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My only issue with the topic is that if so many other teams are willing to work with him, why don't the Colts? I know we will soon have another young turk for a QB but why not move into the "new era" with established leadership and not rush into it blindly trusting that the "experts" were right?http://bleacherrepor...-thinking-trade
I agree with this article. It may not work, but we can at least try and see if something can be done to help both sides. In the article the writer is also suggesting we can still trade him to a team Peyton prefers to play for, and still get compensation back for him.
Please no outrageous comments on this thread, its just something I think worth considering so we can better the franchise.
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The Colts have an opportunity to acquire new team members and effect a sort of "change of command" and though it may be difficult the winning ways of the past decade don't have to stop yet. Like Samuel Clemens said "the reports of my death were greatly exaggerated."
The Colts aren't dead just yet, just taking a little break.
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It's just the "seasonal" morph when football is over, they'll get back to normal in August or September......I agree. ESPN is starting to morph into a bad joke of a Sports network.
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I remember reading somewhere the cap hit is more like $10 million.That would be a good idea, if it weren't for the fact that by simply signing him and trading him, we are forced to 'eat' 30+ million dollars of cap space, for a guy that won't be playing for us. I would totally agree with you if it weren't for that fact.
This cap business is some serious stuff when you look at it.
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If they let him go they not only get nothing but they still have a cap hit to pay for. Hopefully both sides will be reasonable and get the job done to keep PM in the fold.There is absolutely NO way I let a healthy Peyton Manning simply walk away from the Colts without the Colts getting something of value in return.
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Because people keep posting to it. If it doesn't interest you then why do you ask the question?Is there a reason this thread is still open?
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Just remembering PMs attitude when he was negotiating his present contract should be source enough that salary isn't as important with him. He took less money than was offered to free some up to keep other key players also in negotiations.Could you also provide a source for Peyton not caring about his salary? It would be nice if this is true, but I haven't seen anything anywhere that Peyton just wants Pagano to be able to field a good team and cares nothing about his salary. It sounds like this is what you think he should think.
A gesture like that goes a long way in my book, it also tells me he won't be greedy.
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Excellent analysis for someone with such a flattering photo.....well done.I still don't understand this notion people have that having Peyton Manning back will have a negative impact. The vast majority of reports and sources are saying Peyton is looking better and better with each passing week. Some reports have said he looks even a little stronger than he used to be, which makes sense given that one of the positive side effects of the neck fusion surgery is that Peyton will have a greater lateral range in his throwing motions. The fusion as we're all aware was a 100% success, and although his nerve in his neck may only be (what appears to be) somewhere from 70-80%, he has plenty of time to heal. Peyton has been arguably one of the most dedicated and hard working players to ever play the game. He's just as dedicated to his rehab process.
Here is a breakdown of the team's veteran contracts --> http://www.coltsauth...-contracts.html
Freeney eats up most of this year's cap space, and may be willing to restructure a portion of his deal for Mathis, if he deems it necessary. I'm more than willing to wager Peyton is going to be released by the team and then signed right back three days later (when the league year begins with free agency) with an incentive laden, reduced cap contract, probably for 3 or 4 years. At this point, he cares nothing for his salary, largely because he's a triple-digit millionaire. All he'll want is for Pagano to be able to field a good team. Antoine Bethea earned his salary last year, and who knows, he may be willing to restructure a small portion if it allows the team to sign Mathis back. After this we start to dip into the players who are either going to be asked to take a good reduction in their contracts or be cut. These players include Clark, Brackett, Bullitt, Addai, Johnson, and Diles, and I wouldn't be surprised to see Brackett, Addai, Johnson, and Diles all gone. Vinatieri would free up some cap space if cut, but the amount of money saved is miniscule compared to keeping him through 2013. This essentially frees up roughly $15 million, and if the retained players mentioned above take reduced contracts, the team could potentially free up an additional $4-6 million. And, thanks largely to the new collective bargaining agreement, the floor price of the market value for veteran free agents is lowered (which enabled the team to sign Anderson, Brayton and Sims last year at relatively low costs). Fortunately this offseason there is a good stock of veteran defensive and offensive linemen, both of which the Colts will need.
Having a more solid front 7 in the new 3-4 base defense weighs more heavily than having a solid secondary. The pass rush in a 3-4 is designed to confuse and pressure quarterbacks, whereby mistakes are made, routes and snaps are mistimed, and passes are thrown inaccurately. Houston has average safeties and one quality corner in Jonathan Joseph, yet they're top 3 in defensive rankings. Dallas ranked 14th overall in defense and has a secondary almost as worse as the Colts, if not worse. Cleveland had the tenth overall best defense, and only this season did they see their secondary produce playmakers. If Wade Phillips turned Houston around from one of the worst defenses in the league to top 5 in the league, I'm more than willing to side with the idea that Pagano can at least turn the Colts defense around to a top 10 defense.
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Incentives my man, incentives for performance will get him to sign ze papah!Well if we had the #1 pick in recent drafts you still have to factor in Mannings contract. I dont understand this scenario of just rewinding everything a year.
How do you know the 'most likely' scenario is Manning would take a long term deal worth far less money? I don't see any signs pointing to this. Any long term deal would mean the Colts have Manning dead set as their short term future and would worry about the long term future after he retires. This completely goes against taking Luck as Luck is the long term future(or any QB #1). This is why trading the pick makes more sense if the Colts are commited to Manning for the next 'x' amount of years. Surround him with the best talent the Colts can and get to the Super Bowl.
I have not heard anyone suggest Manning would sign a long term deal for less money. I've heard a 1 or 2 year deal which makes the most sense IF it is an absolute must to have Manning back. This way you get Manning for a year or two, Luck to sit and learn, and Manning's health is not a huge risk. Unfortunately I dont think Manning will settle for a 5mill contract. We're talking Travaris Jackson money.
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A cornerback as the first pick was ludicrous and I don't know who started it. Stats at the combine mean little except to reinforce what was already known and I agree that starting the rookie year is desireable for the player but isn't imperative just because of draft position, good blog overall though for once I agree with Balzer.Before I post my reply, just know I am in no way trying to insult the intelligence of any Colts fan presently here, but half of what has been said so far is ridiculous. First off, when was the last time, if ever, a cornerback was taken #1 overall in the NFL Draft? Morris Claibourne is undoubtedly the best CB prospect of this year's draft class, but he is by no means, at ALL, the best CB prospect of all time. Patrick Peterson is considered a much better CB prospect than Claibourne. The only edge Claibourne has on Peterson is height, by a couple of inches, and generally regarded as a better man-coverage corner. I have no idea where you heard that Claibourne is the best CB prospect of all time, but think about that claim for a moment. You're accepting that he's going to be a better prospect than not only Patrick Peterson, but also guys like Darrelle Revis, Nnamdi Asomugha, Charles Woodson, and Deion Sanders. That in itself is insanity to claim.
Moving on to Trent Richardson...people, people, people. Richardson is a dynamic back, but let's not forget he also played behind a superior offensive line at Alabama, and correct me if I'm wrong but I believe they had THREE All-American offensive linemen, and one of their guards won the national Best Offensive Lineman award. The Colts are in the bottom tier in terms of how their offensive line ranks among the rest of the NFL. The only teams with probably worse offensive linemen are the Bears and Vikings. Drafting Richardson would only mean he'll have a lackluster to horrific career for his first few years until the Colts developed a bruteforce offensive line corp. This is why teams are beginning to shy away from drafting running backs in the 1st round until they're confident they have a good rushing attack.
Now for the most probable first overall pick the Colts will take, Andrew Luck. People, Luck is no Ryan Leaf or Jamarcus Russell. He's a vastly superior player to both of them not just in terms of being a quarterback, but an overall athlete. He mastered a pro-style offense and called his own plays. He checks off receivers. He made decent receivers out of walk-on players for Stanford after his starting WR core was injury-ridden. Did any of you watch the NFL Combine? If you did, you'd know that Luck put up better stats than Cam Newton did at the Combine in '11. He ran a 4.59 40-yard dash, and the guy is 6'4, 225 lbs. I don't know why people keep ragging on his arm strength. Without even using his lower body for torque, Luck can throw a pass almost 50 yards, using his upper body strength only. Who cares if he can't throw a cannon shot like Stafford or Cutler? He has a quick release time that rivals that of Peyton, and pinpoint, on-the-numbers accuracy. I'll take quick release and accuracy with pretty good arm strength over great arm strength and mediocre release and accuracy. Not to mention arm strength is something that can be honed and improved over time.
Outside of our first pick, the Colts will need a 3-4 nose-tackle, preferrably Dontari Poe if he's available. For all we know, the Colts CB's could be great under Pagano's 3-4 defense. 3-4 schemes usually involve more man coverage, something which Jerraud Powers has shown he can excel at, and a mix of zone blitzes like the Steelers run, and generally allow for the safeties to be more versatile and roam the field more. Think about the number of defenses who currently run a 3-4 scheme. How many aren't considered a good defense? Maybe the Chiefs, and that's it. Every other 3-4 defense is in the upper half of the league in terms of ranking, most notably the Ravens, Texans, Steelers, 49ers and Chargers. Plus, look at how defenses have fared under every previous Raven's defensive coordinator who was given a head coaching job somewhere. They've been pretty good.
The media, the fans, and the general public need to stop sharing the mindset that the first overall pick of the draft has to play right away. Luck learning behind Peyton in Bruce Arians' offensive scheme, along with an aggressive 3-4 defense from a defensive-minded coach, coupled with a relatively easy schedule means the Colts could be a deadly team next year.
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By "we" are you referring to the group that has no factual information either way but prefers to offer opinions?sweet, we got one person!
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Your opinion is appreciated, when you have any hard news we'll appreciate that too.manning isn't coming back
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Hey now, enhance your mellow, nobody knows what is going to happen yet. Even Rob Lowe is keeping quiet.Luck is not a backup QB. The Colts are not drafting Luck to be a backup for the entirety of his contract. This is the point I am trying to get across. Luck is a starting quarterback and is likely going to be the next franchise QB for the Colts. Not a 22m+ bench warmer. Do you get it yet?
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But he might sit for a year if he is as smart as they say. Start the next year with everyone behind him and always be remembered as the man that let the great one go out gracefully. The hearts of Hoosiers and Colts fans would be his for the taking.I don't know why I'm even arguing this point but there is no way in heck Luck will sit for 4 years behind Manning.
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From ESPN:
On Saturday, Kansas City coach Romeo Crennel let it slip that the Chiefs would be interested in pursuing the four-time league MVP -- if the Colts let him leave as a free agent.
"I'm not supposed to talk about anybody else's players, and he's still a player with Indianapolis," Crennel said, referring to the league's tampering rules. "But with a talent like that, I would be crazy not to consider it if he were available. I'll leave it at that."
The NFL is considering tampering charges but with all the interest from all over it isn't likely anything will come of it.
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I read something about this several days ago but I don't remember where I saw it. I'll see if I can find the reference again.
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Is this what you read? Got it off a Cardinals site pretty much says what you were talking about.It was actually "peytons people" about two weeks ago. I will try to locate a link.
Peyton Manning Willing To Agree To Incentive-Laden Contract
by Jess Root on Feb 6, 2012 9:00 AM MST in General Arizona Cardinals News
With the offseason now officially here, Peyton Manning Watch will begin. Most are familiar with the situation. He is due a $28 million bonus. As such, combined with his recovering from neck surgery, it looks likely that the Indianapolis Colts will release him before the March 8 date when he is due that money. If that happens, there will be a bunch of interested teams, reportedly including the Arizona Cardinals.
One thing that could be a concern for teams is the contract they would have to offer him to get him to their team. However, it is being reported by ESPN that Manning is willing to work out a contract that includes little or no up-front, guaranteed money.
his is great news for almost any possible team involved. Manning has been nothing but clear about his intentions to play in 2012, and it seems like he is willing to take the financial risk.
Says the ESPN report:
Manning is completely open to creating a contract in which he would be paid little or no guaranteed money up front and he would have to earn every cent he makes strictly through performance, according to sources.An example of how it would work is that Manning's contract could wind up having a big roster bonus due on the first day of the season, and another big bonus based on the number of games he starts in a season. It is a formula that can be used for the length of the contract, limiting the amount of guaranteed money paid up front and ensuring that Manning would have to play to earn his pay.This is exactly the type of player that teams will want. Manning will be hungry -- ready to prove he is not done. He is willing to take the financial hit if he is unable to play. That says a lot about he confidence he has in his ability to come back.
If the Cardinals have a chance to acquire him, this is the most telling sign so far that it will be a good move. If they can sign him, they are going to get a guy ready to play at a high level.
Such a contract may also make it possible for the the team to be able to keep <a class="sbn-auto-link" href="http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/players/1342/kevin-kolb">Kevin Kolb around if that is something they wish to do. That might not happen, but at least there might be the flexibility financially to pull it off in the case Manning is not ready to start the season.
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Nice post, I couldn't agree more.Show me some occasions where Caldwell went in and made half-time adjustments that changed the course of the game. Show me some occasions where he game planned (especially this past season) better than the opposing coaches. Show me where he made any changes once Manning couldn't go that put this team in better positions to win.
I can't find any of note, so there is your answer to wanting Caldwell gone.
And that Super Bowl you talked about, he was clearly out coached by Sean Payton
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I hate it when someone uses reason and logic to follow up an unreasonable and illogical statement.....again the doubts enter the mind.Actually, there is precedent of players being traded back to their old team for one day, so that they can retire as a player of their old team.
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Yep and yep. Made me laugh just thinking of the possibilities......There's a joke there, but I'm pretty sure it will get me a vacation from posting
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Pep rally for both of them, while the Colts will probably pick Luck, they both look like winners.
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I'm sure he meant disgusting sheep in a nice way......Perhaps you'll get a better response from your reader if you don't start off by calling them a disgusting sheep.
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Because he said he wants to retire a Colt, not a lot of gray area there.they're not taking a QB #1 overall to sit him two years. Take that statement as whatever you want but you can bank on it.
Don Banks (Sports Illustrated) said he got the impression while talking to Irsay that he genuinely wanted PM back; but not beyond a one year 'victory lap' type of deal.
My guess is this is probably accurate--one year for the fans to say goodbye, ready Luck, attendance and team coverage via ESPN is heightened b/c it's Peyton's last year in Indy. And why would PM want to agree to that?
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Hey froggie, how do you know all this? Or are you a number cruncher cleverly disguised as a fan????Let me fix it up for you.
Yes, that is a problem.
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