to try to read a defense and put the ball down field, he is usually WAY off target. Very inaccurate, but that is what he has in college.
For me, Richardson\Minshew is very similar to Lance\Purdy. You can talk all you want about Lance having every physical aspect you want in a QB, but at the end of the day, Purdy is so much better at playing NFL QB. Minshew, to me, it much like Purdy. Not the biggest guy, but throws the ball incredibly accurately and processes quickly. I hope things turn out where Minshew is the starter and Richardson is a backup that comes in on short yardage situations.
The hype on Richardson is annoying. The guy will be 3-17 on 3rd and 4th down, but they will praise him. He will do nothing for 3 quarters than lead a few drives and they say "He put the team on his shoulders". WHAT?? He is the reason they did nothing for 3 quarters. He is too streaky. I hope Minshew does well the next 4 weeks and keeps him on the bench. Because, as I said, Minshew has been and always will be a better NFL QB than Richardson. At some point, you will see that is very clear.
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I find it so funny how everyone is going out of their way to elevate this guy and his play. Venturi raps up game by saying how impressed he was wtih Richadson. ha What a joke. You mean the guy who threw a terrible interception and threw a number of balls either too high or off target? Sorry, just because we spend the number 4 pick on a QB and HOPE he becomes good doesn't make him good. He is and will always be what she showed in college. Which is he has great athletic skills. But he makes bad decisions, has terrible ball placement, and is inaccurate.
I have never, ever seen a running QB who played one year of college football, have a losing record, barely completely over 50% of his passes, get into the pros and become a good passing QB. No Josh Allen didn't play one year of college football. Sorry. I have been a Colts fan since they were in Baltimore. I love the Colts. But I am not going to drink the Kool-Aid and just because the guy was a high pick, cheer about how good he is. If Sam Ehlinger had that same performance, we would probably say he should be 3rd string. It was a wasted pick, he is going to be a terrible failure as an ACCURATE, GOOD DECISIONS NFL QB, and I will look back at this 2-3 years from now when they have to clean house as him being what finally took it down. It is too bad, because I think Ballard is a good GM and I think Steichen could be a good coach. Gardner Minshew is clearly as better all around NFL QB than Richardson, but Irsay won't allow that to happen. Sad.
Oh well, Art Schlichter needs company as a bust #1 QB pick for the Colts
Richardson will never come close to be anywhere near Jeff George's overall career.
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Interesting perspective. I would say this. It is easy to play QB when you have a dominant offensive line and running attack. Look over the years at guys like David Garrard on the Jaquars. Or even back to Trent Dilfer winning Super Bowl with Ravens. I think any mid level QB would have have had Colts at 5-2 at that point. I don't think Brissett was good and then he got bad. I think he was always below average.
So I think it would be a mistake to roll Brissett out there again. I would prefer sign Rivers, trade Brissett, draft Fromm/Gordon. And give Kelly a real shot. Cream will rise to top.
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Nice story. But to me, comparing Love to Mahomes is like comparing Jake Fromm to Kurt Warner because they are similar size. Mahomes balled it out in big games. Love faded. Mahomes shows accuracy from all angles. Love is inaccurate. If the Colts draft Love, I will be sorely disappointed and feel strongly it will set the franchise back 3-4 year and probably be the end of Ballard/Reich
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1) Burrow
2) Tua
3) Herbert
4) Fromm
5) Gordon
6) Eason
7) Love
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As expected, I felt Gordon outplayed Love. I think he is a better prospect. I hope Colts pick a WR or DT at #1 and then get Gordon later in draft. Maybe at a WR at 34 and Gordon at 45 since I think he will move up on draft boards after Pro Day and combine.
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Here's the thing about playing QB. You have a few seconds before the snap to read the defensive and put your offense in the best position possible. Ball snapped, you basically have to process progressions, protection, and coverage in 3 seconds. Then you have to delivery the ball accurately to the right read. There is only a handful of people who can do that consistently. If you are born with that ability, you can be coached on how to make it better. But you cannot coach someone who doesn't already have it. So I get so frustrated that year after year QBs come into the NFL and you hear they have everything physically needed. They just need coaching. But most of the time, they are missing that ability to process what I described above. How many times do you read about a physically gifted player who is smart and eager to learn but never amounts to anything? If it was just coaching, someone like that would always succeed.
My point is, you have to look how a QB processes things instead of whether they have a huge arm or can run a 4.5. So when I hear about guys like Love or Eason and hear they have all the ability but just need the right coach, I shake my head because I don't think either will be that successful in the NFL.
Here's the thing about playing QB. You have a few seconds before the snap to read the defensive and put your offense in the best position possible. Ball snapped, you basically have to process progressions, protection, and coverage in 3 seconds. Then you have to delivery the ball accurately to the right read. There is only a handful of people who can do that consistently. If you are born with that ability, you can be coached on how to make it better. But you cannot coach someone who doesn't already have it. So I get so frustrated that year after year QBs come into the NFL and you hear they have everything physically needed. They just need coaching. But most of the time, they are missing that ability to process what I described above. How many times do you read about a physically gifted player who is smart and eager to learn but never amounts to anything? If it was just coaching, someone like that would always succeed.
My point is, you have to look how a QB processes things instead of whether they have a huge arm or can run a 4.5. So when I hear about guys like Love or Eason and hear they have all the ability but just need the right coach, I shake my head because I don't think either will be that successful in the NFL.
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1 hour ago, DougDew said:
Not sure what you have seen during college or post college to determine that one Qb is a game manager and another other is not. The physicality prism?
All the Qb can do is to see where to throw the ball, then throw it there accurately. The WRs have to go unscripted too, and find an open spot, or a spot that he can be lead to.
After 5 seconds from the snap of the ball, whether the Qb makes that decision and throws the ball from the pocket or by running to the right hash mark doesn't matter, other than being on the right hash mark provides half as many opportunities to see where to throw the ball and throw it there accurately.
If unscripted means that my $125 mil Qb is carrying the team by making 25 yard scrambles for TDs, and is treated as a runner, I don't want that. Its pretty to watch and nice to have, but its not really what the Qb position is about, IMO.
It is funny how this "game manager" tag gets stuck on Fromm. Last year Fromm threw 30 TDs, Love had 32. Yet, Love is the playmaker and Fromm a game manager. So this year Love throws 20 TDs and it is blamed on the changes in coaching and players around him. Fromm through less TDs this year because they had a run orientated team. But Fromm is a game manager. Or he has great talent around him. Couldn't that argument be made for Burrow? I like your points here. I like Fromm because he is decisive and accurate and go throw progressions well. As much as people like to say the NFL is changing you need QBs to make plays out of the pocket, if you look at the final 4 QBs, Mahomes in the only one I would say would do that. The players who succeed are ultimately the ones who make plays from the pocket. It always has been that way and always will be that way. Because it ultimately is about timing. Guys like Watson make a few nice plays a game but are inconsistent. I would rather have someone who is efficient and consistenly makes the right throws.
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12 minutes ago, Moosejawcolt said:
I said it awhile back and of course I could b wrong. The one qb that seems to fit what Reich wants is Fromm. We shall see. Draft Kinlaw and move up into the 1st and get Fromm. I really don't understand the love with all the qbs this year. I think they all have major flaws with the exception of Fromm. Even Burrows is a one year wonder. I like consistency over the span of a college career. I think that leads to long term success.
I agree with you. I think Fromm fits the offense the best. I like Fromm and Gordon.
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24 minutes ago, DougDew said:
From WalterFootball's coverage of the Senior Bowl. FWIW, he has already been harsh about Love's field vision. And he has him ranked as either 6th or 8th out of the QBs in the draft.
In the one-on-ones without a defensive or offensive line, Love seemed to throw the wrong route on one play, tossed the pass far behind Notre Dame's massive wideout Chase Claypool on another, and had a few other throws on which his accuracy was off. On the flip side, Love made some excellent passes, including a pretty corner post route to Ohio State wideout K.J. Hill after he got open against Wake Forest's Essang Bassey. Love had another nicely located pass to USC's Michael Pittman Jr. after he got some separation by turning vertically versus Utah's Terrell Burgess.
Love had some rough moments in the team scrimmage, including plays where he didn't see the field well. He also threw a ball up for grabs in the deep middle of the field like it was a wounded duck and was fortunate a defender could not chase the ball down for an interception. Love has a very good skill set, but his field vision is a crushing weakness at this time. It will be important for him to show improvement there over the next two practices to help his draft stock.This is exactly what I expect from him in the NFL. Again, I am not sure why people want the Colts to get this guy.
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On 1/21/2020 at 9:52 AM, Defjamz26 said:
The reason people like Gordon is simple. First the fanbase has never had to guess at QB. Our last two long term QB’s were 1st overall picks and consensus top QBs. So since we aren’t in position to draft that guy, no one wants to take a QB in the first.
Add on top of that the fact that most people don’t scout, they just look at box scores to evaluate. So Love in his final season had a mediocre stat line while Gordon had a superb one. So fobs lot of fans that makes him more of a sure thing.
Add that all up and what the fanbase wants is a 2nd round or later QB with who is low risk but super high reward. That QB doesn’t exist but people have manufactured that QB and his name is Anthony Gordon. Gordon is the manifestation of a fanbase who was spoiled with 2 decades worth of elite QB play from blue chip prospects, but is now suddenly in the position that others teams have been in where they have to “find” their QB of the future. That uncertainty frightens people more than they care to admit so this is why people want to take the passive approach.
It’s easy to laugh at the Paxton Lynch, Blake Bortles, and Blaine Gabbert’s of the world when your franchise never has to be in that position. Now the shoe is on the other foot. But people would rather try an shoot the wings off a flea and find the next Dak Prescott in the later rounds than throw some darts at the dart board and find the next DeShaun Watson or Patrick Mahomes.
I respectfully disagree with you. I coach football. I work specifically with QBs and evaluate QBs. In my opinion, Gordon is a better prospect than Love. He has better mechanics, accuracy, and progresses through reads better. Has nothing do with stats. It is about studying passing situations, ball placement, and decision making.
I would argue the opposite. There seems to be this big Jordan Love push on here because he statistically had a good season last year and people think he is physically similar to Patrick Mahomes. Is that a good way to evaluate QBs?
I would not take a QB at 13 if Burrow and Tua are gone. I don't think there is another QB worth that pick. However, in the second tier, would take a flyer on Gordon over Love. I think Love will be a mediocre NFL QB. A more mobile Jameis Winston. Gordon might be another Aaron Rodgers. Or he might be another mediocre backup. That is the risk in picking QBs who are not #1 overall picks. So I agree with you on that point that Colts fan have gotten spoiled.
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I would like this draft. I am a big Gordon fan.
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IMHO, Burrow and Tua are the class of the draft and no other QBs deserve to be taken at 13.
So my idea scenerio would be to sign Rivers for one or two years, use the 13th pick to get a receiver or DT, and then get a guy like Gordon or Fromm in the 2nd or 3rd if they last that long. Would put us into position and win and I like their upside. I think Gordon could be really good but he needs some time. I have stated I would avoid Love at all costs.
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Why do we keep thinking we can take QBs and coach them up to the next level? Isn't it pretty obvious that Brissett and Winston are who they are going to be? Should be pick up Mitchell Trubinsky and coach him up? As a coach, you can only do so much. They either have it or they don't.
Actually, I would be more interested in Rivers for a year and drafting a guy like Fromm or Gordon to groom. But please no Winston or Brissett.
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11 hours ago, Chloe6124 said:
Why would they cut ties with Rivers and being in a guy five years older.
One of the wisest questions I have seen on here ever! I totally agree. Why would you think an older Brady would be any better behind a bad o-line?
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On 1/16/2020 at 1:21 AM, The_Ricktator said:
He literally has a clean pocket to throw from and is throwing it up to wide open WR's.
I know it is difficult evaluating QBs because you have to consider what talent is around them, their coaching, and other factors. For example, Tom Brady seems to have forever to throw the ball and rarely are the targets contested. They are usually wide open. Watch the Super Bowl between the Pats and Eagles. Most of Nick Foles throws are contested were Brady usually has wide open receivers and little pressure. But I get what you are saying about Gordon.
Why Gordon impresses me is that he very quickly makes reads and gets rid of the ball fast. More often, the ball is throw in the best place it could be thrown. He will hit receivers in stride so they don't have to slow down. He is very decisive, which is something JB has never been.
So that is why I make the case I like Gordon over Love. Two guys can both complete the same pass, but it is how they do it and the placement that tells me something. I like Gordon is a better QB then Love. Loves accuracy is up and down.
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Tom Brady at QB here at his age and level would be another 8-8 season. He will only succeed on NE, I believe. So no thanks.
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I believe the only two QBs worth trading up for are Burrow and Tua. Otherwise, I wouldn't pick a QB in the first round. And that includes Herbert. I get a QB like Gordon or Fromm top of 2nd. I predict Gordon will go higher than 3rd.
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For the Love defenders, how can you actually watch these highlights and blame this all on coaching or receivers. He throws out patterns over and over. Terrible interception in end zone. Terrible accuracy on some passes. But you say it is all because of turnover on the coaching and players? I don't see it. I have no favorite QB in this draft. Honestly, I think Burrow is the only QB that is a sure fire thing. But watch any Anthony Gordon highlights and tell me what Love does better than Gordon? Gordon has better release, better touch, better accuracy. He spreads the ball more and makes better reads. Love is playing Brissett. Again, we all have our opinions and mine is no more valid. I really don't see what you see in this guy. But lets revisit this in 2-3. I predict he will be an hot and cold player that drives the coaches nuts until he is replaced.
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4 hours ago, Chloe6124 said:
Everyone can have a favorite QB as a fan you want to draft. But your not being honest if you don’t see all the talent that Love has.
There is a handful of people in the world who can read defense pre-snap, make progressive reads in less than 3 seconds, and delivery the ball accurately consistently. There are many QBs who have amazing physical gifts. Love has amazing physical skills. From what I have watched, he doesn't have the whole package.
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1 hour ago, Defjamz26 said:
Countering with the Case for the Love. Exhibit A: Kyle Crabbs summary
https://thedraftnetwork.com/player/jordan-love/PbA4nRzHfK
Player Summary - Jordan Love has franchise quarterback qualities and should be regarded as a prospect with a Pro Bowl ceiling. Love's statistical regression in 2019 isn't indicative of a regression in skills or decision making — was a victim of poor supporting cast in many instances. Love will need patience and must go to a team with coaching staff able to nurture, develop and cater passing schemes to where he thrives. He isn't plug and play but he's a potential game changing QB.
Updated: 12/23/2019
We all have our opinions and I could be completely wrong. You can probably find as many articles saying Ryan Leaf would be better than Peyton Manning. I am just stating that from watching his game videos and analyzing situational football, I think it would be a mistake to take him. I think he has too much he has to get better at.
Richardson will never come close to be anywhere near Jeff George's overall career.
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It blows my mind how much of media and fans will push a narrative. For example, one media person said "Against the Rams, Ricardson was the best player on the field". hahaha Or called a "franchise QB" and "the next great Colts QB". Tell me this...based on what???? That he was drafted high? So where JaMarcus Russell, Ryan Leaf, and Akili Smith. That he is an athletic monster? So were Tim Tebow and Trey Lance. Or, is it because he was drafted high, he has physical traits, and we are told that he will be those things?
So I suggest those who drink the Kool-Aid refer to Justin Fields. Similar player with much more experience in college. A good runner for a QB who is inaccurate as a passer. But every year we hear "Oh, but he is progressing". Compared to who? Fields got sacked 1 time out of every 9 passes. Ok, they blame poor offense line. But when Tyson Baggert, a college free agent who had to play as a rookie, started games, he was sacked 1 time out of every 29 passes. So did the line suddenly get better? Yet, there are STILL media people pushing that Fields has this great potention. Come on, after three seasons, I think we know what he is. An inaccurate, indecisive QB who can run. And new to the world. QBs are supposed to be PASSERS first.
Anthony Richardson seems like a good, hardworking guy. But I have little doubt he will be a bust as an accurate, decisive NFL QB. He will run and that will make highlight films. He will have an ocassional nice pass or game. But overall, he will be a bust.
That is why I am praying the Colts resign Gardner Minshew. Because he is and will always be a better NFL QB than Richardson. Mark my words. If we lose Minshew. we better draft another QB prospect like Michael Pratt and just hope he can be a Brock Purdy type gem, because Anthony Richardson is our Trey Lance. I guarantee it.