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9 minutes ago, ColtStrong2013 said:
Seems like projection to me…Maybe I am mistaken your passion for the team as frustration, which I can respect.
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39 minutes ago, ColtStrong2013 said:
you changed the entire argument, when you were called out for bringing Roseman in to the conversation and using incorrect information to try and prove your opinion.
You know in debate, changing the original conversation to something that’s more distracting, like someone else’s perceived emotions, is called a red herring. You are doing great at it. Signs of a losing argument.! 👍
See this is where we differ. Im not trying to win an argument. Im just letting my opinion be known. You don't like my opinion because it doesn't match yours. Its upsetting you. Your argument consists of pointing out the very minimal successes of this team in the last 7 years while ignoring the massive failures. Your so enamored with Ballard you cant take your rose colored glasses off and you refuse to look at the big picture and accept that for every success in Ballards tenure there has been 3 failures. Which is fine its quite a common thing among fans, the inability to have an unbiased view and opinion. Anyway ive made my opinion known and as I said before, the proof is in the pudding. And right now there is no pudding. We will see if that changes. When and if it does I will eat crow. However I fully believe we will have a new GM well before any real success comes to this team. Best wishes friend.
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9 minutes ago, NewColtsFan said:
Irsay has been clean and sober for roughly a decade. Your unhappiness with him stems from not agreeing with the direction of the team. The team has been trying to win in the window they had. Hardly a bad thing. Now the Colts have created a new window around Richardson. If he does good, everyone should be happy. And if not, Ballard will be shown the door.I never said he fell off the wagon, I believe he is still sober, even though there was some rumors during the whole Wentz, Ryan debacle coming from people with sources in the building.
I whole heartedly agree with the second part of your post. I just wish Irsay had hired a new GM along with Steichen to pursue this new window. That is all.
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1 minute ago, NewColtsFan said:
The rope that Ballard has been given, do you know who it comes from? His name is Jim Irsay. The same him Irsay who fired Ryan Grigson who had a far superior record (49-31) and had 3 years left on his contract. But Irsay called Ballard the best GM in football as recent as Sept of 22.
Before he became the owner of the Colts, Irsay was the GM of the Colts. He’s got an idea of how the job should be run.
Yah well Irsay hasn't exactly been the shining example of how to run a team in the last 10 years either. Before that yes he was great. Sadly its been a bit of a down turn, reminiscent of Irsay Sr. Not to the same levels though.
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Just now, ColtStrong2013 said:
if you think this makes me emotional in any way, you are as off as you are on the stats you use to support your pitiful argument.
im perfectly chill watching the colts play.
The way your posting has turned your clearly triggered. Its ok. I get it. My stats are not that far off. Check again. You cherry pick the tiniest things from the big picture to make your argument lol while ignoring the massive flaws. Thats what people will do when they have only straws to grasp from.
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Just now, ColtStrong2013 said:
at least I use facts to support mine.ok bud, go be mad somewhere else now
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4 minutes ago, NewColtsFan said:
So what’s your argument? That Chris Ballard isn’t as good as Howie Roseman? Ballard isn’t as good as the best GM in the NFL? So? Neither are the other 30 GMs. I don’t think that’s much of a knock on CB.All ive been saying the whole time is Ballard at best has been average, IMO he has not shown enough in 7 years to garner the kind of rope that Roseman got in Philly. Clearly I have upset some people haha.
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36 minutes ago, ColtStrong2013 said:
your opinion is irrelevant though. Your opinion obviously isn’t the opinion of the Irsay family. And rightfully so. You can’t even get the facts right to support your argument. Not even close.Your opinion is as irrelevant as mine sorry to break it to you lol
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Just now, ColtStrong2013 said:
not one person thought they would come close when Wentz down in ‘17. It was really a miraculous run.
but that’s not the discussion at hand, but you keep on using it to prove a point that isn’t even relative. The whole point is that they didn’t fire Roseman after a similar start. They kept to the process and it paid dividends. They didn’t fire him after winning 22 games in 3 years, they stuck to the process and now they have an elite team.
Yah but my point is he showed so much more competence in his first 7 years in order to garner a long leash. Ballard has not done that. IMO.
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10 minutes ago, ColtStrong2013 said:
in the first seven years, when everyone is bringing Ballard’s record in as the main discussion, yes, there is plenty of comparison. You cannot use the last 6 seasons of Roseman’s career as gm as substance when comparing Ballard’s first 7 seasons.
they both fired multiple coaches. They both utilized vet qbs. Ballard has a playoff win under his belt when Roseman did not. It’s not hard to comprehend, you are just bringing fake information in to make a point that doesn’t exist.
lol he built the team up, won the division more than once and won a SB in 2017. You think the Colts are winning a SB next year or even close. I would say we might not even be close to winning the division in next year.
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12 hours ago, ColtStrong2013 said:
you are making stuff up dude. Roseman was hired in 2010. Philly won the division in 2010 and 2013.. They went 56-58 in his first 7 seasons which includes losses in the wildcard playoff round in ‘10 and ‘13. They made the playoffs twice with zero wins in his first 7 years.
In between Super Bowl runs? They made the playoffs three times winning just 9 games, including winning the division one of those years. 1-2 in the playoffs those three years. Went 4-11-1 in 2020.
I don’t dispute his eagles team now is very good now, but to say his first 7 years was far better than Ballard’s in any capacity is hilarious. They didn’t kick it off until year 8, in Pederson’s second year there…. With a second year Carson Wentz looking like an mvp, And an incredible run with a backup Nick foles.
Even with my math is wrong there is still no comparison.
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59 minutes ago, ColtStrong2013 said:
of course he is. He has twice as much time as gm and a Super Bowl under his belt. Possibly another this year.
but in the first seven years, comparatively? Not much difference.
2018? and then his franchise qb that he had drafted and built the roster around the first two offseasons retires.
Also in Roseman's first 7 years he also had a 69-59 record with 3 division titles and then a SB in his 8th year. So its really not a comparison comparing his first 7 years to Ballards first 7.
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4 minutes ago, ColtStrong2013 said:
I didn’t say he was although I’d love your crystal ball, or delusions of thinking you know the future.
I was simply referring to your comment that he won a Super Bowl in the same amount of time, which he definitely did not, and when you realized that, you responded with the above. lol.
That response wasn't for you if you look a little closer.
Not saying I know the future, but Roseman did much more in his first 7 years than Ballard has. Much, Much more.
Its fine that you like him and want to give him lots of rope. I dont disagree that a GM should be given time. But he has to show more in the first 7 years to get that rope. Just my opinion.
Not trying to trigger anyone to hard I just dont think Ballard will ever get this team past mediocre. When and if it happens I will eat crow, but so far no dice. Until im proven wrong im sticking to my stance.
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1 minute ago, husker61 said:
so the colts have a premium position player in Buckner. So much for the argument Ballard doesn’t have those high payer players at premium positions. You may be adding Grover Stewart since it looks like he may be getting a big payday in the future.I will give Ballard Buckner, although he is not the nearly the pass rusher Donald or Chris Jones have been. Otherwise its generally EDGE that is considered premium. Either way dude your trying to argue that we shouldnt have good players at premium positions lol. If thats what you desire than Ballard is your kind of GM lol.
6 minutes ago, ColtStrong2013 said:
in the same amount of time? Howie roseman was hired in 2010 bud…let’s peek at philly’s record by year.
2010- 10-6 with Andy Reid as coach
2011- 8-8 “” “”
2012- 4-12. Andy Reid still coach
2013 10-6 chip kelly
2014 10-6 chip kelly
2015 7-9 Kelly fired
2016 7-9 Pederson
2017 13-3 Super Bowl with pederson
2018 9-7
2019 9-7
2020- 4-11-1 pederson fired
2021 9-8 sirianni hired
2022- 14-3 Super Bowl loss
I think some people need to take a step back and realize what successful gm’s did. They were given time, they were allowed to make mistakes and hire/fire coaches. Half this board seems like they would fire Ballard tomorrow and start from scratch not realizing what a giant mistake that would be. Stick it out and cheer for your Colts. We’ve got a gm that has put together competitive teams with mediocre qb play, and we might finally have our franchise qb. Go blue
Ballard is not Roseman and never will be sorry man.
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1 minute ago, husker61 said:
looks like you are justifying other positions to try and make your point. The premium positions people are talking about are qb, wr, lt, de, and cb. Please show me what players on that list play those positions.Lol what? You cant be serious. All the players on that list play premium positions. Kelce is a tight end but is a WR. Donald plays DT but is a pass rusher. Are you high? Im done here
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14 minutes ago, husker61 said:
everyone agrees on the qb, it’s the other positions where this argument falls short. Tell me how many had more? The colts had several for a lot of years (maybe 20?) and won one sb. That kind of kills your argument.2023 KC: Mahomes. Kelce (Basically a WR), Chris Jones
2022 Rams: Stafford, Kupp, Donald, Ramsey
2021 Bucs: Brady, Evans, a slough of good corners and pass rushers.
2020 Chiefs: Mahomes, Kelce, Tyreek HIll, Chris Jones
2019 Pats: Brady and BB
2018 Eagles: This one is kind of an outlier
2017 Pats: Brady and BB
2016 Broncos: Manning, D Thomas, Von Miller, Aquib Talib
2015 Pats: Brady and BB
2014 Seahawks: Russell Wilson and probably the greatest secondary ever
I mean it goes on and on and on. Theres one constant. They all have really good quarterbacks and a couple stars and premium positions. Maybe not all of them were on big contracts at the time but they would all go on to get those big contracts.
Ballard has acquired none of these type of players. None at all in 7 years. He is not BB and we dont have Tom Brady lol. So im not sure what your trying to argue?
**EDIT** Oh yah and I didn't even look at LT. Can guarantee most of those teams had top notch LT's as well
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4 minutes ago, husker61 said:
I don’t understand the whole big contract thing. I seem to remember the pats that had a very good gm, would trade or let players go that were going to get big contracts except Brady. Did they have a top payed de, wr, cb (maybe one), or lt? How many hof players were there over those years? How many players left those teams and were as good or better with another team? A great qb and a top defensive coach makes a big difference. Being a top gm isn’t judged by how many top contract players you have!
You want players at premium positions worthy of big contracts. You cant compare any team ever to BB and Tom Brady the greatest HC QB duo in history. That just doesn't make sense. Look back at the last 20 SB winners not counting the Pats. They all had superstars at at least one if not more of the premium positions.
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1 hour ago, ColtStrong2013 said:
Grigson did nothing… he inherited a left tackle in Castonzo, a pass rusher in Mathis, a receiver in Wayne and the easy decision of drafting Andrew luck. What a joke.
he also spent more wasted money on guys that never did anything for this franchise and some here try to convince others that Ballard is a dummy for not spending boat loads of money…
Agreed Grigson did nothing but inherit good players and a number 1 pick. He certainly didn't set up Ballard for success either.
However its my opinion that 7 years is more than enough time to build a contending team. Ballard has not done that.
People can argue on and on and on how solid the roster is. Were just a few pieces away. Fact is its a results driven league and the results are not their.
It boggles my brain that in 7 years he has not acquired one star worthy of a big contract at QB, LT, WR, Pass Rush, or Corner.
The verdict is out on Raimann and AR, but it took 7 years lol? Pittman might get a big contract but he is probably a number 2 on SB contending teams.
Hell the guy in Philly has built two separate contending teams with 1 SB and another appearance in the same amount of time.
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3 minutes ago, ColtStrong2013 said:
I don’t think the Ballard haters have much ability to step out and look at the options and really make a case for what could have been better. There were not many during his time. Especially without taking more risk. He wanted to build slowly, cost effectively (to the Irsay’s delight of cash savings im sure) while fielding competitive teams, which he unquestionably has. We won 4 games last year. One of them was against the Super Bowl champion, and one of the losses was a sole possession game against the runner-up. Step back and really look at the substance of the last seven years and compare it to the previous 7.I have. The previous 7 years we had Wr's, a Lt, a QB, corners, some pass rush, a couple division titles and a winning record. Grigson inherited most of that so im not saying he was a good GM either. 7 years in with Ballard we have no big contract at any premium position. Not a winning record, no division titles. Thats embarrassing IMO.
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10 minutes ago, ColtStrong2013 said:
#1, this assumes that Irsay didn’t meddle entirely with the qb decisions, which I believe he forced with Frank’s input over Ballard’s. It was well known that we were hot on Herbert. Ed Dodds scouted him himself. We that pick for Buckner. It was also known that Ballard liked Fields and we went the Wentz route, which was clearly a Frank Reich influenced move in which he apologized for after the season.
#2 paying non-premium positions isn’t an issue when you have no availability at the premium positions and those that you are paying are the stars you have drafted. The cap space situation under Ballard is top notch. That’s much thanks to Mike Bluem and Ballard’s slow process. Why rush when you don’t have a stable qb room and developing premium positions? Free agency spending? Who wants to come to Indy? It’s always funny to me when people use that argument. No one is coming here on a deal that isn’t overspending. We didn’t have many options for premium positions in free agency.
#3 many new gms are fired by year 3, let’s make that clear. The successful ones all point to successful qb play. the singe reason (even though he says otherwise) Chris Ballard took this position was because of Andrew Luck. Not many teams would lose Andrew Luck and win the games this franchise has won. aside from the 2017 and 2022 seasons, this franchise has been pretty damn competitive under Ballard’s management. Those season’s resulted in coaching changes and subsequent success the following years.
My decision on Ballard is out until AR is back on that field. If he busts, I will be amongst those saying he didn’t succeed here. The jury is still very much out in my opinion. I don’t blame Irsay’s for rolling with him and the current situation for a few more years.
Regarding number 2 lol. So whos fault is it then that we dont have any players at premium positions to pay? Your kind of making a case for the Ballard haters.
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Not sure Ballard deserves 2nd tier. 7 years in, below .500, no division titles, no big contracts at any premium positions meaning, QB, WR, LT, Pass Rush, Corner. You would think 7 years in we would have 1 of those things lol.
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Surprised it happened mid season but ultimately was the right play. Darious Leneord was a beast. Shaq got injured, got paid and was a complete shell of Darious.
Best wishes
Im actually pretty happy to see the organization making the hard but right call for once.
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He is a shell of his former self. He got roasted so many times yesterday. He is an 8 million dollar linebacker at most lol not 20 mil. Ballard needs to fix this after the season.
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A win is a win, especially against the Pats and BB. That look made my day. My biggest takeaway is just how many times Shaq got roasted. He needs to go, or his contract needs to be reworked so he is making about a third of the 20 mil.
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