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People act as though we had great O-lines under Polian. We didn't. We rarely ran the ball with any consistency, and Manning made the pass protection look infinitely better than it actually was. With limited time, resources and opportunities, I'd say Grigson has done about as well as he could.
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Let's just hope he can stay out of the hospital. Luck's ability covered up a lot of poor line work, but eventually at this pace, he is going to take beatings that are reminders of Harbaugh.
When, as today, they can't be blocked, the play calling must be better to protect him. Manning often played behind similar crap protection, but was rarely touched due to his play calling, recognition and decision making. Luck has been hit more in this preseason than Manning ever was in a year.
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Same as during the Polian era. We have the two most difficult things to find - franchise QB and edge pass rushers. Hopefully Grigson is better at rounding out the team than Polian was.
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They were bad, but they were often just as bad under Manning. Some of it has to be offset by play calling and decision making. In a game like this, Manning would throw slants, quick outs and dumpoffs to the RBs until their pass rushers were frustrated. You saw him go entire games playing in that mode.
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This looks like a Manning era game - no running game, no run defense.
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I'd like to see some designed rollouts. Haven't seen one in three games. Luck certainly has the wheels for it.
You're not keeping a clean pocket. Luck took more hits today than Manning did in a year.
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So clearly we see this differently. See, I'm assuming other receivers will eventually also have chemistry with Luck too, and they are showing SKILLS, so if he wants to prove its more than just chemistry, he needs to show it with the other QBs.
I see one problem with your analysis - with the other QBs, he's showing his "SKILLS" against scrubs who likely won't be in the league in a month.
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If he is able to prove his worth to the team, IMO, doing so with the other QBs proves more to me.
Exactly right. Who cares how he looks with Luck, the starter for the next 14 years.
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Interesting then that Whalen stood out playing with Stanton and Harnish, not Luck.
I didn't realize Luck was playing in the 2nd half. That said, he did have one reception from Luck.
And it might be news to you, but he does have a bit of history with Luck, which is what I was referring to... you know, the reason he was brought to camp in the first place.
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Some WRs aren't the most physically gifted but they make a connection with the QB and are successful. That timing, connection is a big part of it.
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Since the league has created the concussion guidelines they should have included some that say after X number that you are out of the league for life ... truly protect the players!
Let's say they set it at 4 concussions - 4 concussions and you are out of the league. Now, this is a real world discussion. Some player is sitting at 3 concussions, is concussed, and knows he will lose 5-10 million dollars in future earnings if he admits it. What will he do? He will do the same thing you, I or anyone would do - hide it. In the real world, hiding a concussion would certainly make the list of things people would do for 5-10 million dollars.... and it would be far, far down the list.
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I couldn't imagine why a 7th rounder would be any more immune to first cuts than an undrafted player. 7th round, undrafted... it's a subtle distinction.
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In the end Collie will make his own decision. I just hope he remains healthy.
As we all do, friend.
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Maybe there is. Maybe there isn't.
There are posters that hate to see players go through the rest of their life like Mike Webster, or players that are fighting personal demons like Junior Seau seemed to face, or watching Earl Campbell who used to tear through a defense struggle to walk.
Guess what. None of them were Colts and I hate to see stories like that. It doesn't have to be John Mackey, meaning a former Colt fighting dementia for someone to care. Of course those are all hall of fame caliber players, but the same could be said for lesser known players that are fighting the same issues.
You sound sincere, but from this you could ask: why play the game at all? Why watch and follow a game you know will permanently injure and maim its participants. Why support it?
Yes, it's a violent game, but the players are being paid millions to take the risks. For millions, most would take those risks. They're adults, professionals, capable of assessing those risks and making their own decisions.
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Maybe so.
Some fans care about the players as people.
Some look at them like hired hands and once they are no longer with their team they don't care what happens to them.
Yes, I'm sure this forum is filled with posters who spend their evenings worrying about Sweet Pea Burns and hoping he is in a happy place.
Give me a break.
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The only thing it would accomplish would be that if he were to get injured again, it wouldn't be on your watch.
Your watch, someone else's watch... the end result would be the same. He's not a 12 year old playing Pee Wee. He's a professional being paid millions. He's capable of assessing the risks and making his own decisions.
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Yes, that's what I said in the other thread. The Colts can't can ban him from the NFL. If they cut him, he will play elsewhere. What would that accomplish?
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"Part II" - because when I watch him I get the same feeling I got watching Manning for the first time.
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The Colts can't ban him from football. So, they cut him and he plays somewhere else. What would that accomplish?
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If it can be caught and it hits your hands with no defender around you with you facing the ball, it has to be caught in the NFL. End of discussion.
But does that make it a good pass? No, it does not. If you have a streaking reciever and that receiver has to stop and adjust to catch a pass that should have been a TD, it's a bad throw. It was a low throw Luck wants back.
Thankfully, Andrew is not as sensitive as you about it.
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Nope, you are the one wasting your time and energy because the whole world watched and know TY should have hauled it inside that zone.
I'm not arguing it couldn't have been caught. Do you agree with the following?
Some less than accurate, less than desirable passes can be caught.
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You're obviously blind. It was an accurate throw
Sure it was.
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You're wasting your energy. It was an easy TD Luck wishes he had back. Hopefully, next time he leads the receiver with an accurate throw.
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Should it have been an INT? No. Was it a bad throw? Absolutely. Luck would tell you the same thing.
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1,000 yards isn't much of a benchmark in a 16 game season. I posted the numbers here recently. During Polian's tenure, the Colts were near the bottom of the league in YPA. They were one of the worst rushing teams in the league. They only broke 4.0 YPA 6 times in 14 years. That's bad. James did put up big numbers, but only because he got every rushing attempt. As a team and on average they were never a great rushing team.