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3 minutes ago, Superman said:
I think maybe drafting a QB is less hit-and-miss than we're used to. Some of them get overdrafted (Trubisky), some don't get coached very well (Rosen)... but we keep seeing guys outside of the top ten have considerable success. Lamar is the latest example. Others include Dak, Cousins, Wilson, Carr, etc. Mahomes was picked 10th, Watson went 12th. And I think that this might continue, because young QBs are getting more and better coaching before they even reach the league, and NFL staffs are more willing to adjust to the QB than ever before.
The second phase of QB development is what's still up in the air -- getting a guy from a good to franchise level, and keeping him there. Goff, Wentz, and others are struggling with that, for various reasons. But if Ballard keeps drafting well, that's less pressure on whoever the QB is to carry the team every week.
Right now, the Colts would pick at #17. Assume Tua's recovery goes well and he's able to throw in the spring, he'll be gone. Burrow will be gone. I think Love is a Day 2 prospect right now, but could wind up in the first; let's say he's in play, and let's assume that we're right and Ballard and Co like him. Let's say Herbert is in the 10-15 range, and Eason and Fromm are somewhere between 25 and 50. Let's put Hurts in the top 75 also.
If you think Herbert is a star prospect -- I do -- then coming up to #10 is realistic. If you're okay with Love being developed for a year, then waiting on him at #17 or even being a little more of a gambler and waiting until later -- we have Washington's second, which should be somewhere in the mid to late 30s, and could be packaged to move back into the first if you want -- that might be an option. Fromm doesn't move the needle much for me, Eason slightly moreso. Hurts is talented but needs the right staff.
We're in the weeds now, sorry. My point is actually really simple. I don't think we absolutely have to pick in the top ten to get a really good QB prospect, and having JB under contract for 2020 gives the staff options for finding the next guy.
And, of course, that's assuming they find it necessary to draft the next guy right now. I think it's necessary, but they might not.
Having Brissett there is the key, and the fact that Chris Ballard has built a real team. JB can start next season if need be, if they take a guy that needs some processing time, and Herbert, Eason, and Love all most likely would.
The best part is that when they deem the guy ready to play, they come into an already built team, not a clown show like Miami.
They have all of the cap money that still has to be spent, whether that's used to extend the right guys, or to bring in help in key areas, it's a surefire advantage over most other teams. We have great draft capital because of Ballard's prowess; with 3 selections in the -probably- first 45 or so picks. The team is young, and they've done well in the draft so far, I have no reason to believe they won't make the most of those 3 picks.
Regardless of the QB position, the team in general is in a good spot. We have cap space, a good young nucleus in position, and the draft capital to either get our guy, or strengthen the team for when we do get our guy.
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13 minutes ago, Superman said:
I wonder if Ballard would ever move up dramatically for a QB. I think he'd be more likely to take someone later in the first or even on Day 2. I believe Ballard was directly involved in the scouting of Mahomes, and the strategy to draft and develop him was discussed while Ballard was still in KC. That involved a trade up from #27 to #10, which is significant, but not as costly as moving into the top 5. And that trade was done after Ballard left.
I'm more interested in the scouting and strategy than in the final decision, though. The Chiefs had a decent veteran starter, but planned ahead to move on from him. They drafted a talented replacement and sat him for a year, and were perfectly comfortable with that decision.
A year before that, the Eagles made a big trade up for Wentz. They also signed Sam Bradford, and appeared to be willing to start Bradford unless Wentz won the job. As it turns out, Wentz won the job, despite being a small school prospect who still needed some work. The next season, Wentz was an MVP candidate, until he got hurt. As we all know, Frank Reich was on the coaching staff.
So I think we have a braintrust that's willing to draft and develop a young QB, without feeling compelled to start him before he's ready, but also willing to have a truly open competition for the starting job. And I think they all believe they can find a QB outside of the top 5.
Yeah, I don't necessarily mind where they get him. I know the odds decrease as the draft moves, the higher the pick the less likely we are to hit. I do trust Ballard/Reich, like you eluded to, they're very astute in their judgements and decision making. I trust them to get the job done.
As far as taking a later guy, there are plenty this year that can be had in the mid-1st or Day 2, in all likelihood. Jalen Hurts most likely, probably Herbert, Eason, and Love at this point, I'm not sure if the injury will cause Tua to slide, but if he makes a full recovery we could get a great value on him, but would probably have to spend our first, or potentially trade up a bit depending on our final record, and position in the draft. I think basically everyone but Joe Burrow should be an option.
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Hopefully they lose out, Jacoby is obviously not the future of the franchise, so may as well be positioned as closely as possible to the top. Ballard is imo a Top 3-4 GM in the league, he isn't gonna let us sit in mediocrity like the Browns or Dolphins for 10+ years, he will make his move when he sees the opportunity. If it isn't in this year's draft, we will know that early in the draft, because he will likely start addressing other problem areas, while waiting to emphasize QB next season.
Next year there's 2 clear cut franchise guys, they were #1 and #2 according to 247 coming out of High School, and there's a 90+% chance they'll be drafted 1 and 2 in the draft. Trevor Lawrence and Justin Fields. Fields had a stupid good year at Ohio State, he threw like 30+ TDs with only 1 pick, which is damn near impossible. Trevor Lawrence is the Manning/Luck type guy, they're calling him "generational". To have 2 of those guys in 1 draft hasn't happened since Luck/RG3.
Will be interesting to see whether Ballard/Reich choose to make their move this year, or continue to strengthen the team and keep their eyes on 2021 for a franchise QB.
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1 minute ago, a06cc said:
No you haven’t. You’d be a senior member on this forum by now. He retired at the start of last season. That’s something you should know. He played LG and RT.
Ok man, tell me you can differentiate between "being a Colts fan" and "being a registered member of this site"? They're two separate things. I actually went to High School with Harbaugh's nephews and met him a couple times. Been doing this for a long time, but believe what you want man.
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1 minute ago, a06cc said:
He retired a few season ago. How long have you been a Colts fan?
Dude, I've been a Colts fan since the Hoosier Dome. That's why I was confused, Mewhort hasn't played for a while.
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1 minute ago, GoColts8818 said:
The Colts had six sacks today, lack of pressure was not an issue today.
No, it was actually the reason they didn't lose by 50.
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10 minutes ago, a06cc said:
AC isn’t good, he is just average. Been saying it for years. He only looks good because he has Big Q and Jack Mewhort next to him. He can’t handle one on one situations.
Jack Mewhort? Lol things are bad when there's a Jack Mewhort reference.
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1 minute ago, lennymoore24 said:
I agree with you. That is why if the Colts win, I am happy. If they lose, I don't get that upset, because I know if they sneak into playoffs and get crushed, it is another year of Brissett and I can't take that.
Yeah, at this point I'm rooting for them to lose out. We need to be as close to the #1 pick as we can get. Whether they bite and take a QB or go for another position, obviously the higher the pick, the better the player (normally).
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Just now, 21isSuperman said:
Never know what happens. Ballard has shown that he likes to accumulate picks. Maybe we trade back this year to gain more picks, then make a package to trade up next year. Even if the team isn't bad enough to go 2-14, they could still have a shot at drafting a top QB prospect.
That's actually my preference, to make a run at Justin Fields. I think he's a Russell Wilson type talent, and that come draft time he will be the guy going #1, not Trevor Lawrence. I'd be all for the Colts making their move to obtain a guy like Fields.
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1 minute ago, 21isSuperman said:
I know very little about the college QBs aside from Burrows, so I can't comment on that. It's also dependent on what Ballard thinks about the upcoming QB class. If he thinks the 2020 QBs are bad, Indy probably rolls Brissett out again to be the starter next year and the Colts could look to draft a new QB in the 2021 draft instead of the 2020 draft.
Problem with that is that the team isn't bad enough to be in position to land the top-tier guys in 21, guys like Lawrence and Fields. They will most likely have to trade up, or trade for, another quarterback if they wanna make their move...or get lucky on a dart throw like Jordan Love.
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3 minutes ago, HungarianColtsFan said:
Bit who would you draft for QB? I have only smal insight into NCAA, but I haven't seen very talented QBs yet... Maybe there are some quality guys, I just hadn't seen them yet.
Idk man, these last few weeks have really made me doubt Justin Herbert and Eason, but Fromm has looked legit. Hell, he's essentially what people wanted JB to be, an above average game manager. He could likely be had with a 2nd rounder too, and he's NFL ready.
Best case scenario would be Tua falling to us.
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1 minute ago, VaAllDay757 said:
How AC basically caused us to lose the game when he missed his block on that blocked FG? He gets alot of praise on here but this time he definitely is to blame for this blocked FG
What about the 2 horrendous interceptions JB threw? No accountability for that, sounds about right.
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1 minute ago, bravo4460 said:
We can only hope....
Man, JB had a really solid 1st half, but that 2nd half was HORRIBLE and you just can't make throws like that. The first pick, throwing off his back foot with a guy in his face, and the 2nd into triple coverage with not one, but 2 guys over the top. Alllll bad.
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At least we'll have a higher draft pick and can actually draft a worthwhile quarterback. If things continue on this trajectory we should be picking inside the top half of the round(s). This should put them in striking distance for anyone not named Joe Burrow.
If Ballard has been scouting Jordan Love, maybe he plans on taking him in the 2nd, and grabbing a stud playmaker like Ceedee Lamb with our 1st rounder? A guy that has superstar written all over him. They need a big X receiver that can dominate a game ala Adams/Hopkins, and Lamb is about a sure thing as you're gonna get.
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Yeah, why would a FA wanna come here and destroy their career? JB is averaging like 170 a game, no chance he can support a Top 10-15 WR. Only prayer we have is a new QB, but everyone already knows that.
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1 minute ago, Kenzicocapontas said:
Colts have scouts at that game too
Ballard most likely has scouts at every game with a halfway competent quarterback playing.
In the Penn State/Ohio State game he's probably scouting Yetur Gross-Matos, the PSU DE.
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1 minute ago, egg said:
It looks like this:
Someday, even you will be satisfied with Jacoby Brissett as the Cots QB.
For me to be satisfied we have to win a SB, or make the playoffs and have a legit shot at bare minimum.
If you aren't playing for that, then what's the point?
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Justin Fields is gonna be an absolute stud. If there was any chance the Colts could get him or Lawrence in 2021 I'd say wait, but they'd have to lose so many games I just don't see it happening.
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5 minutes ago, SteelCityColt said:
The Ravens situation is a good analogue in some respects. Flacco the incumbent, his job to lose, with a raw prospect on the bench.
I keep waiting for the other shoe to drop with Jackson, namely when someone actually can square him up and hit him hard, but I also though Mahomes couldn't reproduce last year.Not that I follow the college game, but if Love/Eason is there in the 2nd, I wouldn't be too upset.
Lamar is built like a tank, guys like Vick were 190 and frail. Jackson is a better passer than Vick was too, and a better runner. Lamar is setting records on the ground and still putting up respectable passing numbers.
I think we are seeing teams transition to that style of play, guys like Russell Wilson pioneered it. Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson, Deshaun Watson, and Kyler Murray are the future of the game. Mobile guys that can also make throws. I'd like to bring in a guy like Jalen Hurts for that reason, I think he could be the next guy in that mold. What he's doing at Oklahoma this year is really impressive, I think he deserves the Heisman.
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Just now, EastStreet said:
I think Reich might have been over confident in what he though Houston would do, over confident in his game plan, and simply failed to make real time, and half time adjustments.
Holder is often the king of cheery picking screen shots... While he might point out that JB misses an opportunity, he rarely screen shots negative plays. His MO is to show how tough it is...
This...
If the first part is true, I'm not believing the second part yet
The chunk plays by Fuller had a huge impact to the flipping the field and some critical 3rd down pick ups, but the D held them to under 21 pts... And we still beat them in time of possession. I truly doubt Reich thought he was going to hold Houston to under to 21 on the road, so I doubt seriously if that was a factor in his game plan.
This... too....
Have you watched the All22? Because there are a lot of plays where he flat out fails to make the proper read, or is way too slow to diagnose and the defense closes the window.
Flat out, he has to improve his ability to make timely reads, and make the throws. He's being too timid, but a pick or two is okay if you throw for 400 and 4 TDs.
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Nightmare scenario is that he plays just good enough that we barely miss the playoffs, but that's his ceiling. Then, they give him another year or two, and we're essentially stuck in neutral.
I either want him to ball out, or fall on his face. No middle of the road, mediocrity.
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2 minutes ago, Chloe6124 said:
It would be funny if he has his best game of the year. I believe he had three TD in the first game.
There is a chance though we get DF and Campbell back so if we do play well on offense maybe that will be why.
I'd love nothing more than for JB to ball out, because that would allow us to spend the draft picks in other areas, further strengthening the team, rather than having to replace the QB. I just don't see it happening, not to the degree necessary to get where Ballard/Reich ultimately want the team.
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1 minute ago, SteelCityColt said:
Sorry I felt this was worth its own reply. If that's really what's going on, it should tell you more about Brissett than any number of arguments on here.
However, unless there is a massive implosion, he will be starting next season so strap in.
I swear man, if they don't draft a guy to either replace JB next year or in 21, I'm not watching that % next year. It's hard enough being a Notre Dame fan, that's all I need is 2 teams that can't get it done.
It's clear as day that they need a better option, to do that you have to take a shot on a guy with a high ceiling. Of course, they don't all pan out, but isn't that better than knowing that you're stuck in mediocrity? To me, it's a no brainer.
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Frank Reich is trash, if we had a better coach then Jacoby Brissett could really shine. He's just holding him back...every game. Brissett is only averaging 199 yards a game because of Reich's playcalling, and because Chris Ballard is an * and didn't make the right draft picks (even tho he's one of 2 guys to draft 2 rookie All-Pro players).
Fire Reich. Fire Ballard. Jacoby forever, mothertrucker.
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Well, you listed 5 of the probably 6 best young quarterbacks in the game. The days of a statue that stands in the pocket all game are gone. It's these young guys, that were inspired by Vick and Russ Wilson, that are changing the landscape of the NFL. It's no surprise that Ballard is looking at a guy, in Jordan Love, that draws Mahomes comps.