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39 minutes ago, colts52761 said:
Can Tillery play NT? Take wilkins and tillery? if availble?
He's more 1T than 3T imo, but he's pretty athletic so he could really do either. For ND he was predominantly lined up as a 3T, and he has great power, and it shows in his bull rush. He needs to develop more to be a 3T at the next level, but the athleticism and motor are there, no doubt.
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24 minutes ago, Moosejawcolt said:
I wouldn't b surprised to see Oliver fall. He is 276 and some feel he mayb lighter than that. A great college player but that seems pretty light for a DT. I just had flash backs of Dungy's DT's getting pushed around.
I've read several scouts saying that he resembles more of a back-end 1st rounder than the Top 10 people believe him to be. I believe that, and it's hard to gauge him when he's pushing around inferior competition every week.
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45 minutes ago, Boiler_Colt said:
Oliver, Baker, and Wilkins were all on the board. I like Tillery but not better than those 3 guys. Tillery has character and effort concerns as well.
As a die hard ND fan, Tillery had one screw up early at ND, but has fully rectified himself. His motor is 2nd to none, that's definitely not where the inconsistencies are. He's a bull, and really only played to his potential this season, but that's more on Brian Kelly not getting him the PT. I'd be thrilled with him in the 2nd, but not in the 1st. Hopefully they go edge with the 1st, and Tillery (or someone in that mold) with the 1st in the 2nd...let's build that Dline!
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Wonder if they had these guys in mind when they fired the others? I would hope so, it makes me feel better knowing that they had some kind of blueprint, predesigned plan.
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In Reich we trust.
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19 minutes ago, ThorstenDenmark said:
I'm not sure this one will pan out - why... we lost our o-line coach, and who's gonna replace him?
Luck will be sacked 25plus times next season, unless we get a quality o-line coach.
So, the line is gonna go from best to miserable in terms of sacks because we're replacing the Oline coach? There's a reason they were fired, these guys know what they're doing. I'd imagine the replacement will be fully capable, and may have them playing at an even higher level. Not to mention, the longer they play together, the more cohesiveness they form. Better. Not worse.
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Yeah, I'd be more on board with him somewhere in the 2nd, although his 30 TFL and 16.5 sacks at Texas are impressive. He's definitely freakish, being that fast at that size is rare, but he sometimes doesn't hold it well. He needs work as a run stuffer, and major help keeping his pad level, especially against NFL G/T.
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They'll sign DeMarcus Lawrence, Clowney, and Earl Thomas...all of em. Then we'll draft Deebo Samuel, AJ Brown, and DK Metcalf at WR and Jacobs at RB, and Hockenson at TE. All defense FA, and all offense draft. That's. What's. Gonna. Happen.
I love these posts because it keeps the offseason interesting, but the odds are much better of none of those guys listed hitting FA than them hitting the market. They'll most likely aggressively pursue anything that does hit the market, and draft DL early. I'd imagine there will be either an FA WR or one drafted (the brass is more content with in-house WRs than the fanbase), with other most likely positions addressed via draft being CB, S, LB and OL...always OL.
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1 hour ago, CR91 said:
I have nothing against looking for more line depth, but we have a golden opportunity to add more young talent while Luck is still in the prime of his career. This is our open window to make a run if we can get the right players to contribute now, instead of drafting players to groom for a few years to replace a aging vet that still has a few good years left.
The problem with drafting weapons for Luck is that they also take time to develop, so the theory that you're putting someone on the shelf until 2020 or beyond is kind of a universal theme for the most part. Most players take a couple of years to fully hit their stride. FA is the way to address issues where you'd like more immediate production, like Glowinski and Inman.
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I think Ballard and Co are gonna be aggressive with what little there is in FA, and go primarily defense in the draft, judging by Ballard's statements. I'd love to add Tyrell or Golden Tate if the price is right, heck maybe both. I think the Colts brass values the in-house WRs much more than the fanbase tho, so wouldn't be at all surprised to see them make a single addition, maybe two this offseason. Ballard seems to primarily worried about the defensive side of the ball, and he should be.
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I'd be willing to bet you my only begotten soul that Renfrow doesn't go in rounds 2 or 3. There's only 3-4 that deserve to go in the first 2 rounds, imo. Renfrow is a watered down version of Isabella, and most mocks have him in the 5th or so.Â
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24 minutes ago, BlueShoe said:
The Colts officially have 8 picks in the 2019 NFL draft. However, according to OverTheCap the Colts are projected to receive a 4th round compensatory pick for losing Donte Moncrief in 2018.
I think the Colts needs are EDGE, WR, CB, S, INT-DL, OL, and LB.
While the draft overall selections are not set in stone, if OverTheCap is correct on the comp picks then the Colts draft order should be relatively close to the following...
*Note - Remember that we also have to take out the Giants (3rd) and Washington (6th) forfeited picks they used in the 2018 supplemental draft.
1. 26
2. 34
2. 58
3. 89
4. 128
4. 135
5. 165
6. 200
7. 242Chris Ballard has not minced his words. He told us long ago that building a team is all about the offensive line and the front seven. I believe he will fortify the trenches early and often in every draft. This draft is front-loaded with EDGE and INT-DL prospects and value at those positions will certainly be there at #26.
With the Draft Bowl standouts freshly on our minds, I could envision the draft playing out something like this:
BlueShoe's 2019 Post Senior Bowl Colts Mock Draft
1. 26 - Christian Wilkins, INT-DL, Clemson
2. 34 - Nasir Adderley, S, Delaware
2. 58 - Rock Ya-Sin, CB, Temple
3. 89 - Hunter Renfrow, WR, Clemson
4. 128 - Jordan Brailford, EDGE, Oklahoma State
4. 135 - Lonnie Johnson, CB, Kentucky
5. 165 - Terrill Hanks, LB, New Mexico State
6. 200 - Chuma Edoga, OT, USC
7. 242 - Justin Hollins, LB, OregonI'd be all for drafting Wilkins there, if he falls that far. Really any DT or edge that has elite potential (Wilkins, Lawrence, Sweat, Polite, Dre'Mont). Like Adderley, and think he will only get better after he fully adapts to playing S, and the various nuances that come with it. Not sure about Ya-Sin, may be a bit of a reach (my opinion) in the 2nd. I'd rather take Murphy, Baker, or Oruwariye with the first 2nd rounder, and go BPA at S, LB, DT, OL with the other. Good stuff man, thanks.
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33 minutes ago, NewColtsFan said:
I was hoping to have a quiet, uneventful off-season, but apparently that's not going to happen.
Worst of all, it's all my fault.
(Note: Long post coming!)
It appears I owe @SouthernIndianaNDFan an apology. Happy to give it. I didn't mean to offend you, but it seems I did. I really wasn't trying to give you a hard time for the Walter Football post, but I did anyway. My bad. I'm just really not a fan of their work. And it's been that way for me for years. This is my 7th year and I've been criticizing them since I arrived. And I think I've changed the mind of some posters here, but not as many as I'd like.
I was trying to disparage WF, but instead I insulted you and that's entirely my fault. I used poor choice of words, and some badly written sentences and paragraphs. Again, my head was stuck a little too far up my own rear end. My bad.
Trust me, if you find some people here too arrogant, then I'm your #1 target. It starts with me.
But I have an on-going problem here on this website which I love dearly. Far too many posters are more interested in their opinions than they are about facts. Not talking about you, you're new and I don't know you.
Currently, there's an interesting new thread going on. What should be the priority of this draft, what do the Colts need more of, offense or defense? And everyone is bringing their opinion to the table. But here's the deal, RIGHT NOW, on the front of THIS website, there's a long interview with Chris Ballard. And he's talking about the Colts off-season and the draft and free agency and the positions he values and on and on and on. Ballard is literally answering the questions that people are talking about in this thread, and most everyone in this thread has not read the story. Because if they had, they wouldn't be posting as they are. If you come to read my posts you'll see that I often write that some posters are far more interested in posting their opinions than they are getting good information from the right people (Ballard, Reich, other coaches) so they can make good informed opinions. Drives me nuts, but it's been that way since I arrived. I always encourage posters to read what this website offers.
This website puts out a lot of good information. Chris Ballard is as straightforward a shooter as you will find in sports. He'll tell you a lot about what he's thinking and why. So if you can read between the lines he'll tell you he's not signing LeVeon Bell and he's not trading for Antonio Brown. But that doesn't stop the same couple of dozen posters from saying that's what we should do and they think Ballard SHOULD do it and MIGHT do it. People believe what they want. Ballard is telegraphing his intentions and people are not ready to accept it. Drives me nuts...
I'm sorry I went too far with you. I'm sorry I inadvertantly insulted you when my only target was WF. For a guy who spent his entire adult life in the communications business, I did a poor job of communicating with you. So sorry. Hopefully we can start over and go from there....
Sincere apolgoy offered. I hope it's accepted......
I appreciate that man, and it says a lot for someone to take the time to apologize, and explain themselves. I will admit, I'm on the easily offended side at times, and am big on respect. I try to be as respectful as possible, but can sometimes be driven off my square if someone comes across the wrong way. I know I shouldn't lower my standards/morals because others do, it's just that the sometimes blatantly disrespectful nature of certain individuals irks me. I just wasn't raised like that.
To your other points, people are losing their minds (professional people doing mocks included) if they think Indy is gonna draft 2 WRs early, or do anything other than patch up that defensive line. Ballard clearly stated that. I will admit, I'm in the camp that thinks adding Lev or AB would help the team from a talent standpoint, but it's never going to happen, so no point in getting into the semantics of it.
I personally would like them to take a DT, DE, SS, LB, or CB with the first 3 picks in the first 2 rounds, and look to patch up whatever holes there are at WR after that or via FA. There will be quality players left in Round 3 or beyond. I almost guarantee that one of Harmon, both Browns, Harry, Samuel, Metcalf, Humphreys, Renfrow, Isabella, Butler, Arcega-Whiteside, Ridley, Johnson, or Lodge will be available when we pick in the 3rd and beyond. The same can't be said for top-notch defensive players at the various positions I listed.
I really like Deionte Thompson from Alabama, but not sure if he is able to play SS? I love both Sweat and Polite, but think we'd have to trade up to get them. They both likely go top 10 or teens. I think Dre'Mont Jones is gonna be a great player, and could fall to us at 26. Just not sure if he's a true 3T or if he will eventually convert to the edges at the next level.
Again, thanks for taking the time to apologize. Definitely accepted.
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22 hours ago, FalseStart said:
If history repeats itself, I believe it goes...
RD1: All Pro
RD2: All Pro
RD2: Over Shadowed...Future All Pro
I think they'd be in the Super Bowl conversation if they nail this draft, and add some pieces via FA. They're not far off, and have all of the resources to get into position. This is gonna be an extremely exciting offseason.
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Unfortunately, it would take a lot of early draft-capital, but it would be great to put Harmon/Metcalf and Isabella/Renfrow and Samuel/Brown around Luck. You pair that with Ebron, TY, and our current stable of backs and the offensive numbers would be silly.
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Montez Sweat is a great pass rusher. He's long and fast, and has major athleticism. He had 18.5 TFL and like 11 sacks? this year, and it was in the best conference in the country in terms of opposing NFL talent.
McLaurin dropped several passes, I worry about that at the next level. Reminds me of the young WR from the Saints (can't remember his name atm).
I tried to tell people about Isabella this fall, and all I got was that he's a small school guy that doesn't play good competition...then he destroyed Georgia and even future-NFLer DeAndre Baker a few times. That game was special. 15 catches for 219 yards and two TDs...that's a Madden video game stat-line. Love that kid, hopefully the Colts take either he or Renfrow in the middle rounds.
Deebo is slowly replacing Metcalf as my favorite WR in this draft, I'd say they're 1A and 1B, I think both guys will be special players at the next level. If I wasn't so much for the Colts going defense early, I'd love them to grab Metcalf, Samuel, and Isabella/Renfrow lol that would be insane for Luck to have all of that + Ebron and TY.
Great post man, thanks for taking the time. I always enjoy stuff/posts like this. Can never have too much insight when it comes to potential future-Colts.
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1 hour ago, esmort said:
^^^This I think the comments were directed at Walter Football not the OP. Certain sites, writers, and media talking heads are considered less than reliable and not taken seriously by most on the board.
I mean, I get it to a degree, but do people on here really think they're any more reliable than other people who actually do this stuff for a living? It's all just a guessing game, and it seems like people get various levels of bent out of shape and offensive when people don't fall in line with their views. Anyways, I'm probably just looking too much into it. Apologize if I offended anyone, just trying to understand how things go around here. If it's a "let it fly" type atmosphere I'm good at that, just don't respect people being diminutive, pretentious, arrogant, or rude.
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8 hours ago, NewColtsFan said:
Kiper, McShay and Jeremiah all have him in the first round. Think Matt Miller does too.
I'm not trying to give the poster a hard time (whehter it was you or anyone else....) I'm just not a Walter Football fan.
For example, when they start listing them in order, they'll project a player will go somewhere between R2 and R4. Or R3 and R5. That's a 3-round spread. That's more than 100 spots. Almost anyone can guess with some degree of confidence if all you have to do is give yourself a margin of error of +/- 100. That's not the way professionals do this...
It's the same with the computer generated mock simulations. They're all terrible. The guys who do this are NOT draft experts. They're computer geeks. They don't even get close to accurate until sometime in April when enough info has leaked out that even they can do an OK job. But up until then, the computer mocks are awful.
One thing I've noticed in the couple of weeks that I've posted here is that a lot of the elder statesman (or people that have seemingly been here a while) are pretty brash, arrogant, and rude to new posters, or really to anyone that doesn't share their viewpoints/philosophies. I'm not saying you're like this, but I posted this mock, and bam here some two guys making a mockery out of it, and one guy didn't even know who I was talking about! Lol what? Idk, it seriously makes me not even wanna post here. I don't know why people don't understand that it's a forum, and people aren't going to always agree with your viewpoint, and will oftentimes have views of their own? Also, sometimes new posters aren't going to be as knowledgeable, people are rude on here about that stuff too. (Again, not all you, this is just my experience in the short time I've been here)
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12 minutes ago, Shafty138 said:
One reason this draft might not "seem/feel" as dead on hits with every pick is that there simply aren't the bulk of starting spots available as there were post 2018 draft. We could feasibly draft guys just as good at spots this year as last year, and they are less likely to start this coming season. That's what happens when you are building a quality team, your young guys often have time to develop. Not that even the best teams can't get a few immediate starters out of any given draft, you just were likely to start guys picked with mid-late round picks last year regardless of who you picked....
That actually makes a lot of sense. I hope they find a couple of starters, namely at DE, DT, and WR...but wouldn't hurt to find some other guys who can provide either solid depth or force competition and eventually start.
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1 hour ago, NorthernBlue said:
For a second I legit thought there was another LB in this draft named Devin Bush like there's no way for him to be mocked in the THIRD round
In nearly every projection I've seen, this is a dude going top 15. Top 10 even.
Please, post any mock that has him in the top 10.
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4 hours ago, NewColtsFan said:
It's that time of year again....
The time when posters share some nonsense from Walter Football.
I swear, I have this vision of Walter being blindfolded and spun around 100 times before throwing a dart at a wall.
Devin Bush? 3rd round? Dear God! He's a first round player for everyone else who follows the draft... espn, nfl.com, everyone. But he has us falling to our pick in the late 80's? Maybe Walter spends time doing the computer mock simulations for other websites in his spare time? Those are dreadful too. Just awful.
Yuk.......
Yeah, that's why I said him falling that far is probably a stretch, but not sure what mocks you're looking at that have him anywhere near that high? Bucky Brooks (NFL.com), NBC, CBS, Drafttek, and Draftsite all have him not in the first round...so idk. Maybe you're thinking Devin White?
Take that back, one of CBS/NBC has him at 15, but none of the others have him inside the 1st round. There's way too many talented players that are gonna go before him, he's a Day 2 guy imo.
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2 hours ago, Zoltan said:
The body catches is new to me I've read a lot about how great his hands are.
What he said.
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35 minutes ago, NewColtsFan said:
Compare the two years...
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Pick 2018 2019 difference
1 6 26 -20
2 2/36 2/34 +2
3 2/37 2/58 -21
4 2/52 3/89 -37
5 2/64 4/125 -61
6 4/104 4/133-140 -29-36
This just takes us through 4 rounds. But as you can see, the picks we have this year don't come close to measurig up to last year's picks. The odds are overwhelming that our draft this year won't be as good. The math doesn't add up.
Having said that, that doesn't mean we can't have a good draft. That Ballard can't do a good job with the picks we have. But as good as last years? Almost impossible.
So, you can't have a great draft of you're picking too far back?
Put it like this...you have a guy that's gonna spend $20,000 on a vehicle (this year), and a guy that's gonna spend $50,000 on a vehicle (last year). Both guys can get great value at their price-level, making both purchases very successful. Value is a relative term, and no we don't have the same picks obviously, but it doesn't mean they can't nail what they do have. I think, relatively speaking, we can have just as good of a draft.
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45 minutes ago, NewColtsFan said:
Well then....
I guess you think Chris Ballard is lying to himself.
Because I think the chances of Ballard signing Bell or trading for Brown are pretty close to ZERO.
There's an interview (read not view) on the front of the website. You can read what Ballard thinks about adding high priced talent to his team at this point. I encourage you to read it. I think you'll come away believing we're going in a different direction.
It's not always about talent. There are other issues at play here...
If you go back over what I wrote, it says that I think it's both unlikely and that it goes against their viewpoints/philosophies. I simply said that from a talent perspective I think they'd make the offense better.
Lance Zierein 2019 NFL Mock Draft 1.0
in NFL Draft, Scouting, and Free Agent Talk
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Only thing that really threw me off was the first few picks, that isn't gonna happen. Outside of that though, I've seen worse. Nobody really knows at this point. All that's truly known is who's picking where, and supposed needs for each team. They're just guessing QBs to QB-needy teams, and various defensive players to the teams that need them, and so on and so on....
What really irks people is when a mocker has players going early that they don't see going that early, or players slipping that they think should go higher. Basically, everyone thinks they're right. The problem is that there isn't anything empirical to go off of, so it's all subjective rather than objective, and will be until FA starts, and the draft itself concludes.
Johnnie Mock: "Oliver isn't a high-draft selection, so I have him at (random late selection) to (insert generic team).
Fan (that knows everything) : "No way he's gonna last that long, because (insert generic point #1), and he's (insert generic player measurables), plus he had (insert generic player statistics).
It never ends.