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1 minute ago, ricker182 said:
I said it when it happened too.
But whatever.
Nothing I can do about it. I just hope he realizes he was wrong.
Yeah, I don't care either. It's just football , I just don't appreciate being called captain hindsight , when it's clearly a decision I disagreed with at the time , and it's a decision many , many coaches would not have made.
Either way, this is beating a dead horse at this point. I've already stated I like Reich , but he screwed up.
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2 minutes ago, Savage56 said:
I hated the call knowing we were on the road against a really good defense. You take the points every single time unless it's late in the 4th quarter and you're trailing by more than 3.
Especially when the opposing offense isn't good , and Cody Kessler is their QB.
Everyone knew we didn't need a lot of points to win today , yet we passed them up.
1 minute ago, 2006Coltsbestever said:That's awesome hindsight. I am sure like everyone in here, Reich thought with Luck we would eventually get at least 1 TD. It didn't happen so it's on to Houston.
It's not hindsight , man. I said it when it happened.
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3 FG's wins that game , and we passed on 2 , and therefore had to go for TD's late in the game.
It's inexcusable , but we move on. I'm still a huge fan of Reich.-
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Depends on what you mean by "we"
I said we should take this week-by-week , and that I was more interested in our team developing than I was results.
This has still been a really enjoyable season , and I'm more hopeful now than I was week 1 , but I don't need this to be a playoff year to feel excited about this team.
We're doing a lot of good things , but we've got a long way to go.-
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Love Reich , but this one is on him.
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someone wanna tell me how the ref can suck so bad there?
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1 minute ago, John Hammonds said:
It's almost like, if we had kicked two field goals on 4th down earlier in the game, we would have kicked this one for the win.
Yep. If you're going against the Patriots - sure. Be aggressive otherwise you'll lose.
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Aaaaand that's why you take points when they're available against elite defenses with weak QB's.
Costanzo was terrible there.-
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Damn.... well done , TY.
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Just now, Aluckiswolverine said:
All the Luck MVP conversation needs to stop after today. Kessler is looking better. You have no idea how much I hate typing that.
I'd love to see Andrew playing against our defense , and Kessler playing against the Jags. -
We need to generate some unconventional yards.
pull a Patriots and start going with gadget plays - I don't care.
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Autry's playing well.
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Just now, SteelCityColt said:
Not at all... I never said that. I said it's a different game and will continue to evolve. Defense very much still has a place to play. But I don't think you'll be seeing the shut down D of yesteryear. This is a low scoring game because both teams can't execute on O. It's ugly.
Are you disputing teams are playing much more aggressively on O this year?
Nah , you did. I specifically told you " you can still play defense in this league."
You were beating the drum of the "new NFL" , like so many are doing this year.
When the Jags feel like it , they are an elite defense- they still exist. They've completely shut down everything we've tried to do , and dominated at the LOS. The Colts didn't all of a sudden forget how to execute , they're just getting their butts kicked by superior talent. No one can get open and our line can't get any push.
A coach should adjust to each game and each circumstance. He shouldn't say , "oh, it's the new NFL , better go for it!"
That's ridiculous. Take the points.-
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1 minute ago, SteelCityColt said:
Excuse me?
You gave me a similar comment about how defense has become superfluous a couple weeks ago.
Excuse yourself.-
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1 minute ago, SteelCityColt said:
Or welcome to the new NFL?
Or stop saying that to me every week?
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Two ways of looking at Reich's aggression , really:
1) The Jags offense sucks so he can get away with it
2) The Jags defense is playing lights out , and the Jags offense sucks , so why not just take points and not give them any momentum
I lean towards # 2 , but I understand #1.
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Mannnn.
at some point which should just take the 3 points.-
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damn , this Jags defense is playing up to it's potential today.
I would've taken the points this early in the game , but I don't mind the aggression. -
On 11/27/2018 at 12:27 AM, chad72 said:
Raekwon Davis of Alabama possibly could be there at No.15 - 20 when we pick.
Wouldn't mind that , tbh.
On 11/29/2018 at 6:04 AM, Colts_Fan12 said:So what range is Simmons from Miss St going does everyone think? That's who I personally like
Tough to say , based on talent/production he should be a top 10 pick , but he has that video from a few years ago that could cause him to fall.
Outside of Quinnen Williams and Ed Oliver, Simmons is the guy I want the most on the Colts - provided he's not a bad locker room guy and learned from his past mistake(s). Everything I've read has him being clean in college. -
35 minutes ago, Superman said:
The problems began in 2013.
So one year into their tenure? lol , c'mon man.35 minutes ago, Superman said:Immediate accomplishment doesn't have to be mutually exclusive to building the team the right way.
No, it doesn't. You can definitely build properly and win simultaneously. We didn't though.35 minutes ago, Superman said:but what they did in Year 1 and even the approach the next couple years was not blind luck bestowed upon two nitwits.
It's about relativity. Did they do a better job than 99% of the general population would have? Yes.
Is there plenty of people within the NFL that could've done what they did? You betcha , I firmly believe that. There's been plenty of GM's who've build really, really good rosters and even sustainable programs, but have just never had the fortune of having a franchise QB (let alone a generational one). Grigson had what every GM dreams about fall into his lap and he still screwed it up.35 minutes ago, Superman said:Their execution proved to be problematic. Specifically Grigson's as he showed an inability to identify talent.
Again, not something he suddenly became terrible at. It was a problem from day 1. Drafting T.Y in the 3rd doesn't change anything , though it might've been his best move as a GM.
It wasn't just identifying talent that was a problem. It was his overall philosophy towards roster construction.35 minutes ago, Superman said:And Pagano's staff wasn't good at developing players or employing schemes to help players succeed.
What are coaches supposed to be doing, exactly?35 minutes ago, Superman said:Massive failure is an inability to meet even moderate expectations, when in fact the early Grigson/Pagano era exceeded even optimistic expectations.
The expectation is when you draft a generational QB , that you start laying the foundations of building a sustainable winner for a decade plus.
You don't base success/failure from building a house of cards and watching your QB get his career threatened. Nor do you watch your HC/GM get fired , nor do you have to partake in a complete rebuild with a 29 year old QB. It was 100% a set-back to have Grigson and Pagano be part of Luck's career. At no point were we legitimate contenders , and even when we made the AFCCG , we got obliterated and beat an injured Peyton to get there.
Call me spoiled if you want. But they were awful , and everyone around the NFL knows it was a mirage. Maybe you don't like attributing too much credit to the QB , and maybe that stems from the Peyton era, but damn man, if we had even just a normal top QB prospect , like a Herbert or a Darnold , Grigson and Pagano would've been exposed even worse - and that's a terrifying proposition.
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2 minutes ago, Lucky Colts Fan said:
Yeah, that was weird. Ballard obviously convinced Irsay to let him do it his way (quick-hitting offensive scheme and fast 4-3 zone defensive scheme since we play at least half of our games on indoor turf) instead of trying to copy the Pats. But he made Ballard hold onto the 3-4 defensive coach/scheme and power-run/slow-developing play-action pass offensive scheme for an extra year...
But that's probably a testament to how likable Pagano is. That game where Luck-to-Reggie beat the Packers and the game-ball went to Chuck in the hospital down the road will forever live in the hearts of Irsay and most Colts fans.
Irsay is a loyal guy and he values continuity , which is a commendable trait. Ballard even said part of the reason he even interviewed for the job is because he knew the Colts were a stable franchise.
That's the benefit to it , but it doesn't change the fact Irsay held on too long.
And then there's weird stuff with trying to get Grigson and Pagano to become pals. He was like an eager Grandmother trying to matchmake her grandson with some random girl from her church.
There was clear dysfunction , they didn't like each other , and the culture was poisoned by that point. Irsay should've stopped trying to bandaid everything.
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10 minutes ago, Lucky Colts Fan said:
But you have to remember that while Irsay insisted on drafting Luck, he ALSO insisted on a ground-n-pound power-running game that led to decisions like TRich, and a tough physical 3-4 defense that led to decisions like Laron Landry.
He essentially handcuffed Grigson and Pagano with what he wanted. For the most part they were just taking orders and doing the best they could. It seemed good enough at first, but once the smoke cleared we all saw how flawed the team around Andrew really was.
Grigson and Pagano deserve their part of the blame, but give Irsay his fair share.
I 100% agree that Irsay deserves blame. In fact, he might deserve the most. Though, I'm not going to blame an owner for T-Rich and Landry. That was just Grigson being awful.
I don't like the fact he made Ballard hang onto Pagano another year either. Which, it could be argued, has done nothing but slow us down in our rebuild.
Irsay made up for it with the Ballard/Reich decisions, and I do like the man, but damn, he should've pulled the plug way sooner.-
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10 minutes ago, Lucky Colts Fan said:
Was the Grigson/Pagano era a failure? Hell-to-the-yes.
A "massive" failure? No. A "massive" failure would have been 11-44-1 like Hue Jackson.
Grigson and Pagano earned their walking papers, but they also earned whatever credit they deserve for the first few years. GM of the year. 33-15. You have to admit that it could have been a LOT worse, despite having a generational QB.
If we had just a regular franchise QB , I'd say , sure. But, when you you're fortunate enough to land a guy like Andrew Luck , the expectations are heightened.
12 covered for a lot of problems. People can give the old "well you can say that about any good QB" , but for a young QB to take on what he did is just supremely rare.
I don't think the Browns would've been 0-150 if they drafted Luck. That's the point. Luck is so damn good he transcends environment. He would've kept Hue Jackson employed just like he did with Chuck.
Even if we had've taken just a standard normal franchise QB prospect (like a Sam Darnold) in 2012 think about where that team would've been. We would've done nothing.-
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14 minutes ago, Superman said:
I'm not sure why so many people turn their noses up at the early success they had. That success wasn't a setback, it was an accomplishment.
It was an accomplishment for those who wanted instant gratification. Instead of , you know, building a team the proper way.
14 minutes ago, Superman said:That's debateable, but even if we accept it, that would make anything short of what you say a lot of coaches and GMs could have done a massive failure
Dude. Pagano and Grigson are laughing stocks within NFL circles. They were horrendous. Neither of them will ever be a HC or a GM ever again because of how bad it was.14 minutes ago, Superman said:It fell apart because they didn't know what they were doing
Agreed. Though I don't know how you acknowledge that , and then assume they somehow knew what they were doing to begin with. They didn't suddenly unlearn how to be competent. This is the issue with using a W-L record as overriding evidence when you have a generational QB fall into your laps.14 minutes ago, Superman said:and it's revisionist history to claim that those accomplishments were in any way a setback.
Hindsight? Sure
Revisionist History? No, not at all revisionist. We're here where we are today because of them. There's nothing revisionist about it.
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