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We don’t know all of the details yet. But if it’s true, it just increases AB’s stupidity
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3 hours ago, 2006Coltsbestever said:
I expect an AFC Title Game appearance but the Pats aren't going anywhere and KC is really good.
Patriots will be the favorite once again. Just a matter of having to beat them
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17 minutes ago, Superman said:
That's your prerogative. And if it makes you feel better about that choice to say 'he just finds a way to win,' that's also your prerogative.
But I don't think that claim holds up to scrutiny, so in a discussion about what makes QBs great, I'm gonna pick at it. I push back because I think QBs -- and Brady in particular -- get too much credit for postseason success. In the postseason, the Patriots win 60-70% of the games when Brady is average, or worse. They are able to win playoff games against good teams with average QBing, or worse. Saying 'he just wins' is a misrepresentation.
But whatever reason you have for preferring Brady in any situation, there's going to be a solid basis for it. Brady has plenty of clutch moments and big games, so wanting him when the game is on the line is reasonable.
Great teams find ways to win. That’s the Patriots. They’ve proven that during this 18 year run. It’s something we’ll never again see in the NFL
26 minutes ago, 18to87 said:I don't necessarily disagree with you but his success in the clutch has been seriously influenced by luck. The KC game, the Falcons dropping an INT that is somehow caught by Edelman, Panthers kicking out of bounds on the kickoff, etc.
I don't have the exact numbers; however, there are some interesting numbers out there for Manning and Brees where they scored to take the lead or tie very late in playoff games and still lost. This type of thing simply does not happen to Brady (except for '06
) which brings it back to the coaching and the team around the QB.
Some luck is always involved with great teams
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Professional sports athletes have to be careful. There’s so many gold diggers out there
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I definitely expect to win the AFC South. That’s a must. We’ll see on everything else
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1 hour ago, Superman said:
It's wrong, so let's stop presenting it as a legitimate talking point.
This is what @2006Coltsbestever was arguing against earlier. Just because the team wins a game doesn't mean the QB played well or deserves credit for the win, and the opposite is true as well.
Edit: And it's not that I think you're knocking the team accomplishment. It's that you're giving credit to one player for what a team is able to do. It's intellectually lazy, and just because it's become widely accepted doesn't mean we can't do better.
Bottom line is that when the chips are on the table, I’m taking Brady as my QB
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4 minutes ago, Superman said:
So he's the GOAT because he takes pay cuts?? That's a stretch, also, and I'm pretty sure you don't mean to present that as a legitimate argument.
He didn't 'find a way to win' yesterday. He benefited from a great defensive performance, which has been typical of his entire postseason career.
He didn't 'find a way to win' in the AFCCG. He lucked out due to a cheap alignment penalty, and went from throwing the game ending pick to winning in OT, over a matter of six inches. (By the way, big credit to Brady for the OT drive, three big third down throws; and he has plenty of signature clutch drives in the playoffs, so I'm not acting like he doesn't know how to come up big.)
He didn't 'find a way to win' against Seattle; the Seahawks gave the game away. Etc., etc.
And that's the other thing: They benefit from more blown plays, close calls, awkward penalties, random turnovers, etc., than any other team I can remember. That's not to take anything away from the Pats or from Brady, but when people start saying stuff like 'he just finds a way to win,' it becomes relevant. More often than not, other teams just find a way to lose, and Brady is the beneficiary of that.
I never said he was the GOAT because of taking pay cuts. You seem to think I’m knocking the team accomplishment of the Patriots. I’ve never once said they’re not a complete team. It’s not just Brady winning games. They win as a team. However, he’s the QB. Whether right or wrong, it’s the most scrutinized position in all of sports. All I’ve said is that when the chips are on the line, I’m taking Brady as my QB
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7 minutes ago, Superman said:
W/L record is a team stat, not a QB stat.
That's a stretch of epic proportions. There were six minutes left in the game, and the defense made the plays to win the game. On the follow up drive, Brady didn't attempt a single pass.
He did precious little in that game. But you're acting like 'he just wins,' and that's bogus. Wins -- especially in the playoffs -- are a team accomplishment.
When I say “he just wins,” I mean he finds ways to win. No one has ever denied he has the team around him. Brady takes pay cuts to make sure he has a team around him. He knows how important it is to have a complete team around him. My main point is that when the chips are on the table, I’m taking Brady. That’s it
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12 minutes ago, Superman said:
No he doesn't.
Yes he does. 30-12 as a starting QB in the postseason. No one is taking away from the team accomplishment. Yesterday was the most dominant defensive performance we’ve ever seen in a SB. The game ball most certainly goes to the defense. But just like so many other postseason games, Brady orchestrated a GW drive. When the chips are on the table, there is no QB I’m taking over him
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2 minutes ago, 2006Coltsbestever said:
If someone presented me a list of:
Brady 1
Montana 2
Peyton 3
I would have no problem with that.
I would concur with that
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Both Brady and Peyton have great regular season accolades. What I think separates them is the postseason. Brady just wins games in January/February. He’s 30-12 in the postseason. He also has a GW drive in every SB win. That’s just otherworldly
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1 minute ago, 2006Coltsbestever said:
I thought you did say it was rigged, maybe it was someone else so if it wasn't you I apologize. I know you were pee'd off though
I do not feel like going back through 12,000 posts 
Sports used to dictate my mood. That’s no longer the case. Good thing too
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1 hour ago, 2006Coltsbestever said:
but you would hate if the Cubs won it every year
being a Whitesox fan. Cubs won 1 WS in 108 years and you were ticked calling it rigged, then in their quest to Repeat you were ticked again when they beat the Nationals to advance to the NLCS. You even quit posting on the Baseball Thread. Yet you are fine with the Pats winning. Strange to me.
I was upset. However, I never said life sucked because of it. I never said that 2016 WS was rigged. You’re reaching
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I don’t hate the Patriots at all. There’s no rivalry anymore. What that team has done for the last 18 years is simply incredible. Life certainly doesn’t suck because they win SB championships. That’s a ridiculous attitude. OP is way off on this one
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The right person won MVP. Edelman is unbelievable
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Julian Edelman is MVP. That guy is a big time performer. When push came to shove though, Brady drove them down for the GW drive. Patriots deserved it
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Patriots offense has been inept all night. But when the chips are on the table, Brady puts together a drive
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2 hours ago, 2006Coltsbestever said:
I have no problem putting Brady as the GOAT but the same people that do, have to put Emmitt Smith as the GOAT RB. Otherwise they are contradicting why they think Brady is the GOAT QB. Peyton is in the top 3 at worse so I am fine with that.
Emmitt Smith is really good. How we view the RB position is definitely different than the QB position though. I don’t really have any more thoughts than that
2 hours ago, Superman said:I don't really agree with either of these posts.
Brady doesn't win games, the Pats do. He's a big part of that, but he's not dragging that team to the SB every year. He has a great team around him, he plays for the best coach in the history of the NFL, and he gets lucky a lot. But teams win games, especially in the playoffs.
And I think the weakest rationalization every is 'every team cheats.' The Patriots have been caught and penalized by the league on multiple occasions. I don't want to hear that every team cheats. Prove it.
So make those arguments. I don't really see how that relates in a thread about QBs.
You really think the Patriots make most of these SB appearances without Brady?
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It’s the bias against the Patriots that propels the hate. Every team cheats. It’s just whether it becomes public. Peyton was a great QB. No one can ever deny that. But he’s not better than Brady. That’s just a fact
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Exactly right Superman. Brady just keeps adding to his accomplishments. The guy has the most decorated QB career in NFL history. He just wins games. He’s the reason that team is in the SB almost every year. If I need one drive to win a game, I’m taking him all day. Not a doubt in my mind
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20 minutes ago, crazycolt1 said:
Just who are you to question who is a true football fan?
It’s like any sport. A true college basketball fan wouldn’t miss the national championship game. A true college football fan wouldn’t miss the national championship game. A true NBA fan wouldn’t miss the Finals. You get my drift
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Of course I’ll be watching the SB. It’s the SB. A true football fan wouldn’t miss any SB. Do I expect Brady to win a 6th championship? Yes I do
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Jealousy is love and hate at the same time
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AD was never going to stay with the Pelicans. I’m still in shock that PG stayed with the Thunder. But I have more respect for him staying there
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I do not feel like going back through 12,000 posts 
Colts are signing Justin Houston [Merge]
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Love it. There’s the pass rusher. Along with Funchess and Geathers, this has been a successful offseason