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48 minutes ago, stitches said:
http://draftanalyst.com/pre-combine-cornerback-boards-plenty-top-100-talent
CB chatter:
-Minkah Fitzpatrick! Very few teams view him as a safety. Most teams count him as a CB and they think he's the best CB by a wide margin. This is yet another piece of evidence in my mind that he is a legit possibility for the Colts at 3.
-Denzel Ward, Carlton Davis and Josh Jackson are the other 3 corners graded as first rounders.
-Mike Hughes is ranked as late first-early second.
Been saying this for a while, he IS on the level of a Jalen Ramsey coming out. He was even more versatile than Ramsey, although he doesn't have the experience outside that Ramsey had coming out (not to say he doesn't have ANY). This kid could be a Ramsey all over again, and by all accounts, is a leader and keeps his nose clean. I would welcome him to the Colts any day.
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18 hours ago, IndyScribe said:
Same. At 11th, there's still some talent, and I'd like to draft Tremaine Edmunds there.
No Edmunds? He's going to be good.
Outside of OL, this is exactly who I would be targeting. I could see Edmunds, Nelson, Connor Williams (although where if you got James?), or even Roquan Smith being in play here. Wouldn't count out Ward out of Ohio St. at CB either in that position.
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Interesting to say the least. If we did get Landry, James, and their 11th and 2nd rounder I would be ok.
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11 hours ago, Superman said:
We've all been operating under the assumption that Ansah would be tagged all along, right? I assume the Colts FO has been assuming the same. This doesn't really change their plans, just confirms them.
A lot of people out there weren't sure if he would get tagged due to his injury history. Not a shock, but more of the point was that pass rushing (like most years) just isn't available outside of Chubb or Landry. Landry will test very well from what it looks like, and so will Key most likely. Chubb is the cream of the crop though when it comes to 4-3 DE in this class from all indications. If we somehow could snag landry in the 2nd great, but like said above, just don't see him slipping past the top 15 after the combine.
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While it might look good on paper, if Luck is healthy enough for someone to sell the farm for him, he's good enough to get us to the promise land! I wouldn't do it, and I think fans would revolt if this were to happen. Sure, you have a bunch of great prospects, but you have a known top 10 QB (some even say top 5) and you trade him away? This is the league of the QB, you can't let him go, that's the ONE advantage we have over most other teams...a franchise QB.
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2 hours ago, Superman said:
Of the players I've really watched in this year's draft, there's only one that I consider to be a lock as a long time NFL starter, and it's Quenton Nelson.
We must be watching the same film every time, because my views are very similar to yours. I feel the same way about Nelson. He's the closest thing to a "lock" that is in this draft. Has all pro written all over him for the next 8-10 years as long as he stays healthy (and all previous history points to he should).
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11 minutes ago, jseg18 said:
I don't think those two pass rushers determined, or will determine who we pick. I see a wild trade happening before our pick.
Might not determine, but certainly will influence. Best option would be for us to trade down, but pass rush help isn't looking promising outside of the top of the first round. Hopefully we fix the OLine at the very least!
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With the lions tagging ansah and the cowboys almost certain to tag Lawrence, it looks like we are running out of options to improve the pass rush quickly. Chubb appears to look better and better. Combine this week and next, will be interesting to see how it works out.
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On 2/23/2018 at 2:02 PM, 2006Coltsbestever said:
No need to argue it, Barry Sanders and Emmitt Smith are the best 2 RB's over the last 30 years, both were Top 20 picks. This will be my last Post on this Thread. We will Draft Chubb anyway IMO and I am fine with it.
Barry never won a SB either. Emmitt did because he had...a HOF QB, a HOF WR, and what some consider the best OL in the history of the game. They were both great, and I think Barry was the GOAT, but no RB has carried his team to a SB and won it (that I can think of, I may be wrong). Even the GOATs couldn't do it alone. Could Barkley be a piece, of course, but his impact won't be the same as some of the premium positions, like Superman quoted, just not the supply that is needed for the demand.
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They very well could, Browns don't really need him though, they already have a good OL. Every team is different, and as I said in my previous comment, Chubb would make a bigger impact for US, not everyone. I could argue the same would be true for the Giants, however, they seem to have better pass rushing pieces than we do (Vernon mostly).
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32 minutes ago, jshipp23 said:
It's gonna be so funny once the season starts comparing the impact of Chubb vs Barkley on respective teams, career wise period , even 10 years from now..
As long as we have SBs I don't care what they look like. At this point, Chubb probably will have more impact in us getting there than Barkley. No one knows for sure, but pass rush is definitely a bigger weakness of this team than RB is.
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3 hours ago, LJpalmbeacher2 said:
We can get guards in FA and in draft later.
Can't blow a #3 pick on a Guard by drafting him/or trading dpwn and get him then.
You will find one all pro guard in FA and you will pay him a ton more than you will nelson for the next 3-5 years. Plus, like you pointed out earlier, we need more than just one piece on the OL. We get Norwell and Nelson both and we will be solid up front and Luck will be able to operate without being hit nearly as much. I don't see how any position is more impactful than fixing the offensive line this year. I could see an argument for pass rush and taking Chubb, but outside of that, there isn't a bigger need than OL. If we pick up two guards in FA that are solid, then sure, but if not, Nelson would be a great pick and I wouldn't flinch one bit even if we picked him at 3 (which I doubt would happen and would prefer a trade down).
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8 hours ago, LJpalmbeacher2 said:
Going into the draft with the #3 pick and coming out with a Guard is...... well Disappointing to say the least. Even if we trade down and get him and a additional pick is still disappoontong.
Having the #3 pick and NOT able to get a playmaker/game changer is not good. Imo.
Nelson, as good as he may be is still only a Guard. Besides the punter, the next unimpactful position in football.
He will Never touch the ball, never get a first down. Never score a touchdown, never get a Sack. Never make a interception.
Surely adequate Guards can be obtained in FA and later in draft.
I think you VASTLY underestimate a good OL. Guards are part of that equation, especially now days. Now we have a busted QB...because we had a poor OL, ESPECIALLY at RG and RT. If we trade back, I wouldn't be upset at all with Nelson. Protecting Luck has to be number one priority, without him, we won't win games anytime soon.
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9 minutes ago, Ne-Ca-Higher said:
Stop it, you're killing me!
Ask yourself, "when did I think Andrew would start throwing a football in earnest, one year ago?" When did you expect him to be ready to practice last year? Did you think he'd be starting by game 6? ... 8? And you're not at all concerned now because Andrew just told you he isn't planning a second surgery?
You should troll around on all the other NFL fan forums who take it for granted that Andrew is through.
What does it matter what WE think about it? I'm not a doctor nor am I part of any rehab team associated with Andrew Luck. I've had multiple serious surgeries before, two of the same, and each of them took different amounts of time to come back from. Your argument is weak, and I would DEFINITELY not base anything about Andrew Luck on any fan forum, ESPECIALLY outside of the colts lol.
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5 hours ago, jshipp23 said:
Yes Chubb would be a better pass rusher than Anderson most likely..I was just saying Anderson could be good at DE in 4-3 if we go a different direction in draft..I hope we get Okoronkwo or Landry in 2nd, or sign Lawrence or Ansah in free agency...I think other guys we can get at 3 or in tradeback have better potential...If we stay at 3 and Barkley is there you have to take him..I won't back off that, Chubb is riskier and I value RB I know what a great one will mean to us...
I disagree, I don’t think you have to take him and I don’t think you take him. They will have similar grades on each of them most likely, and positional need and weight will come into play, which DE and pass rusher will always outweigh running back. Barkley maybe the slightly better player, but value wise, I go DE/Pass rusher all day in the scenario.
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9 minutes ago, jshipp23 said:
Never said said he was bjorn 2.0 i just said Bjorn had better stats and was defensive player of year and didn't look like he would be a bust either..Anderson is a similar athlete to Bosa when you have 25 more pounds to carry you might be a little slower in speed drills at combine yea...I said Anderson could "lose" weight to play end if you look at my post..I think he can play end at 300 lbs too though just depends..
If you weren't comparing Chubb and Bjorn then what relevance does this comment have: "You people realize Bjorn Werner had better stats coming out than Chubb right?? In 2012 he had 13 sacks, 18 TFL and was voted 2012 Defensive Player of the Year and is similar athletically to Chubb..Why is Chubb such a sure thing?"
There is a pretty big difference in the testing between Bosa and Anderson looking at it. .17 in the 40, .31 in the 3 cone is pretty significant. Even if henry did lose 25 pounds, that's still a lot. And thats saying that Henry has the same pass rushing ability as Bosa (which isn't even close honestly). Henry is a good defensive end, but he doesn't match what our biggest need is: Pass rush. He is not an elite pass rusher, doesn't even have the traits of one. Chubb DOES, and I will bet good money that he out performs Bosa at the combine on at least a few fronts.
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44 minutes ago, jshipp23 said:
He should considering he is 25 lbs lighter..Doesn't mean he is better athlete..That being said, I want another speed rusher too..Chubb isn't a speed rusher though..
You change the subject every time someone uses facts to go against your stance. You want Barkley, and that's fine. But saying that Chubb is Bjorn Werner 2.0 and Anderson is a better athlete than Bosa just looks bad on you. Not trying to be a jerk, but at least look at the stats before throwing some stuff out there.
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6 minutes ago, jshipp23 said:
Also, if HEALTHY, Henry Anderson can play...Some say he won't fit in 4-3, but I see it different..I think he has potential at defensive end...If he loses some weight he could have a Jarad Allen type effect...Not saying he is next Jarad Allen, but I think he has potential to be...He also is position versatile can play DT and DE depending on situation..
He is not the pass rusher Chubb is, make no mistake. He is better suited inside at DT honestly, and maybe a 1/2 down DE against the run on the strong side in the 4-3. I think Henry is a gamer, love him, but his biggest strengths will not help our pass rush like Chubb will.
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6 minutes ago, jshipp23 said:
He had better stats in college than Chubb on a top team in a top conference...They are similar athletically..If Chubb tests well at combine I'll change my mind....This is a very weak class for defensive ends period....Last year Chubb very well could have been 3rd or 4th ranked pass rusher coming out and a mid first round pick..
He had better stats on a better team, which is an even worse argument (which is better stats ONE year). His stats were about the same, didn't have more TFL than Chubb and didn't do it two years in a row like Chubb did. I don't care if you think it's a weak class or not, an elite player is an elite player, period. Your stats argument failed so now it's about the weak class, which fails the test as well. He (Chubb) is (by most accounts) bigger, longer, more consistent, stronger, better against the run, and more agile than Bjorn ever was. He also passed a guy that was taken at number 1 in the draft (Mario Williams) in sacks at his school with less talent than Werner had around him.
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7 minutes ago, jshipp23 said:
You people realize Bjorn Werner had better stats coming out than Chubb right?? In 2012 he had 13 sacks, 18 TFL and was voted 2012 Defensive Player of the Year and is similar athletically to Chubb..Why is Chubb such a sure thing?
Did you realize that there were 27 RBs in D1 NCAA that had more rushing yards than barkley last year? Sounds absurd to compare stats now, doesn't it? Additionally, Werner was never anywhere NEAR the prospect Chubb was (not to mention was put in a 3-4 where he was definitely not a fit). He didn't have nearly the burst or ability to bend the edge that Chubb has. More than just combine stats and production with some of these guys.
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I would go Chubb over Barkley. I could argue and say I would go Nelson over Barkley, too. Nelson is the closest thing to a can't miss prospect in this draft as there is. Hard to draft a G at 3, but elite talent is elite. That being said, Chubb seems to be the pick for me. We are transitioning and have no starter lined up at the other DE spot in the 4-3. It's a natural fit for Chubb, and he is an elite talent just as Barkley is. I look at value when I look at the picks. Can I find a DE close to Chubb's impact in the 2nd? Probably not. Can I find a RB with close to Barkley's impact in the high 2nd? History tells me I can probably wait until the 3rd or even 4th to find an impact running back. Philly ran a RBBC backfield, so I wouldn't be surprised if we do too.
Best case scenario, trade back a few picks, get one of the following and add a second and forth rounder:
1. Chubb
2. Nelson
3. Fitzpatrick
4. Edmunds
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So many unanswered questions about how the roster will look and schemes, not to mention a few kinda key injuries *cough Luck cough cough*. I can't even begin to give a record based on the current landscape, however, I'm like Superman on my take. We blew 8-9 second half leads last year. If we had a more disciplined approach with even a slightly better set of adjustments at halftime, we could have won at least half of those games (lets just say 4). That puts us at 8-8 with no Luck, a wreck of an offensive line, a QB that was thrown in the fire, and a tired (and somewhat injured) defense.
What I would like to see is big time progression in our game planning, personnel groupings, game management (tempo, etc), and accountability. If you can fix those, I think a lot of the issues we had with blowing leads and untimely penalties/turnovers go away. With a good to great FA/draft and a healthy Luck we very well could have a playoff team and an outside shot at being a legit contender. That being said, things would have to work out perfect, and the track record for that is not very realistic at this point.
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There is always a chance, however, I do think he will be a good back in the league. I would pump the brakes a little on the whole Adrian Peterson talk though, I don't think he has the tenacity that Peterson has. Peterson seems to finish EVERY single run, he plays like he truly believes not a single person can take him down one on one and happens to be a phenomenal athlete. Barkley doesn't seem to have that mentality, he is a very shifty runner with damn good vision. I think he will do great. That being said, I would still draft Chubb and Fitzpatrick over him only because they are not far off from a talent standpoint and their position weighs heavily for me. Nelson is by far the most "can't miss" prospect in the draft IMO. Any of those 4 players I would be thrilled to see wearing the horseshoe!
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29 minutes ago, LJpalmbeacher2 said:
By trading down to get him we will be missing out on a 'Blue Chip' prospect. Do you think he's worth missing out on a Barkley, Chubb etc.. type of player?
Reason I ask is I haven't done much research yet and don't know about him.
If you're asking if I'm willing to go straight up Chubb vs. Edmunds, then at this point, no, I'm not. Mostly because of position weight and I think Chubb is an elite prospect (I do believe Edmunds is borderline elite, even with him playing ILB). However, my point would be that would I take Edmunds, a 2018 second rounder and a 2019 1st rounder over Chubb? Depending on the team we trade with, I would be very interested in that trade. There is no gaurantee anyone is a can't miss (Barkley and Nelson are probably as close as it gets). It's all about value at the end of the day and how many shots you get at hitting on a prospect. We are not to a place where we need one player to fix our issues, so I will take a little drop off, still get a very good player at a position of need, and have a few chances in the 2nd (2018) and 1st (2019) to hit on players. I will reserve complete judgement until I see the testing at the combine and watch some more film, but Edmunds has some very intriguing athletic traits and can be a mainstay at multiple LB spots for us in the 4-3.
While it might look good on paper, if Luck is healthy enough for someone to sell the farm for him, he's good enough to get us to the promise land! I wouldn't do it, and I think fans would revolt if this were to happen. Sure, you have a bunch of great prospects, but you have a known top 10 QB (some even say top 5) and you trade him away? This is the league of the QB, you can't let him go, that's the ONE advantage we have over most other teams...a franchise QB.
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I'm not all that high on Ward either, but outside of Fitzpatrick he is considered the best CB in the draft. I could see smith here, he is in the Deion Jones mold at MLB and could be that same type of impact player on a defense. He's a little undersized, but a lot of the LBs now days are, especially in the 4-3. I would hope for Nelson, but highly doubtful he's around at 11. Edmunds might not be either depending on what he does at the combine.